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Post#2021 » by tsherkin » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:00 pm

PistolPeteJR wrote:
Cavsfansince84 wrote:Expecting much from this Lakers team is being a bit unrealistic imo. Just enjoy it for what it is. LeBron is just adding to his career totals at this point and redefining what people thought was possible for a 38-40 year old player to do.


The disappointment is multi-faceted:

1) They just came off a WCF trip with the same roster and are struggling to win games because the supporting cast in general has taken a few steps back.
2) LeBron and AD have been very healthy thus far and despite that, the team is struggling.
3) Their biggest FA acquisition in Gabe Vincent that's supposed to be a starter and their dedicated POA defender hasn't played a lick basically.
4) Reaves especially is supposed to have taken a stride or two forward and instead of finally starting to resemble his form from last year on offense, but is even worse on defense.


They were barely above .500 last year (43 wins) and turned it up in the playoffs. So they really aren't THAT different. And yeah, Reaves hasn't taken The Leap. And of course Hachimura is not shooting 49% from 3. They haven't improved on D. They don't have better guard play.

What were people really expecting, apart from praying that Reaves would get it going?
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Post#2022 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:40 pm

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Cavsfansince84 wrote:Expecting much from this Lakers team is being a bit unrealistic imo. Just enjoy it for what it is. LeBron is just adding to his career totals at this point and redefining what people thought was possible for a 38-40 year old player to do.


The disappointment is multi-faceted:

1) They just came off a WCF trip with the same roster and are struggling to win games because the supporting cast in general has taken a few steps back.
2) LeBron and AD have been very healthy thus far and despite that, the team is struggling.
3) Their biggest FA acquisition in Gabe Vincent that's supposed to be a starter and their dedicated POA defender hasn't played a lick basically.
4) Reaves especially is supposed to have taken a stride or two forward and instead of finally starting to resemble his form from last year on offense, but is even worse on defense.


They were barely above .500 last year (43 wins) and turned it up in the playoffs. So they really aren't THAT different. And yeah, Reaves hasn't taken The Leap. And of course Hachimura is not shooting 49% from 3. They haven't improved on D. They don't have better guard play.

What were people really expecting, apart from praying that Reaves would get it going?



They were 18-8 post trades last year with bron missing a ton of those games and in the games he did play he was injured and AD visibly hurt, for the most part the roster has improved along the margins

Reaves going from a decent defender to one of the worst in the league is rough, although he’s done better after a bad start on offense and his three point shooting is gonna come back, and bron going a bit harder in the IST made guys think we were further along than we were, but I’m not particularly worried, been saying they were due for a slump for a minute, hopefully they’re out of it by now.

Doubt Reaves stays quite this bad on defense too, guys do be hitting some craziness over him, obviously not a good defender but he’ll be more below average than 3 tiers below Dlo, but his passing has gotten better

Bron has been very mid since the IST which kind of sucks lol but it’s also pretty clear that bron at full throttle is still him
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Post#2023 » by PistolPeteJR » Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:46 pm

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Cavsfansince84 wrote:Expecting much from this Lakers team is being a bit unrealistic imo. Just enjoy it for what it is. LeBron is just adding to his career totals at this point and redefining what people thought was possible for a 38-40 year old player to do.


The disappointment is multi-faceted:

1) They just came off a WCF trip with the same roster and are struggling to win games because the supporting cast in general has taken a few steps back.
2) LeBron and AD have been very healthy thus far and despite that, the team is struggling.
3) Their biggest FA acquisition in Gabe Vincent that's supposed to be a starter and their dedicated POA defender hasn't played a lick basically.
4) Reaves especially is supposed to have taken a stride or two forward and instead of finally starting to resemble his form from last year on offense, but is even worse on defense.


They were barely above .500 last year (43 wins) and turned it up in the playoffs. So they really aren't THAT different. And yeah, Reaves hasn't taken The Leap. And of course Hachimura is not shooting 49% from 3. They haven't improved on D. They don't have better guard play.

What were people really expecting, apart from praying that Reaves would get it going?


They were also expecting Rui to not necessarily shoot 49% from deep, but to take a leap still given he supposedly worked out with LeBron a significant amount in the summer etc. They also weren't expecting Vando to have taken a step or two in the wrong direction, and for Hayes to have been absolutely unplayable from day 1.

