The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2)

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Post#201 » by SideshowBob » Wed May 25, 2016 4:19 am

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Well JByou got your wish GS isnt close to a GOAT team

But maybe OKC is. ;) Or rather that they could be a 2001 lakers type of team.


I imagine Bulls fans are especially happy with this turn of events.


Or Lakers fans.

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#202 » by te887848 » Wed May 25, 2016 4:19 am

One of the all-time disappointing seasons. Well, looks like GOAT peak is out of the question for Curry barring a miracle comeback. Obviously the Warriors aren't the GOAT team either.

I'd settle for top 5-7 peak perhaps, and comfortably taking Jordan and LeBron's best over Curry after seeing his horrific play this playoffs.
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Post#203 » by RSCD3_ » Wed May 25, 2016 4:21 am

Sinant wrote:
ThaRegul8r wrote:
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Well JByou got your wish GS isnt close to a GOAT team

But maybe OKC is. ;) Or rather that they could be a 2001 lakers type of team.


I imagine Bulls fans are especially happy with this turn of events.


Or Lakers fans.

Shaq is safely secure as the 2nd best peak of all time.


Yeah 2000 shaq is safe, I actually have him as my #1 GOAT peak
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#204 » by 2klegend » Wed May 25, 2016 4:26 am

'91 Jordan, '09 Lebron, '00 Shaq were DOMINANT in the regular season and the playoff. I have to emphasize that word in capital for people to understand the difference. When we talk of GOAT peak, people have to bare that in mind.
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Post#205 » by JeepCSC » Wed May 25, 2016 4:26 am

RSCD3_ wrote:I wonder how much of curry's injury changed things, because in theory a player like him shouldnt have much of a fall off frm RS play and I wouldnt call him a fraud yet, having him defend westbrook while not 100% is also a terrible idea.


Maybe, though it's not like this would be the first season people wondered about a playoff drop for Curry.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#206 » by bigboi » Wed May 25, 2016 4:28 am

te887848 wrote:One of the all-time disappointing seasons. Well, looks like GOAT peak is out of the question for Curry barring a miracle comeback. Obviously the Warriors aren't the GOAT team either.

I'd settle for top 5-7 peak perhaps, and comfortably taking Jordan and LeBron's best over Curry after seeing his horrific play this playoffs.


Wait, you're talking GOAT peak in general? Not even just offense? Yea, that's nonsense. Curry's defense isn't good enough to be a GOAT peak
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#207 » by 2klegend » Wed May 25, 2016 4:37 am

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te887848 wrote:One of the all-time disappointing seasons. Well, looks like GOAT peak is out of the question for Curry barring a miracle comeback. Obviously the Warriors aren't the GOAT team either.

I'd settle for top 5-7 peak perhaps, and comfortably taking Jordan and LeBron's best over Curry after seeing his horrific play this playoffs.


Wait, you're talking GOAT peak in general? Not even just offense? Yea, that's nonsense. Curry's defense isn't good enough to be a GOAT peak

Obviously he meant offensive top 5 GOAT peak. A list that include MJ, Lebron, Shaq, Nash, Magic..

As for as GOAT peak which include both offensive and defensive end, these guys are clearly above Curry. MJ, Lebron, Shaq, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, and possibly Bird.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#208 » by GSP » Wed May 25, 2016 4:41 am

te887848 wrote:One of the all-time disappointing seasons. Well, looks like GOAT peak is out of the question for Curry barring a miracle comeback. Obviously the Warriors aren't the GOAT team either.

I'd settle for top 5-7 peak perhaps, and comfortably taking Jordan and LeBron's best over Curry after seeing his horrific play this playoffs.


lol hes not top 10 anymore bro. He was pacing for it IMO. I cant see how youd take Steph over peak Bird/Magic at this point.

Maybe u shouldnt overreact to saying Steph is far above Hakeem like u did in the regular season and wait till the playoffs are done next time.
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Post#209 » by JordansBulls » Wed May 25, 2016 4:44 am

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Sinant wrote:
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I imagine Bulls fans are especially happy with this turn of events.


Or Lakers fans.

Shaq is safely secure as the 2nd best peak of all time.


Yeah 2000 shaq is safe, I actually have him as my #1 GOAT peak

Shaq 2000 won because the other team choked. Tough to be the #1 peak all time when you in a game 7 and down 15 at home in the 4th.
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Post#210 » by Sinant » Wed May 25, 2016 4:57 am

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ThaRegul8r wrote:
I imagine Bulls fans are especially happy with this turn of events.


