2018-19 Player of the Year Discussion Thread

Post #221 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:38 pm

E-Balla wrote:Thought I'd give it to Turner

I think his relatively low minutes has to eliminate him from consideration. But I agree he's been really really good.

E-Balla · Post #222 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:57 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Thought I'd give it to Turner

I think his relatively low minutes has to eliminate him from consideration. But I agree he's been really really good.

It's 2019 28.6 mpg isn't that low. Siakam is at 32.2 mpg, Gobert is at 31.6 mpg, Giannis is at 32.9 mpg. If minutes matter like that Paul George is literally the only acceptable answer since he's 4 mpg over the next closest contender for the award.

Colbinii · Post #223 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:02 pm

ardee wrote:Giannis actually managing to pull off MVP and DPoY in the same year would be bonkers.

Yeah that would be bonkers, especially for me as I have him as neither the MVP nor DPoY.

MelbourneBuck · Post #224 » by **MelbourneBuck** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:53 am

E-Balla wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Thought I'd give it to Turner

I think his relatively low minutes has to eliminate him from consideration. But I agree he's been really really good.

It's 2019 28.6 mpg isn't that low. Siakam is at 32.2 mpg, Gobert is at 31.6 mpg, Giannis is at 32.9 mpg. If minutes matter like that Paul George is literally the only acceptable answer since he's 4 mpg over the next closest contender for the award.

While this is true over the course of the season those differences add up. Turner has currently played 288 less minutes than Giannis who has the next lowest total of the players you mentioned.

That being said I do think George deserves enormous credit for his defense considering his mins and usage. I think if I had a vote I'd probably still give it to him even with OKCs recent problems.

One scenario I could see happening though is voters who go with Harden for MVP giving Giannis DPOY votes as a kind of consolation. In the end I don't think I'd have a problem with any of the guys mentioned winning it including Turner. Can make a strong case for any of them.

Colbinii · Post #225 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:05 pm

I was watching the game last night and couldn't help thinking how Nurkic was a top 5 center this season.

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GSP · Post #226 » by **GSP** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:21 pm

Colbinii wrote:I was watching the game last night and couldn't help thinking how Nurkic was a top 5 center this season.

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If he played every game like last night hed be the best center but he has inconsistencies

Jokic, Embiid, Gobert, Kat and Vucci are the clear top 5. Nurk is prolly 6th

E-Balla · Post #227 » by **E-Balla** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:37 pm

GSP wrote:
Colbinii wrote:I was watching the game last night and couldn't help thinking how Nurkic was a top 5 center this season.

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If he played every game like last night hed be the best center but he has inconsistencies

Jokic, Embiid, Gobert, Kat and Vucci are the clear top 5. Nurk is prolly 6th

AD? His half season beats out Nurk. He's only played 124 minutes more than AD.

Post #228 » by **bondom34** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:39 pm

Was interested to hear Lowe/Russillo a bit on awards. Both had Giannis as a clear MVP, DPOY to Gobert for Lowe (Russillo didn't really have one). All NBA centers were Embiid/Jokic/KAT (1 and 2 seemed interchangable), forwards Giannis/KD/PG/Lebron/Kawhi/Griffin. Guards were Curry/Harden, Dame 2nd team and Russillo had Kemba/Westbrook/Beal, Lowe had Kyrie/Westbrook/Beal iirc.

E-Balla · Post #229 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:28 am

bondom34 wrote:Was interested to hear Lowe/Russillo a bit on awards. Both had Giannis as a clear MVP, DPOY to Gobert for Lowe (Russillo didn't really have one). All NBA centers were Embiid/Jokic/KAT (1 and 2 seemed interchangable), forwards Giannis/KD/PG/Lebron/Kawhi/Griffin. Guards were Curry/Harden, Dame 2nd team and Russillo had Kemba/Westbrook/Beal, Lowe had Kyrie/Westbrook/Beal iirc.

Not too bad. Lebron 2nd team over Blake? Can't agree. Hell Lebron's played about 600 minutes less than Lamarcus, idk if he should even be All NBA. And drop Beal. Include Kemba and Kyrie.

Post #230 » by **bondom34** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:29 am

E-Balla wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Was interested to hear Lowe/Russillo a bit on awards. Both had Giannis as a clear MVP, DPOY to Gobert for Lowe (Russillo didn't really have one). All NBA centers were Embiid/Jokic/KAT (1 and 2 seemed interchangable), forwards Giannis/KD/PG/Lebron/Kawhi/Griffin. Guards were Curry/Harden, Dame 2nd team and Russillo had Kemba/Westbrook/Beal, Lowe had Kyrie/Westbrook/Beal iirc.

Not too bad. Lebron 2nd team over Blake? Can't agree. Hell Lebron's played about 600 minutes less than Lamarcus, idk if he should even be All NBA. And drop Beal. Include Kemba and Kyrie.

Yeah I feel the same, I don't know if Lebron is 3rd team let alone 2nd. Guards I had Beal over Kemba but it's close and I could flip at a moment's notice. TBH I don't even hate Beal and Kemba over Kyrie given Kyrie's....other stuff.