The "turning it up" in the playoffs for them started early last year when they made a run to make the play-in. That's what people are looking for, that team. They played that way for the IST games, but outside of that and a sprinkling of other RS games, no bueno.
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Post#2024 » by tsherkin » Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:08 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:Bron has been very mid since the IST which kind of sucks lol but it’s also pretty clear that bron at full throttle is still him


You can ask only so much of him, especially without a ton of strong roster support around him, AD notwithstanding. LA is quite poor in its spacing, which is a huge issue, especially 20 years into a career which has been all about leveraging spacing. Pelinka FTL.

PistolPeteJR wrote:They were also expecting Rui to not necessarily shoot 49% from deep, but to take a leap still given he supposedly worked out with LeBron a significant amount in the summer etc. They also weren't expecting Vando to have taken a step or two in the wrong direction, and for Hayes to have been absolutely unplayable from day 1.


I'm not sure what they were expecting from Hachi, but that seems unwise in retrospect at least. Dude is like today's Robert Horry.

The "turning it up" in the playoffs for them started early last year when they made a run to make the play-in. That's what people are looking for, that team. They played that way for the IST games, but outside of that and a sprinkling of other RS games, no bueno.


Sure, but it's contingent on the supporting cast... not sucking, which they have not done. They're limited, and they have been piss-poor from 3, which undercuts eeeeverything else, especially with their bleh defense.
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Post#2025 » by Colbinii » Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:50 pm

How many days until we can buy a Zach LaVine Lakers jersey?
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Post#2026 » by nzahir » Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:14 am

Memphis waiving Biyombo…

If we aren’t going to get a backup C like Stewart, Powell, Drummond, or even a higher end guy like Gafford, then we should sign him

Move Hayes in a deal as filler

With Wood playing better, I’m more convinced we can move off of Rui and try to get a guy who is more of a 2/3 than a 3/4
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Post#2027 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Jan 11, 2024 12:55 am

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MyUniBroDavis wrote:Bron has been very mid since the IST which kind of sucks lol but it’s also pretty clear that bron at full throttle is still him


You can ask only so much of him, especially without a ton of strong roster support around him, AD notwithstanding. LA is quite poor in its spacing, which is a huge issue, especially 20 years into a career which has been all about leveraging spacing. Pelinka FTL.

PistolPeteJR wrote:They were also expecting Rui to not necessarily shoot 49% from deep, but to take a leap still given he supposedly worked out with LeBron a significant amount in the summer etc. They also weren't expecting Vando to have taken a step or two in the wrong direction, and for Hayes to have been absolutely unplayable from day 1.


I'm not sure what they were expecting from Hachi, but that seems unwise in retrospect at least. Dude is like today's Robert Horry.

The "turning it up" in the playoffs for them started early last year when they made a run to make the play-in. That's what people are looking for, that team. They played that way for the IST games, but outside of that and a sprinkling of other RS games, no bueno.


Sure, but it's contingent on the supporting cast... not sucking, which they have not done. They're limited, and they have been piss-poor from 3, which undercuts eeeeverything else, especially with their bleh defense.


LA’s shot a bit better as of late shooting, 37.2% from three December onwards, would be 11th, but teams have shot like crazy against them too.

Brons genuinely been bad on defense during this stretch, vs normally being a neutral or a slight to moderate positive like he is in the RS nowadays, but when he’s pissed the defense always takes a nosedive.
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Post#2028 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:15 am

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MyUniBroDavis wrote:Bron has been very mid since the IST which kind of sucks lol but it’s also pretty clear that bron at full throttle is still him


You can ask only so much of him, especially without a ton of strong roster support around him, AD notwithstanding. LA is quite poor in its spacing, which is a huge issue, especially 20 years into a career which has been all about leveraging spacing. Pelinka FTL.

PistolPeteJR wrote:They were also expecting Rui to not necessarily shoot 49% from deep, but to take a leap still given he supposedly worked out with LeBron a significant amount in the summer etc. They also weren't expecting Vando to have taken a step or two in the wrong direction, and for Hayes to have been absolutely unplayable from day 1.


