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Post#201 » by Owly » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:12 am

Dr Positivity wrote:LA Bird could get some decent players but I don't think it'd be enough to really compete at this stage

What, picking the full team at this point? Getting 6 picks and joining for the last two rounds. And depends on definition of compete. And depends on your preference for team construction given most top tier offensive engine superstar engines are gone (and those left are likely flawed in some way-though you could do a team that way). But if you like more balanced team or think defense is an easier fit and think strong defense all the way across the board is the way to go (and don't think the game is going to be too modern in terms of style and rules or that modern play is better) I can see a competitive deep team.

The Gilmore pick punches out one of the top 3 "name" centers still on the board (and one probably isn't going because of cost) at the time of LA Bird's claim (at least in terms of established historical types, though still many options at the position, including other guys otoh I think peak higher, certainly boxscore NBA-wise) ... don't want to allude too much but there's been enough talent for a really good team still to be available.
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Post#202 » by Odinn21 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:41 am

Anyone else has an Excel sheet to keep track of picks those aren't declared by their seasons / fga numbers to see how much space to see how those people will focus on subs? :D :lol:
The issue with per75 numbers;
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.
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Post#203 » by MisterHibachi » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:52 am

There's a modern centre still on the board that I'm shocked hasn't been taken yet.
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Post#204 » by Doctor MJ » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:23 am

Odinn21 wrote:Anyone else has an Excel sheet to keep track of picks those aren't declared by their seasons / fga numbers to see how much space to see how those people will focus on subs? :D :lol:


I'll make something now.

EDIT: Here ya go.

PC Board Post-Merger Draft, Rosters Sheet

I just added a sheet to the existing spreadsheet file.

Lemme know if anyone has questions. You shouldn't have to do any math logic, just type in in your area in the format I've done and your team FGA will tally.
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Post#205 » by Joey Wheeler » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:45 am

Some interesting teams. Though I think people are generally overrating the importance of fit; yes it's important, but in the NBA/basketball in general overwhelming talent tends to prevail. There's at least one currently active player I have in mind who's so much more talented than many of the role guys already selected that I'd have selected him for sure regardless of any fit considerations.

And of course there's Jordan getting picked 8th. Can't see any scenario where it's advantageous to have say Steve Nash on your team rather than Michael Jordan, regardless of how the rest of the team is constructed.
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Post#206 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:51 am

Joey Wheeler wrote:Some interesting teams. Though I think people are generally overrating the importance of fit; yes it's important, but in the NBA/basketball in general overwhelming talent tends to prevail. There's at least one currently active player I have in mind who's so much more talented than many of the role guys already selected that I'd have selected him for sure regardless of any fit considerations.

And of course there's Jordan getting picked 8th. Can't see any scenario where it's advantageous to have say Steve Nash on your team rather than Michael Jordan, regardless of how the rest of the team is constructed.

I'm not sure who you're referring to, but keep in mind the FGA limitation for this game.

MJ at eighth I don't really have an answer for. :lol:
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Post#207 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:08 am

RE: Nash and others ahead of Mike. I think a lot of people just wanted to build a team around a specific guy. I love watching what Doc is doing. I could have taken Mike myself as the last guy to pass on him, but frankly it felt cliche and plus I'm just not a Jordan fan and wanted to do something else.

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Post#208 » by Doctor MJ » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:12 am

Joey Wheeler wrote:Some interesting teams. Though I think people are generally overrating the importance of fit; yes it's important, but in the NBA/basketball in general overwhelming talent tends to prevail. There's at least one currently active player I have in mind who's so much more talented than many of the role guys already selected that I'd have selected him for sure regardless of any fit considerations.

And of course there's Jordan getting picked 8th. Can't see any scenario where it's advantageous to have say Steve Nash on your team rather than Michael Jordan, regardless of how the rest of the team is constructed.


Well, I'll say up front that I had no expectation I could convince voters that a Nash-led team would win the title. I'm certainly hoping the truth is otherwise, but the way I see basketball is out of alignment with most people, so I'm going to try to just have fun with it.

You should know up front that that this is a FGA-limited league. That means that whatever your ranking of players would typically be, the guys who shoot more are now less valuable, and the guys who shoot less are more valuable. Jordan shot about twice as much as Nash, depending on the year, and so the question is whether you can use those extra FGAs on other teammates to make up for the edge Jordan has as an all around player.

If you say the answer is "No", again, that's what I expect most would believe so I get it, but I might ask the question:

How big of a FGA teammate handicap would Jordan need to have before it would be too much? If you can't imagine an answer, you're not thinking it through with enough depth.

Now, part of what I find interesting here is the premise that I believe to be truth:

I think Nash led the most dominant run of offenses in NBA history and did so by being at the bleeding edge of a paradigm we now understand he and his team could have gone further with. There's therefore no reason why I can't have the best offense in this league.

If you scoff at that, well, then I was never going to convince you in the first place.

Accepting the premise, the question becomes defense. How do you build the best defense around Nash so as to mitigate his weaknesses (and take advantage of his strengths, which exist as well). Whether it is "good enough" to win the championship here or not, it's an interesting challenge to just see how good you can make the team.

