All-Time Fantasy Draft With FGA Limit - Meta Thread

[MisterHibachi]

Wow, for sure thought Stockton would be available at my pick.

[Dr Spaceman]

Damn I should just write up E-Balla's team.

That's a brilliant conclusion. Exactly what came to my mind. I guess the same can be said about LA Bird's team, considering he also has two of your favorite players. On the other hand, I never thought about you as a big Magic guy, I was definitely surprised that you took him over guys like Russell, Garnett, Robinson and Walton, considering all of them were available at your spot.

I've actually always really loved Magic; he was the first historical player I really grew to love when I first got into basketball. Don't wear my heart on my sleeve the way I do with Dirk, but his game is so infectious it's hard not to be a fan.

For a long time I realize I've underrated Magic. I always recognized his vision but I always thought his team was stacked and I underestimated his half-court game. He was a brilliant, brilliant post player, maybe one of the 4 or 5 best I've ever seen. The way he had the early 90s Lakers half court offense ringing like a symphony is one of my favorite basketball things. Just a beautiful machine that belied the complexity and precision of what was happening at a low level. You really couldn't have pulled that's off with any lesser an offensive talent than Magic.

I love the flexibility too, and like E-Balla mentioned I considered (and still am, present tense) playing Magic at either of the 2 forward spots in addition to point guard. He's given me a ton of flexibility in building a team going forward, and so I haven't gotten too upset when when my "guys" get drafted a few spots ahead of me, because I can always go ion a different direction. I do plan on playing this as a mostly half court type of team, and I've already talked about how I think Magic is the perfect centerpiece for that sort of thing. For that reason I'm leaning toward picking one of 89, 90, 91 as the year, but not totally sure yet.

It's probably my favorite aspect of a draft like this too. I think we can learn a lot by not only when guys are taken, but what sorts of supporting talent guys take around their star and what kind of strategy they envision. Not only is it cool to read, but it provides a lot of insight and especially when people take this seriously and actually watch a little video and do some research as it seems everybody has done here so far. Basketball is goddamn fun.

[Dr Spaceman]

By the way is it significant to anyone else Kawhi was just drafted over Durant?

[Statlanta]

Wow, for sure thought Stockton would be available at my pick.

Gotta reach that 85 and under somehow. Also I believe the best at each position(mostly the freak of nature mismatches) are chosen already so this was a reach for under the limit more than anything.

[Timmaytime]

By the way is it significant to anyone else Kawhi was just drafted over Durant?

It's bizarre cause it just seems like recency bias because Kawhi was so good this year, but at the same time Durant was probably just as good this year and was better two years ago...

[MisterHibachi]

By the way is it significant to anyone else Kawhi was just drafted over Durant?

With real life implications? Not really. No one is going to sign Kawhi over KD just because he shoots less. In 2014 when we did this with no FGA limits, KD went 14. Obviously Kawhi wasn't anything special in January of 2014, hadn't won his FMVP yet, but I don't think 2016 Kawhi would've gone top 14.

[Timmaytime]

Wow, for sure thought Stockton would be available at my pick.

Gotta reach that 85 and under somehow. Also I believe the best at each position(mostly the freak of nature mismatches) are chosen already so this was a reach for under the limit more than anything.

It's hard to argue getting a top 5 guy at the position in a prime year with under 10 fga..

I actually briefly thought about him for my first round pick lol

[E-Balla]

Damn I should just write up E-Balla's team.

That's a brilliant conclusion. Exactly what came to my mind. I guess the same can be said about LA Bird's team, considering he also has two of your favorite players. On the other hand, I never thought about you as a big Magic guy, I was definitely surprised that you took him over guys like Russell, Garnett, Robinson and Walton, considering all of them were available at your spot.

I've actually always really loved Magic; he was the first historical player I really grew to love when I first got into basketball. Don't wear my heart on my sleeve the way I do with Dirk, but his game is so infectious it's hard not to be a fan.