I'm not sure what they were expecting from Hachi, but that seems unwise in retrospect at least. Dude is like today's Robert Horry.

The "turning it up" in the playoffs for them started early last year when they made a run to make the play-in. That's what people are looking for, that team. They played that way for the IST games, but outside of that and a sprinkling of other RS games, no bueno.


Sure, but it's contingent on the supporting cast... not sucking, which they have not done. They're limited, and they have been piss-poor from 3, which undercuts eeeeverything else, especially with their bleh defense.


Exactly. Hence the disappointment.
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Post#2029 » by zimpy27 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:12 am

17. JHS
18. Jaime Jaquez
19. Podziemski
20. Cam Whitmore



Lakers would be regretting their pick.. so hard.
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Post#2030 » by Tracymcgoaty » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:42 am

zimpy27 wrote:17. JHS
18. Jaime Jaquez
19. Podziemski
20. Cam Whitmore



Lakers would be regretting their pick.. so hard.


To be honest we haven't seen JHS played at all. Im not taking that extremely small sample size of a game to judge the pick. Ham hasn't played him at all.
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Post#2031 » by Mos_Heat » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:48 am

Ian Scuffling wrote:Yeah, it's not hard to see what makes a Lebron led team dangerous. Maybe, the fact they have a great center is throwing Pelinka off :) But, the recipe should still be surround Lebron with shooters. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.

Ehh...I would push back on this a little. With your two stars being not superb shooters you need a lot of if from other guys. But you also need serviceable defense and good to very good shot creation from some of them. It's not that easy to get these type of players when ~70% of your cap is occupied by two stars and your pick pool is dry. Not saying Pelinka has done a good job, but it's just not that easy
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Post#2032 » by Mos_Heat » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:54 am

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zimpy27 wrote:17. JHS
18. Jaime Jaquez
19. Podziemski
20. Cam Whitmore



Lakers would be regretting their pick.. so hard.


To be honest we haven't seen JHS played at all. Im not taking that extremely small sample size of a game to judge the pick. Ham hasn't played him at all.

It's hard to imagine that he would be an impactful rotational player on his rookie deal, so they should regret their pick
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Post#2033 » by Tracymcgoaty » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:56 am

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zimpy27 wrote:17. JHS
18. Jaime Jaquez
19. Podziemski
20. Cam Whitmore



Lakers would be regretting their pick.. so hard.


To be honest we haven't seen JHS played at all. Im not taking that extremely small sample size of a game to judge the pick. Ham hasn't played him at all.

It's hard to imagine that he would be an impactful rotational player on his rookie deal, so they should regret their pick


I mean define ''impactful'' on this lakers team.

If he can hit wide open threes at an average level he would have more impact than some of our starters.
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Post#2034 » by Mos_Heat » Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:03 am

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To be honest we haven't seen JHS played at all. Im not taking that extremely small sample size of a game to judge the pick. Ham hasn't played him at all.

It's hard to imagine that he would be an impactful rotational player on his rookie deal, so they should regret their pick


I mean define ''impactful'' on this lakers team.

If he can hit wide open threes at an average level he would have more impact than some of our starters.

A guy who can create some offense, be at least a threat to shoot and can survive on defense. Like typical backup pg stuff
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Post#2035 » by khaltheball » Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:56 am

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Mos_Heat wrote:Hachimura + Christie + unprotected 29 + swaps in 26 and 28 for Murray

Is it enough? Would be nice if they could get him without losing Reaves

Feels like more than enough

Also I feel like Murray is a bit overrated and the fit is meh. Lavine is probably a better bet if we want to make a big swing

Also has anyone looked at our teams best lineups net rating wise (with a decent sample size of min)?