Or Lakers fans.

Shaq is safely secure as the 2nd best peak of all time.


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Post#211 » by therealbig3 » Wed May 25, 2016 5:51 am

It seems like the only way GS and Curry can redeem themselves is if they win the next 3 games and pull off the comeback. Not only that, Curry would need to play awesome.

If that happens (which I don't think will btw), does Curry jump back into GOAT peak conversation (aka top 10 or so)? I mean, wouldn't it be pretty much exactly the same situation that 2013 LeBron went through in the Finals? And he's almost universally in the top 3-5 GOAT peak conversation, if not the GOAT for some.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#212 » by bondom34 » Wed May 25, 2016 5:54 am

I still don't count them out at all. Only need 1 win in OKC.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#213 » by SideshowBob » Wed May 25, 2016 6:00 am

therealbig3 wrote:It seems like the only way GS and Curry can redeem themselves is if they win the next 3 games and pull off the comeback. Not only that, Curry would need to play awesome.

If that happens (which I don't think will btw), does Curry jump back into GOAT peak conversation (aka top 10 or so)? I mean, wouldn't it be pretty much exactly the same situation that 2013 LeBron went through in the Finals? And he's almost universally in the top 3-5 GOAT peak conversation, if not the GOAT for some.


I had Curry in the top 4ish convo (I'll pull up the posts tomorrow) in the RS. The main reason his stock has dropped for me since then is the missed time - a +7 player missing out on ~1.75 playoff rounds would really hurt his teams title chances.

The underwhelming games don't do much for me, nor do games in the opposite direction (or better put, I want to take more from them than just them being good/bad games). If a game/series exposes a fundamental weakness in a player's game that I didn't notice before, or if some new positive trait is made clear, THAT affects my evaluation.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#214 » by therealbig3 » Wed May 25, 2016 6:07 am

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therealbig3 wrote:It seems like the only way GS and Curry can redeem themselves is if they win the next 3 games and pull off the comeback. Not only that, Curry would need to play awesome.

If that happens (which I don't think will btw), does Curry jump back into GOAT peak conversation (aka top 10 or so)? I mean, wouldn't it be pretty much exactly the same situation that 2013 LeBron went through in the Finals? And he's almost universally in the top 3-5 GOAT peak conversation, if not the GOAT for some.


I had Curry in the top 4ish convo (I'll pull up the posts tomorrow) in the RS. The main reason his stock has dropped for me since then is the missed time - a +7 player missing out on ~1.75 playoff rounds would really hurt his teams title chances.

The underwhelming games don't do much for me, nor do games in the opposite direction (or better put, I want to take more from them than just them being good/bad games). If a game/series exposes a fundamental weakness in a player's game that I didn't notice before, or if some new positive trait is made clear, THAT affects my evaluation.


So the fact that OKC is able to force Curry into these underwhelming games doesn't reveal anything new about Curry to you? If you were aware of how an athletic team with length would be able to make him look so pedestrian, how was he top 4ish for you in the first place (and I'm assuming GOAT offensive peak)? Because regardless of defense, players like Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem, etc would be able to exert major impact anyway. It feels like Curry isn't having much of an impact out there, with his jumper abandoning him, his TOs being a real issue, and his defense suffering.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#215 » by GSP » Wed May 25, 2016 6:25 am

therealbig3 wrote:It seems like the only way GS and Curry can redeem themselves is if they win the next 3 games and pull off the comeback. Not only that, Curry would need to play awesome.

If that happens (which I don't think will btw), does Curry jump back into GOAT peak conversation (aka top 10 or so)? I mean, wouldn't it be pretty much exactly the same situation that 2013 LeBron went through in the Finals? And he's almost universally in the top 3-5 GOAT peak conversation, if not the GOAT for some.


Lebron still played great defense that series and is still a clearly better playmaker than Steph IMO, plus had a big impact on the glass. Honestly outside of a quarter Steph hasnt done a whole lot which is pretty damning. And on defense he has been awful. He didnt look good against Mccollum/Blazers on defense either. Honestly one has to wonder how his offense wouldve performed last postseason had Warriors not played so many injured backcourts.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#216 » by Dr Positivity » Wed May 25, 2016 6:52 am

therealbig3 wrote:
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therealbig3 wrote:It seems like the only way GS and Curry can redeem themselves is if they win the next 3 games and pull off the comeback. Not only that, Curry would need to play awesome.

