(LOCK THREAD) The LeBron James- 23-24 NBA Thread - 40K POINTS+(Part 1)(NO INSULTING)

[PistolPeteJR]

I really feel like Lakers might part with Reaves for a combo of Murray+LaVine or Murray+DeMar.


How would you guys feel about that?

Absolutely fine if it nets them Lavine (not DeMar) and I have no issue with them adding to him for Caruso. What would it take?

Basically, I’m done with Reaves. Sure, he may improve, and good on him if so. But it’s not even the offensive inconsistencies that worry me. It’s that ever since his offensive load has increased, his passable defense has become absolutely horrid. It’s brutal. Trade him now.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Is Reaves even better than Dlo lmao

[mademan]

How much value do you guys think Reaves still has? Still a good player, but is he even a clear cut stater in this league? What was looking like a steal of a contract 6 months ago is now, what, ok? Not great but not bad?

[zimpy27]

I really feel like Lakers might part with Reaves for a combo of Murray+LaVine or Murray+DeMar.


How would you guys feel about that?

Absolutely fine if it nets them Lavine (not DeMar) and I have no issue with them adding to him for Caruso. What would it take?

Basically, I’m done with Reaves. Sure, he may improve, and good on him if so. But it’s not even the offensive inconsistencies that worry me. It’s that ever since his offensive load has increased, his passable defense has become absolutely horrid. It’s brutal. Trade him now.

That's super reactive. Beal and Booker were cooking everyone. May as well send Christie to the G league and Reddish to Siberia.

[zimpy27]

How much value do you guys think Reaves still has? Still a good player, but is he even a clear cut stater in this league? What was looking like a steal of a contract 6 months ago is now, what, ok? Not great but not bad?

2x unprotected FRPs and expiring filler.
That's at least how Lakers value him.

Recent report said they'd give Reaves to Hawks for Murray but Hawks would have to add value. So take that as you will.

[The Master]

How much value do you guys think Reaves still has? Still a good player, but is he even a clear cut stater in this league? What was looking like a steal of a contract 6 months ago is now, what, ok? Not great but not bad?

Yeah, Reaves is a starter on MLE-near money, still the best ratio contract/value on Lakers roster besides big2, hard to criticize him (not to mention he's a big overachiever already considering him being undrafted).

But yeah, I'd definitely check out a market considering he'll be 26 on May.

[mademan]

How much value do you guys think Reaves still has? Still a good player, but is he even a clear cut stater in this league? What was looking like a steal of a contract 6 months ago is now, what, ok? Not great but not bad?

2x unprotected FRPs and expiring filler.
That's at least how Lakers value him.

Recent report said they'd give Reaves to Hawks for Murray but Hawks would have to add value. So take that as you will.

2 unprotected 1st's? jesus.

Maybe the league is still drinking the kool-aid on him, but his claim to fame is like a 30 game stretch to end last year. He's followed i up with a pretty mediocre 30 game stretch to start this season. There are incompetent FO's, but i have no idea why a team would decide that last year Reaves is the real Reaves and not this years.

[zimpy27]

How much value do you guys think Reaves still has? Still a good player, but is he even a clear cut stater in this league? What was looking like a steal of a contract 6 months ago is now, what, ok? Not great but not bad?

2x unprotected FRPs and expiring filler.
That's at least how Lakers value him.

Recent report said they'd give Reaves to Hawks for Murray but Hawks would have to add value. So take that as you will.

2 unprotected 1st's? jesus.

Maybe the league is still drinking the kool-aid on him, but his claim to fame is like a 30 game stretch to end last year. He's followed i up with a pretty mediocre 30 game stretch to start this season. There are incompetent FO's, but i have no idea why a team would decide that last year Reaves is the real Reaves and not this years.

30 game stretch last season
Playoffs last season
FIBA in offseason

Those are his claims to fame.

Do you think Scottie Barnes has much value after his 30 games this season? What other claims to fame are there?

[mademan]

2x unprotected FRPs and expiring filler.
That's at least how Lakers value him.

Recent report said they'd give Reaves to Hawks for Murray but Hawks would have to add value. So take that as you will.

2 unprotected 1st's? jesus.

Maybe the league is still drinking the kool-aid on him, but his claim to fame is like a 30 game stretch to end last year. He's followed i up with a pretty mediocre 30 game stretch to start this season. There are incompetent FO's, but i have no idea why a team would decide that last year Reaves is the real Reaves and not this years.

30 game stretch last season
Playoffs last season
FIBA in offseason

Those are his claims to fame.

Do you think Scottie Barnes has much value after his 30 games this season? What other claims to fame are there?

yes? Scottie has youth, size and athleticism. Potential matters, and im not sure people would or should see potential in AR. Reaves is a 25 year old guard who played well for a stretch to close the season. And his most recent play is a far cry from that. Again, im not saying he's bad, but why would a team believe that the reality is last year and not this year?

and cmon man,FIBA? Playing with the best in the world against much worse competition isnt something anybody should look at.