Reaves has been in a lot of bad ones and Dlo has been in good ones funny enough

But come playoff time I trust Reaves more

Not trading Reaves for Lavine though, but I would potentially consider the Lavine and AC package if we threw Reaves in

I still dont see it though, Jeanie probably doesnt want to move a cheap asset like him unless we are getting a legit all star


Agree with all this , the more I look at the complaints of hawks fans the more I doubt Murray. The main benefit to Murray is you can make another move but will that move be impactful enough ? Bench lvl replacement guys do less than people think. Like Murray + cam Johnson maybe nice but think nets n hawks are gonna be delusional on price . I agree on the Caruso thing too … partly because of you get Caruso n lavine you might not close with reaves. But I would then want them to get Murray too cos I’d worry about enough ball handling . Closing with Murray Caruso lavine might work cos Caruso is such a defensive stud n they can replace someone with more size if needed. Murray I’m worried diesnt do much teams don’t really guard him. I’d be happy with lavine + Caruso/smart /defensive stud big guard who can pass n shoot a bit . If they can keep reaves with that I’d be very happy as a sixth man . Who knows maybe lavine contract is negative value ? But hawks over paid for Murray so that migh affect what they want . Feel like 2 swaps n 1 FRP is over pay
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Post#2036 » by zimpy27 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:58 am

LeBron and Wood have a 2-man lineup of +14.6 in 300+ minutes played..

No other 2-man lineup is close to this.. Next closest is Reaves and Rui at +4.

I want to see LeBron and Wood play 24 mpg together.
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Post#2037 » by khaltheball » Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:00 pm

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The disappointment is multi-faceted:

1) They just came off a WCF trip with the same roster and are struggling to win games because the supporting cast in general has taken a few steps back.
2) LeBron and AD have been very healthy thus far and despite that, the team is struggling.
3) Their biggest FA acquisition in Gabe Vincent that's supposed to be a starter and their dedicated POA defender hasn't played a lick basically.
4) Reaves especially is supposed to have taken a stride or two forward and instead of finally starting to resemble his form from last year on offense, but is even worse on defense.


They were barely above .500 last year (43 wins) and turned it up in the playoffs. So they really aren't THAT different. And yeah, Reaves hasn't taken The Leap. And of course Hachimura is not shooting 49% from 3. They haven't improved on D. They don't have better guard play.

What were people really expecting, apart from praying that Reaves would get it going?


They were also expecting Rui to not necessarily shoot 49% from deep, but to take a leap still given he no supposedly worked out with LeBron a significant amount in the summer etc. They also weren't expecting Vando to have taken a step or two in the wrong direction, and for Hayes to have been absolutely unplayable from day 1.

The "turning it up" in the playoffs for them started early last year when they made a run to make the play-in. That's what people are looking for, that team. They played that way for the IST games, but outside of that and a sprinkling of other RS games, no bueno.


This highlights the bulk of my annoyance with Pelinka ( just this year not even going back ). Outside of the picking Dlo over Conley , picking guys he could let go this summer but then deciding he wouldn’t do that when most of them were benched when needed ( even Rui was unplayable vs gsw despite scoring at a high rate n outkier shooting). Despite Rui outkier shooting his playoff epm n raptors were barely neutral .

I remember being disagreed with eksewhere when I said both the Rui n vando deals seemed rich. And I’d only of done them had I seen outlier lvl growth from both. But realistically players don’t change that fast n at that age. Rui was a losing player that Washington benched n got rid off for seconds for a reason. The idea of Rui has always far exceeded reality and it’s just further confirmation to me that Bron decided to hitch his last years to an incompetent GM. I don’t pretend to be an expert but god damn man. He’s supposed to have way more access to info than I do, Rui getting 17m when that’s quality starter money is just ridiculous. For a guy who loses minutes to kuzma wizards rookies n cam reddish . I could n have written of his many flaws but his size n kinda shooting makes casuals think Ham is at fault for not playing Rui more

Vando was even worse , lots of buzz on dumbasss social media that if he just developed a corner three he’d be amazing : but an outlier jump
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Both moved on from him. There’s a reason wizards gave Rui 4 years n all the tools he had n potential amounted to ****. You can’t even trade vando now it’s hilarious, I’m torn between the greatness of Bron n AD and the awful GM n not heavy spending ownership because the latter do not deserve the former or winning . Vando is so bad offensively it hurts everytime there should be an easy layup or dunk it’s flubbed. How can he so be co ordinated on defence ( when healthy ) n rebounding n so awful offensively? It’s impressive that Pelinka extended him with no thought . I honestly dislike that Ham is the current scape goat amongst most fans when he hasn’t been perfect but his moves in the playoffs n IST make me feel he’s atleast average . I’m over here praying wood can step up because honestly one of the current guys has to because we can only afford 1-1.5 moves n this GM doesn’t want to do much .