If that happens (which I don't think will btw), does Curry jump back into GOAT peak conversation (aka top 10 or so)? I mean, wouldn't it be pretty much exactly the same situation that 2013 LeBron went through in the Finals? And he's almost universally in the top 3-5 GOAT peak conversation, if not the GOAT for some.


I had Curry in the top 4ish convo (I'll pull up the posts tomorrow) in the RS. The main reason his stock has dropped for me since then is the missed time - a +7 player missing out on ~1.75 playoff rounds would really hurt his teams title chances.

The underwhelming games don't do much for me, nor do games in the opposite direction (or better put, I want to take more from them than just them being good/bad games). If a game/series exposes a fundamental weakness in a player's game that I didn't notice before, or if some new positive trait is made clear, THAT affects my evaluation.


So the fact that OKC is able to force Curry into these underwhelming games doesn't reveal anything new about Curry to you? If you were aware of how an athletic team with length would be able to make him look so pedestrian, how was he top 4ish for you in the first place (and I'm assuming GOAT offensive peak)? Because regardless of defense, players like Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem, etc would be able to exert major impact anyway. It feels like Curry isn't having much of an impact out there, with his jumper abandoning him, his TOs being a real issue, and his defense suffering.


I'm pretty confident saying that Curry isn't 100%
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#217 » by GSP » Wed May 25, 2016 7:12 am

bondom34 wrote:I still don't count them out at all. Only need 1 win in OKC.


We saw what happened in game 2. It was an even game and Iggy made a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) shot that closed out the quarter on a great run. Steph went supernova in the 3rd and it was over

all it takes is 1 quarter and its over for Okc. This series is far from over. They can still have defensive issues (Dallas game 2, Spurs game 1, Gs game 2) that balloon
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#218 » by therealbig3 » Wed May 25, 2016 7:19 am

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therealbig3 wrote:It seems like the only way GS and Curry can redeem themselves is if they win the next 3 games and pull off the comeback. Not only that, Curry would need to play awesome.

If that happens (which I don't think will btw), does Curry jump back into GOAT peak conversation (aka top 10 or so)? I mean, wouldn't it be pretty much exactly the same situation that 2013 LeBron went through in the Finals? And he's almost universally in the top 3-5 GOAT peak conversation, if not the GOAT for some.


Lebron still played great defense that series and is still a clearly better playmaker than Steph IMO, plus had a big impact on the glass. Honestly outside of a quarter Steph hasnt done a whole lot which is pretty damning. And on defense he has been awful. He didnt look good against Mccollum/Blazers on defense either. Honestly one has to wonder how his offense wouldve performed last postseason had Warriors not played so many injured backcourts.


I'm not saying Curry has been as good as 2013 LeBron in the first half of the Finals, but LeBron was able to redeem himself by playing well at the end of those Finals and leading his team to a win. If Curry is somehow able to do the same, then why can't he be back in the conversation? 2 bad games shouldn't definitively eliminate anyone from anything if they're able to bounce back from it.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#219 » by Domejandro » Wed May 25, 2016 7:24 am

People love to sensationalize immediate events, but I still maintain that Stephen Curry had the greatest Regular season of all-time, he was absolutely unbelievable.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2) 

Post#220 » by GSP » Wed May 25, 2016 7:38 am

therealbig3 wrote:
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therealbig3 wrote:It seems like the only way GS and Curry can redeem themselves is if they win the next 3 games and pull off the comeback. Not only that, Curry would need to play awesome.

If that happens (which I don't think will btw), does Curry jump back into GOAT peak conversation (aka top 10 or so)? I mean, wouldn't it be pretty much exactly the same situation that 2013 LeBron went through in the Finals? And he's almost universally in the top 3-5 GOAT peak conversation, if not the GOAT for some.


Lebron still played great defense that series and is still a clearly better playmaker than Steph IMO, plus had a big impact on the glass. Honestly outside of a quarter Steph hasnt done a whole lot which is pretty damning. And on defense he has been awful. He didnt look good against Mccollum/Blazers on defense either. Honestly one has to wonder how his offense wouldve performed last postseason had Warriors not played so many injured backcourts.


I'm not saying Curry has been as good as 2013 LeBron in the first half of the Finals, but LeBron was able to redeem himself by playing well at the end of those Finals and leading his team to a win. If Curry is somehow able to do the same, then why can't he be back in the conversation? 2 bad games shouldn't definitively eliminate anyone from anything if they're able to bounce back from it.


Well u also have to consider the games Steph missed. Ppl have different criteria but missing the amount of games he did puts him far away from Goat discussions to me.

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