[1993Playoffs]

Yeah I said it before, Reaves defense is target-able

[nzahir]

Yeah I said it before, Reaves defense is target-able

We cant have him switching everything everytime

He needs to be in more of a chaser or poa role

I just dont see the fit with DJM and his value seems overhyped. but maybe I dont know him well enough

Someone here sell me on DJM

[mademan]

Yeah I said it before, Reaves defense is target-able

We cant have him switching everything everytime

He needs to be in more of a chaser or poa role

I just dont see the fit with DJM and his value seems overhyped. but maybe I dont know him well enough

Someone here sell me on DJM

He ight. Probably a Reaves level player, tho he peaked for a single season in SAS as probably a top 20 player, but considering he never had a season as good prior and a season as good after, thats probably an abberation. He helps defensively, but the Lakers problems are in the offensive halfcourt where im not sure he provides more value. But you can play him with DLO in a way you cant Reaves, which means youre removing either Reddish or Vando from the SL which should improve the offensive.

ATL should want more than Reaves and i dont think the Lakers are in a position to give more. So i dont see a trade happening

[Mos_Heat]

I expect a smaller move like Bojan or maybe Gafford and one of Wiz guards. But nothing super impactful and tbh this team looks kinda cooked

[Doug_12]

I really feel like Lakers might part with Reaves for a combo of Murray+LaVine or Murray+DeMar.


How would you guys feel about that?

Lakers are too weak to compete for a title, realistically - they're borderline playoff team with both LeBron/AD being healthy and the best they can get are players between top starters/borderline allstar players (rather starters).

As a LeBron fan, I don't care about Lakers' future, so doing something is fine, especially since it may be THIS season when both AD and LeBron are healthy.

As a Lakers fan, I would be very hesitant to move any long-term asset, Lakers have 31yo AD, 26yo Reaves and some scrubs (Hood-Schifino, Christie) for post-LeBron era.

I'm not, so go for it, but objectively speaking, Lakers are in no position to do all-in moves.

It's all about depth and fit, not a 3rd-fiddle on heavy contract like LaVine.

Lakers lack depth, on-ball defenders and shooters - too much holes to fill them with a moderate number of assets.

The only realistic in any way goal that could make a difference is Siakam, not LaVine or Murray. But he'd be an awkward fit, so I doubt it.

I bet Lakers will be very patient, everyone says about winning, but I guess the front office is completely fine with being playoff team with 'some' upside, even without legit shot to win a ring. I'd be too, LeBron/AD at this point are completely unreliable in terms of real contending for a title.

I completely agree with this. I'd be reluctant to move any future asset for a retool as it seems to be way more probable that in 1-2 years we will be a league bottom-team than we are going to be a contender.

LaVine's contract is a huge negative to me (impedes any future major FA signing even after Lebron is gone - and we will have no other way to improve), and I'm convinced that sooner than later, the league will see him also in that way. (Meaning that the idea of trading picks or prospects for him becoming just as ridiculous as it was for Westbrook)

[zimpy27]

I think one problem with LeBron is that he hasn't stepped up to the PF role in terms of rebounding.

This is why Vando was starting and it was critical to Lakers success last season. But Vando can't shoot right now. If Vando could shoot then this team would be great IMO.

Working out how to make Vando an efficient scorer is key IMO..

He actually unlocks a lot. Lakers have 3.5 more possessions with him on court per 100.

[zimpy27]

Wood is an alternative to Vando but he can't defend perimeter.

Vincent is actually 2nd to Vando in being positive for possessions.

[tsherkin]

I think one problem with LeBron is that he hasn't stepped up to the PF role in terms of rebounding.

Really? They're second in the league in defensive rebounding and he's posting a 19.6% DRB so far. Lebron is not hitting the offensive glass well at all, of course, so there's that but it isnt a positional issue.

[PistolPeteJR]

I really feel like Lakers might part with Reaves for a combo of Murray+LaVine or Murray+DeMar.


How would you guys feel about that?

Absolutely fine if it nets them Lavine (not DeMar) and I have no issue with them adding to him for Caruso. What would it take?

Basically, I’m done with Reaves. Sure, he may improve, and good on him if so. But it’s not even the offensive inconsistencies that worry me. It’s that ever since his offensive load has increased, his passable defense has become absolutely horrid. It’s brutal. Trade him now.

That's super reactive. Beal and Booker were cooking everyone. May as well send Christie to the G league and Reddish to Siberia.

Reaves hasn't been getting cooked on defense only today. It's been the case all year. That's why I said, "since his offensive load has increased".

[zimpy27]

I think one problem with LeBron is that he hasn't stepped up to the PF role in terms of rebounding.

Really? They're second in the league in defensive rebounding and he's posting a 19.6% DRB so far. Lebron is not hitting the offensive glass well at all, of course, so there's that but it isnt a positional issue.

Well his numbers are the same when he played SF role. So compared to 19-20, they aren't getting more from him. The reduced size.means they have less possessions. Less possessions needs better efficiency to even out. They've lessened possessions with Davis to 5 and LeBron to 4 but haven't improved efficiency.

[zimpy27]

Absolutely fine if it nets them Lavine (not DeMar) and I have no issue with them adding to him for Caruso. What would it take?

Basically, I’m done with Reaves. Sure, he may improve, and good on him if so. But it’s not even the offensive inconsistencies that worry me. It’s that ever since his offensive load has increased, his passable defense has become absolutely horrid. It’s brutal. Trade him now.

That's super reactive. Beal and Booker were cooking everyone. May as well send Christie to the G league and Reddish to Siberia.

Reaves hasn't been getting cooked on defense only today. It's been the case all year. That's why I said, "since his offensive load has increased".

He's a POA defender. He'd be more effective under Vogel and really in his rookie year he was most effective defensively.

But he still does well with Davis backing him...he does poorly with Wood or Hayes backing him