2020-21 NBA Season Discussion

NinjaSheppard · Post #201 » by **NinjaSheppard** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:09 pm

Keep in mind that is a hit piece from the perspective of the front office and former employees. I am sure a large part of it is true but it is definitely one sided.

It is also strange to see a team publish a hit piece before they trade the guy. It is usually after.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #202 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:56 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30528130/james-harden-houston-rockets-breaking-point

Nothing in here was all that surprising to me which makes me perplexed why so many lay the lion's share of fault at the feet of Fertita. It was clearly Harden who was the ultimate decision maker on all the major moves that the Rockets made.

Honestly my mans just living life lol

"He'll go party and come back with a 50 point triple double lmfao"

Peregrine01 · Post #203 » by **Peregrine01** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:02 pm

NinjaSheppard wrote:Keep in mind that is a hit piece from the perspective of the front office and former employees. I am sure a large part of it is true but it is definitely one sided.

It is also strange to see a team publish a hit piece before they trade the guy. It is usually after.

Well, the piece did lay the ultimate blame on front office for enabling that kind of behavior.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #204 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:44 pm

The lakers are looking like they might do something with switching between man and zone mid possession

It could be gamechanging lol

MyUniBroDavis · Post #205 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:51 pm

“One of Paul's biggest beefs, sources said, was that Harden basically opted not to participate in the Rockets' offense when the ball wasn't in his hands, sometimes barely stepping over half court while spectating when Paul had the ball.”

If thats trye that completely changes my opinion on him as a player ngl, considering their offensive playoff struggles, even 2017 (their D just went off) and we kind of saw vs the lakers they were absurdly hot from three but some of what happened was when you could deter a harden possession they completely reset

limbo · Post #206 » by **limbo** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:54 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:Westbrook was pretty fine after he acclimated, and had that eureka moment, before the bubble where he was hobbled, it was like 20 games too

Westbrook has been garbage for far too many years in a row for me to take a 1-month regular season sample size of him playing well as some sort of serious marker of his value...

The thing with Westbrook is that he has virtually zero impact off-ball... Maybe even worse than zero in some instances, as teams are happy to leave him open on the perimeter and use his defender to help elsewhere without really sacrificing anything.

This means that for Westbrook to be useful he needs the ball as much as possible on offense... And there's an offensive cap with giving the ball to Westbrook on offense because he's way too inconsistent of a player now... Too many stars need to align for him to have elite offensive impact. It's just not happening outside small stretches where he's feeling fresh physically and his shooting isn't outright terrible... And the probability of those things start dramatically dropping once the Playoffs hit, legs start gettiny tired and teams start to lockdown defensively...

Personally, i think Westbrook has been done as a star in this league since 2018, and i don't see him somehow turning back the clock. If he was improving his bball IQ and shooting with age you could make the argument, but he's arguably getting worse in those areas with age lol.

This doesn't mean he can't still have all-star impact for a stretch of games, if nothing else, he is still given massive resources from teams to produce big numbers, but i don't see it being sustainable, especially in the Playoffs...

Not to mention his awful contract and the fact that he's starting to become injury prone.

The Wizards only took him on to get rid of Wall who has similar problems... It was a lateral move made to release all the baggage/history of Wall and turn a new leaf. Probably also a signal to Beal that he's the 'man' now and they are making moves and not staying pat.

ShotCreator · Post #207 » by **ShotCreator** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:41 am

It’s so obvious watching the Rockets they are gonna kill everyone.

Anyone who hasn’t watched these pre-season games I suggest you do. They are insanely athletic. The on-paper names don’t do justice how athletic they are. You have to see it.

And Christian Wood is a monster.

eminence · Post #208 » by **eminence** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:20 am

ShotCreator wrote:It’s so obvious watching the Rockets they are gonna kill everyone.

Anyone who hasn’t watched these pre-season games I suggest you do. They are insanely athletic. The on-paper names don’t do justice how athletic they are. You have to see it.

And Christian Wood is a monster.

I'd like to see them play a top 20 team before I get too excited.