Outside those two and injuries to Gabe etc ( Rui is injury prone too so I don’t count that as bad luck ) Reaves, Christie , jhs not reaching the optimistic end of their estimated play this year hurt this team. Picks 18,19,20 all would’ve played for us and helped. Picks 10,12,14,16 all being good players to stings . It seems lakers don’t prioritise picks with frps of guys who could help the current team.
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Post#2038 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:35 pm

Tracymcgoaty wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:17. JHS
18. Jaime Jaquez
19. Podziemski
20. Cam Whitmore



Lakers would be regretting their pick.. so hard.


To be honest we haven't seen JHS played at all. Im not taking that extremely small sample size of a game to judge the pick. Ham hasn't played him at all.


He’s pretty clearly not good enough right now though, he was a year 2 or 3 pick
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Post#2039 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:36 pm

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To be honest we haven't seen JHS played at all. Im not taking that extremely small sample size of a game to judge the pick. Ham hasn't played him at all.

It's hard to imagine that he would be an impactful rotational player on his rookie deal, so they should regret their pick


I mean define ''impactful'' on this lakers team.

If he can hit wide open threes at an average level he would have more impact than some of our starters.



JHS is probably the worst shooter on the team thats not Hayes lol
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Post#2040 » by khaltheball » Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:23 pm

Just watched lavine last night vs rockets . He was amazing 3 games back from injury he played 77 last year mind you. Showed off he can be a very solid to good defender when engaged n will be here imo especially on ball, leagues better then reaves or Dlo or Rui on perimeter. Showed me he can pass ( no **** ) he’s a better passer n offensive player overall than jaylen brown imo im confident in that take just mis cast . He’s very solid at feeding Vuc as usual . He provides much needed rim pressure n won’t mess up transition like Dlo . He’s literally perfect for what this team needs ; he’ll actually be a huge upgrade for the 5 out someone who can actually pressure the rim n shoot the **** out of the ball , make enough passses n plays ok enough defense ( possibly good when engaged n in LA). I’m convinced he’s been half assing this season or played hurt . If they can get Murray in a separate deal ( I’d give up reaves if they had to cos lavine n reaves fit is a bit wonky n we want to win now ) , hoping Murray is cheap . Also ales Caruso , Marcus smart or any big defensive guard who can pass a bit n shoot a bit along side lavine and I love this for us. I think they sadly might not do it but god damn it lavine will literally help on every way possible other than elite/great playmaking . Helps lighten the load for AD n Bron scoring wise n can take highly efficient looks without taking away from the table . I’m pretty confident he’s the way higher upside play over Murray now. I can see him
Being a turbo charged jaylen brown - one that can actually drive better shoot better n considering brown - I think pass better . Oh n it’ll prob be fun to see some exciting transition plays or cuts n lobs .

Oh n
Both lavine n Caruso being so athletic helps the team in so many areas like transition on both ends , cuts , but most importantly hustling for boards . Similar reason I like Murray maybe - high rebound rate. Some news that reaves may be enough for Murray .

Rui Dlo jhs - lavine ( if possibly add Gabe and FRP for Caruso I think that’s enough value if Gabe was heakthy I’d feel so and being hard capped they’re close enough salaries to work .)

Reaves + filler( no idea what ) - Murray - might be a three way move not sure exactly might be teamd wanting reaves , Murray fits better alongside zach if no Caruso. And even with him I think I prefer that upside .

This involves Pelinka b the lakers getting real with themselves n prob some idiot casuals will cry about reaves n Rui . But this is a very possible framework of a trade and one that actually gives you upside to compete . I’d advise zach skeptics to watch that game, need the doctors to confirm he’s fine n he was half asssing due to hating his coach etc . Some belief that zach is a negative asset on that deal - I’m not sure if I buy that but he has no suitors and no other contender needs a star back court scorer/shooter . I remember really wanting zach in 2020-21ish seasons when Bron was full time pg for a while . I think a combo of zach then reaves/Caruso /Murray whatever n occasionally AD is enough to help Bron bring the ball up where he really wants the help . I think he’s ok playing pg just not always being the only handler n he won’t be. Finally feel some optimism.

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