For a long time I realize I've underrated Magic. I always recognized his vision but I always thought his team was stacked and I underestimated his half-court game. He was a brilliant, brilliant post player, maybe one of the 4 or 5 best I've ever seen. The way he had the early 90s Lakers half court offense ringing like a symphony is one of my favorite basketball things. Just a beautiful machine that belied the complexity and precision of what was happening at a low level. You really couldn't have pulled that's off with any lesser an offensive talent than Magic.

I love the flexibility too, and like E-Balla mentioned I considered (and still am, present tense) playing Magic at either of the 2 forward spots in addition to point guard. He's given me a ton of flexibility in building a team going forward, and so I haven't gotten too upset when when my "guys" get drafted a few spots ahead of me, because I can always go ion a different direction. I do plan on playing this as a mostly half court type of team, and I've already talked about how I think Magic is the perfect centerpiece for that sort of thing. For that reason I'm leaning toward picking one of 89, 90, 91 as the year, but not totally sure yet.

It's probably my favorite aspect of a draft like this too. I think we can learn a lot by not only when guys are taken, but what sorts of supporting talent guys take around their star and what kind of strategy they envision. Not only is it cool to read, but it provides a lot of insight and especially when people take this seriously and actually watch a little video and do some research as it seems everybody has done here so far. Basketball is goddamn fun.

I think 90 is the best of those years but I'd honestly pick 85 or 86 Magic if I were you. Yeah I know he's not shooting threes but he's still amazing.

[MisterHibachi]

15. LA Bird - David Robinson (year to be specified)
16. LA BIrd - Dirk Nowitzki (year to be specified)
17. lilroddyb - Kawhi Leonard (year to be specified)
18. lilroddyb - Chris Paul (year to be specified)

What is the actual order here going forward?

LA Bird
lilroddyb
lilroddyb
LA Bird,

or does Bird get back to back?

[eminence]

By the way is it significant to anyone else Kawhi was just drafted over Durant?

I had Kawhi over Durant on my own board for this particular contest. In the real league where I don't know that I'll have great supporting casts/such freedom to build whatever team I want I'd still have peak Durant just over this Kawhi.

[Quotatious]

What is the actual order here going forward?

LA Bird
lilroddyb
lilroddyb
LA Bird,

or does Bird get back to back?

LA Bird gets back-to-back. Order will be the same as it is in the OP, starting with the next round.

[Quotatious]

Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to check RealGM for a few hours, and I was asked by Spaceman via PM to keep Anthony Davis for him, in case AustinCarr61 doesn't take him (Spaceman is not sure if he'll be around to make his selection himself, so he asked me to do it, just in case). Just letting you know guys, AD is basically off the board already.

[Dr Spaceman]

Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to check RealGM for a few hours, and I was asked by Spaceman via PM to keep Anthony Davis for him, in case AustinCarr61 doesn't take him (Spaceman is not sure if he'll be around to make his selection himself, so he asked me to do it, just in case). Just letting you know guys, AD is basically off the board already.

Oh man what if he sees this and takes him now

[Quotatious]

Oh man what if he sees this and takes him now

I don't think he'll be that wicked.

[Doctor MJ]

By the way is it significant to anyone else Kawhi was just drafted over Durant?

With real life implications? Not really. No one is going to sign Kawhi over KD just because he shoots less. In 2014 when we did this with no FGA limits, KD went 14. Obviously Kawhi wasn't anything special in January of 2014, hadn't won his FMVP yet, but I don't think 2016 Kawhi would've gone top 14.

Just speaking for myself here: I'm not taking the FGA limit seriously to the point that I would actively choose a worse team in order to try to win as that seems pretty pointless. I don't know who I would have picked first between Durant or Kawhi as my #1 guy here, but I can certainly see an argument for Kawhi.

[MisterHibachi]

By the way is it significant to anyone else Kawhi was just drafted over Durant?

With real life implications? Not really. No one is going to sign Kawhi over KD just because he shoots less. In 2014 when we did this with no FGA limits, KD went 14. Obviously Kawhi wasn't anything special in January of 2014, hadn't won his FMVP yet, but I don't think 2016 Kawhi would've gone top 14.

Just speaking for myself here: I'm not taking the FGA limit seriously to the point that I would actively choose a worse team in order to try to win as that seems pretty pointless. I don't know who I would have picked first between Durant or Kawhi as my #1 guy here, but I can certainly see an argument for Kawhi.