ShotCreator · Post #209 » by **ShotCreator** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:23 am

eminence wrote:
ShotCreator wrote:It’s so obvious watching the Rockets they are gonna kill everyone.

Anyone who hasn’t watched these pre-season games I suggest you do. They are insanely athletic. The on-paper names don’t do justice how athletic they are. You have to see it.

And Christian Wood is a monster.

I'd like to see them play a top 20 team before I get too excited.

I wouldn’t.

eminence · Post #210 » by **eminence** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:27 am

ShotCreator wrote:
eminence wrote:
ShotCreator wrote:It’s so obvious watching the Rockets they are gonna kill everyone.

Anyone who hasn’t watched these pre-season games I suggest you do. They are insanely athletic. The on-paper names don’t do justice how athletic they are. You have to see it.

And Christian Wood is a monster.

I'd like to see them play a top 20 team before I get too excited.

I wouldn’t.

Get in touch with your bookie then man.

Bidofo · Post #211 » by **Bidofo** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:31 am

Ehh looking back maybe I did undersell Wall a tad. Better playoff performer than I thought

MyUniBroDavis · Post #212 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:06 am

ShotCreator wrote:It’s so obvious watching the Rockets they are gonna kill everyone.

Anyone who hasn’t watched these pre-season games I suggest you do. They are insanely athletic. The on-paper names don’t do justice how athletic they are. You have to see it.

And Christian Wood is a monster.

The pelicans did this last year lol

The rockets are gonna be fine but its way too early to say heyll be a top 3 team, coming off a year they were like 7th, with 3 teams having had a better offseason (lakers/bucks/clippers) than them that were alot better already

MisterHibachi · Post #213 » by **MisterHibachi** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:28 pm

I just realized how stacked the forward position is right now. The candidates for All NBA forward are LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, KD, Butler, Tatum, etc. and maybe AD, although he was considered a C for the 2020 team. If AD is considered a forward this year, it's not inconceivable that a back to back MVP is third team, if LeBron, KD, Kawhi and AD all have better seasons than Giannis.

therealbig3 · Post #214 » by **therealbig3** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:09 pm

KD looks very good from a physical standpoint so far, doesn’t look like he’s lost much at all. That’s really good news from the Nets perspective and honestly from the NBA perspective...it’s a better league when Durant is playing.

Post #215 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:56 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:I just realized how stacked the forward position is right now. The candidates for All NBA forward are LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, KD, Butler, Tatum, etc. and maybe AD, although he was considered a C for the 2020 team. If AD is considered a forward this year, it's not inconceivable that a back to back MVP is third team, if LeBron, KD, Kawhi and AD all have better seasons than Giannis.

But they manipulate it to get the best team they can so AD will be a center or Lebron will be a guard. Heck KD might be a center this year with how the Nets are talking about using him.

But beyond that, I see almost no chance any of those players have better regular seasons than Giannis much less all 4 of them. Those 4 are all going to be load managed and babied. And while Bud always in-game load manages Giannis with the low minutes/frequent stints on the bench he's still going to put up massive numbers and anchor an elite defense.

Post #216 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:57 pm

therealbig3 wrote:KD looks very good from a physical standpoint so far, doesn’t look like he’s lost much at all. That’s really good news from the Nets perspective and honestly from the NBA perspective...it’s a better league when Durant is playing.

How does he look defensively? Haven't seen any Nets pre-season. Offensively I wasn't worried about him at all--he's still long as hell and that shooting is elite. But the Nets need him to be their best defensive player to contend and that feels like a tough ask.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #217 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:34 am

OH GOD NASH MIGHT BE A GOOD COACH

MisterHibachi · Post #218 » by **MisterHibachi** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:51 am

Warriors stink

limbo · Post #219 » by **limbo** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:56 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:OH GOD NASH MIGHT BE A GOOD COACH

Dude's got D'Antoni in his back pocket and arguably the most talented offensive cast in the league. You could put me there and you wouldn't notice the difference.

ShotCreator · Post #220 » by **ShotCreator** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:01 am

First time seeing GS. Horrendous BBIQ all over the roster.

It’s gonna be a long frustrating season for Curry and Draymond.