Last thing, about "fit". I built my team knowing how I wanted my players to play within the scheme and how they would function in tandem with one another on the court...which is what fit is about. When you talk about fit dismissively, to me that's like hearing you say that none of that is really factoring in to how you're deciding who would win, which seems like a problem.

Now, I think the truth is that you're imagining it how you imagine it and I'm imagining it how I imagine it, and it's okay that we do it differently. I'll tell you though I think you're naive if you think that just throwing talent on to the court and having them play bunched like 1960s era grapes is going to give you a better offense than one built around state-of-the-art paradigms with the ability to choose from all the guys of the past 40+ years.
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Post#209 » by Odinn21 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:20 am

Joey Wheeler wrote:Some interesting teams. Though I think people are generally overrating the importance of fit; yes it's important, but in the NBA/basketball in general overwhelming talent tends to prevail. There's at least one currently active player I have in mind who's so much more talented than many of the role guys already selected that I'd have selected him for sure regardless of any fit considerations.

And of course there's Jordan getting picked 8th. Can't see any scenario where it's advantageous to have say Steve Nash on your team rather than Michael Jordan, regardless of how the rest of the team is constructed.

You're forgetting the fga limit.
MJ's post preferable season is his 1990-91 which he averaged 22.4 fga. That's more than one fourth for a single player in a 8 player draft. Nash's 2004-05 season is nearly half of that 22.4. The person who picked was very fortunate for being able to get Stockton at that spot and that made that team work, very low fga usage with insane output. I can't think of a better guard to pair up with Jordan. Especially for that cost.
The issue with per75 numbers;
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.
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Post#210 » by Doctor MJ » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:30 am

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Texas Chuck wrote:Run of great picks. I thought Dame might slide to me too.... But I have a guy I really really want that I was deathly afraid of Doc picking so here's hoping he gets to me. But that was the guy I was most concerned about so fingers crossed.


Intriguing. I look forward to find out who that guy was, and I hope he falls to you.


He fell to me. :D


Awesome! It makes sense there'd be a place in this league for Duncan Robinson.

His emergence this year is one of those things that just really makes clear that we're not at Peak 3 yet, and that every competent NBA franchise needs to be trying to groom prospects systematically in their minor leagues.
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Post#211 » by Jaivl » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:30 pm

Changed the "Rosters" tab so it updates automatically. Do your thing, guys!
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Post#212 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:26 pm

Narigo wrote:.

I believe you can pick now.
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Post#213 » by Dutchball97 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:05 pm

Doesn't Ardee still get about an hour to pick?
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Post#214 » by Doctor MJ » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:02 pm

Jaivl wrote:Changed the "Rosters" tab so it updates automatically. Do your thing, guys!


Thanks Jaivl!

(Y'all still need to actually pick your seasons and fill out the FGA thought.)
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Post#215 » by Colbinii » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:02 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
Jaivl wrote:Changed the "Rosters" tab so it updates automatically. Do your thing, guys!


Thanks Jaivl!

(Y'all still need to actually pick your seasons and fill out the FGA thought.)


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Post#216 » by Dr Positivity » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:56 pm

SHAQ32 wrote:You have a second pick to make
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Post#217 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:16 pm

I'm always wary of picking him given his post-Jazz career, but peak Deron was a monster. Happy to get him there, by PG options weren't looking great otherwise.
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Post#218 » by Odinn21 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:26 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:I'm always wary of picking him given his post-Jazz career, but peak Deron was a monster. Happy to get him there, by PG options weren't looking great otherwise.

Yeah, great catch right there. Great playmaker. Always a threat from the three range. My only knock on him is he was more turnover prone than his peers. Well at least worse than CP3, the two were the up and coming PGs at the same time.
Though it looks like you'll have to go from 1996 Robinson to 1999 Robinson if you are determined to get the Jazz era Deron.
2010 Deron 13.9 fga, 1992 Buck 7.0 fga, with your current selections and these two, you're already at 84.8.
The issue with per75 numbers;
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.
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Post#219 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:29 pm

Odinn21 wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:I'm always wary of picking him given his post-Jazz career, but peak Deron was a monster. Happy to get him there, by PG options weren't looking great otherwise.

Yeah, great catch right there. Great playmaker. Always a threat from the three range. My only knock on him is he was more turnover prone than his peers. Well at least worse than CP3, the two were the up and coming PGs at the same time.
Though it looks like you'll have to go from 1996 Robinson to 1999 Robinson if you are determined to get the Jazz era Deron.
2010 Deron 13.9 fga, 1992 Buck 7.0 fga, with your current selections and these two, you're already at 84.8.

I'm using 2008 Deron who was 13.6 FGA, and switching McMillan to 1996 which saves me another 1.1.

If I need more I can use 1992 DPOY Robinson.
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Post#220 » by Odinn21 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:32 pm

O_6 wrote:I'm in the mood for some Cornbread

I think I'm in love with this pick.
I was having very hard times between getting him and not getting him. Felt like the way my team progressed was different and chose not to.
But the team you have, it's sure that they are gonna play real hard. Scottie and Cornbread, a match made in heavens.
The issue with per75 numbers;
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.

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