E-Balla · Post #231 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:31 am

bondom34 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Was interested to hear Lowe/Russillo a bit on awards. Both had Giannis as a clear MVP, DPOY to Gobert for Lowe (Russillo didn't really have one). All NBA centers were Embiid/Jokic/KAT (1 and 2 seemed interchangable), forwards Giannis/KD/PG/Lebron/Kawhi/Griffin. Guards were Curry/Harden, Dame 2nd team and Russillo had Kemba/Westbrook/Beal, Lowe had Kyrie/Westbrook/Beal iirc.

Not too bad. Lebron 2nd team over Blake? Can't agree. Hell Lebron's played about 600 minutes less than Lamarcus, idk if he should even be All NBA. And drop Beal. Include Kemba and Kyrie.

Yeah I feel the same, I don't know if Lebron is 3rd team let alone 2nd. Guards I had Beal over Kemba but it's close and I could flip at a moment's notice. TBH I don't even hate Beal and Kemba over Kyrie given Kyrie's....other stuff.

You mean his Cleveland 2.0 Bron impression? Yeah its annoying as hell.

Colbinii · Post #232 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:59 pm

E-Balla wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Not too bad. Lebron 2nd team over Blake? Can't agree. Hell Lebron's played about 600 minutes less than Lamarcus, idk if he should even be All NBA. And drop Beal. Include Kemba and Kyrie.

Yeah I feel the same, I don't know if Lebron is 3rd team let alone 2nd. Guards I had Beal over Kemba but it's close and I could flip at a moment's notice. TBH I don't even hate Beal and Kemba over Kyrie given Kyrie's....other stuff.

You mean his Cleveland 2.0 Bron impression? Yeah its annoying as hell.

Worse than LeBron imo.

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E-Balla · Post #233 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:51 pm

Colbinii wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Yeah I feel the same, I don't know if Lebron is 3rd team let alone 2nd. Guards I had Beal over Kemba but it's close and I could flip at a moment's notice. TBH I don't even hate Beal and Kemba over Kyrie given Kyrie's....other stuff.

You mean his Cleveland 2.0 Bron impression? Yeah its annoying as hell.

Worse than LeBron imo.

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Only seems worse because he's not as good. Remember the fit out thing? Lebron was insufferable. But there's only one Lebron. I can get 10-15 guys to do what Kyrie does minus being an ****.

Post #234 » by **bondom34** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:53 pm

E-Balla wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
E-Balla wrote:You mean his Cleveland 2.0 Bron impression? Yeah its annoying as hell.

Worse than LeBron imo.

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Only seems worse because he's not as good. Remember the fit out thing? Lebron was insufferable. But there's only one Lebron. I can get 10-15 guys to do what Kyrie does minus being an ****.

To be fair that's kinda why Lebron can do it though. He has much more clout.

Post #235 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:30 pm

I'm no Kyrie fan but you definitely can't come close to 15 guys who can do what he does offensively.

Still I agree with them that Kyrie walking isn't that bad a scenario for Boston. Tho it goes to show that people always overrate windows. Boston's contention window may close without having ever begun. They all all those value contracts and all those draft picks and no dead weight on the roster and they may peak as a 2nd tier Eastern Conference team.

Push your chips in right now teams. Learn from this.

Colbinii · Post #236 » by **Colbinii** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:41 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I'm no Kyrie fan but you definitely can't come close to 15 guys who can do what he does offensively.

Still I agree with them that Kyrie walking isn't that bad a scenario for Boston. Tho it goes to show that people always overrate windows. Boston's contention window may close without having ever begun. They all all those value contracts and all those draft picks and no dead weight on the roster and they may peak as a 2nd tier Eastern Conference team.

Push your chips in right now teams. Learn from this.

Potential doesn't win games.

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ShotCreator · Post #237 » by **ShotCreator** » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:27 pm

Vuc won't get it but he should get serious DPOY consideration if anybody is actually rationalizing robbing Gobert of it.

ardee · Post #238 » by **ardee** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:03 am

My All-NBA teams are pretty set honestly:

1st: Curry/Harden/PG/Giannis/Embiid
2nd: Dame/Russ/Durant/Kawhi/Jokic
3rd: Kyrie/Beal/LeBron/Blake/KAT

ardee · Post #239 » by **ardee** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:05 am

MVP is gonna go down the wire between the Beard and the Freak. This is probably the closest race in a while.

DPoY I like Gobert but I think Giannis deserves consideration... anchoring the best defense in the league not as a center is no joke.

GSP · Post #240 » by **GSP** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:30 am

ardee wrote:MVP is gonna go down the wire between the Beard and the Freak. This is probably the closest race in a while.

DPoY I like Gobert but I think Giannis deserves consideration... anchoring the best defense in the league not as a center is no joke.

Giannis still plays alot of minutes at the 5. He isnt a traditional fulltime C but they sure use him alot like one in their defensive schemes specially with no Brook on the floor