But it does influence the thought process, no? Michael Jordan dropped to the 4th pick. I might end up changing years for Shaq to a non-peak year to get his FGA a bit lower. With no FGA limit, neither of those things would happen. I mean a certain all-time great Laker hasn't been taken yet and I suspect its mostly because of his FGA, not because he's hard to build around.

[Doctor MJ]

With real life implications? Not really. No one is going to sign Kawhi over KD just because he shoots less. In 2014 when we did this with no FGA limits, KD went 14. Obviously Kawhi wasn't anything special in January of 2014, hadn't won his FMVP yet, but I don't think 2016 Kawhi would've gone top 14.

Just speaking for myself here: I'm not taking the FGA limit seriously to the point that I would actively choose a worse team in order to try to win as that seems pretty pointless. I don't know who I would have picked first between Durant or Kawhi as my #1 guy here, but I can certainly see an argument for Kawhi.

But it does influence the thought process, no? Michael Jordan dropped to the 4th pick. I might end up changing years for Shaq to a non-peak year to get his FGA a bit lower. With no FGA limit, neither of those things would happen. I mean a certain all-time great Laker hasn't been taken yet and I suspect its mostly because of his FGA, not because he's hard to build around.

It clearly does for some but not for me. If this makes it so I can't win the game, that's too bad but I'll live with it.

I will say though that FGA constraints were first put in place in things like this to help encourage people to actually think about chemistry rather than having a team full of scorers - in other words to help them build better teams, not worse teams. So to me if what I'm doing fits with the spirit of such constraints I figure I'm good. I'm not going to go around tallying FGAs on bkref, but I am conscious of the need for balance and the compromise that players on my team would need to be willing to make in taking on roles of lower scoring primacy.

[wojoaderge]

Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to check RealGM for a few hours, and I was asked by Spaceman via PM to keep Anthony Davis for him, in case AustinCarr61 doesn't take him (Spaceman is not sure if he'll be around to make his selection himself, so he asked me to do it, just in case). Just letting you know guys, AD is basically off the board already.

I'm picking as well:



I'll probably use 1977-78 (not officially yet). Thank you, goodnight

[AustinCarr61]

With the 23rd Pick in the All Time Fantasy Draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers select:



Draymond Green, 2015-2016, 10.1 FGA/G
2nd in DPOY, All-NBA Second (?) Team, All-Defensive First Team, All Star
14.0 PTS @ 58.7 TS% (39% on 3.2 3PA/G), 9.5 TRB, 7.4 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.4 BLK, 115 Ortg, 100 Drtg, 19.3 PER, .190 WS/48, +5.9 BPM
18.2 PTS @ 57.7 TS% (44% on 4.6 3PA/G), 10.3 TRB, 7.1 AST, 1.6 STL, 2.4 BLK, 121 Ortg, 96 Drtg, 23.3 PER, .262 WS/48, +9.7 BPM

Is there anything this guy can't do? Shoot, ball handle, pass, set great screens, defend everyone from 1-5, rebound, lead a team (see the playoffs without Curry), defer to a superstar. Pretty much only volume scoring doesn't get checked off, but with Wade for the perimeter load and Duncan for the post, we've got that covered already. Maybe the best PnR screener this side of Garnett, and maybe the best horizontal defending big even including KG (heresy I know) due to his ability to switch onto anyone. I he's the prototypical modern player, and while the playoffs haven't finished yet his numbers (outside of PPG) are phenomenal. We know Diaw/Duncan works incredibly offensively, so now add the superior shooting and DPOY-defense of Green, and we're really getting somewhere.

The rationale for the pick at the time was simple - I thought a scorer (I expected Kobe actually) to drop to 43, whereas there was no way I could get a comparable impact to Green at such a low FGA outside the top 30.

[Timmaytime]

Alright since everyone before me has picked in some order and capacity..... (Dray, AD, McAdoo?)

Very few all-time greats that make sense next to Steph are still around so i'll go with the one that can probably best cover his weaknesses.

I cast Batman (Steph), now i'll cast Robin.