2020-21 NBA Season Discussion

[ShotCreator]

Curry should get 30/8/5 or something on a team like this.

[Homer38]

Curry should get 30/8/5 or something on a team like this.

or 35 PPG on 27 shot attempts per game...Wiggins is just brutal once again.

[Dr Positivity]

Early but Nets/Lakers finals would be fitting. Kyrie vs Lebron, Durant vs Lebron 4th finals matchup with 3 pairs of teams.

[TheGOATRises007]

Early but Nets/Lakers finals would be fitting. Kyrie vs Lebron, Durant vs Lebron 4th finals matchup with 3 pairs of teams.

Think the Lakers would stomp them personally, but it could be interesting.

[limbo]

Nets are talented and will be good, but the Warriors are making them look far better than they are... Kyrie and Durant won't be able to play rec-league isolation basketball for 48 minutes against a team like the Lakers. And when those 1v1 jumpers will be taken away and far better defended/contested, then we'll see how a team with Durant/Kyrie adjusts offensively. Good thing is that they have Dimwittie and LaVert who are both good playmakers in their own right, which should help out the offense.

[Peregrine01]

As bad as the Warriors are, quite clear that the Nets have an abundance of talent. Only real concern with them is if Kyrie and KD go to their iso-ball habits. Neither are great creators and I can see strong defenses bogging their offense down.

[toodles23]

If Draymond isn't close to his DPOY self this is going to be another brutal season for the Warriors. The supporting cast is terrible.

[Statlanta]

I think Durant's clearly lost a step from his OKC/GS days. Now the question is if that enough to beat Giannis and Butler en route to the Finals.

[freethedevil]

If Draymond isn't close to his DPOY self this is going to be another brutal season for the Warriors. The supporting cast is terrible.

Well the hope would be wiseman develops into a good stay at home protector to complient day and a lob threat for curry.

Hav eno idea why they trade or wiggins tho.


Still curry's created liek 15 open looks with everyone looking liek **** and his shot off. If the warriors develop well enough, they should be competitive at least.

[freethedevil]

Curry get 30/8/5 or something on a team like this.

he created 15 shots, which is exactly what you would expect an all time great creator to do on a team with **** creation outside of him.

Why can't people just accpet assists per game is a useless stat?

[Peregrine01]

I think the case for heliocentricity was on evident display watching these Warriors play. Kerr almost embodies the antithesis of that but trusting guys like Wiggins, Pascall and Chriss to consistently make intelligent reads is a recipe for heading back to the lottery.

If the Warriors want to have any hope of making the playoffs, they need to spam the heck out of the Steph/Dray high screen roll. Equal opportunity offense is just not gonna work here.

[limbo]

I think the case for heliocentricity was on evident display watching these Warriors play. Kerr almost embodies the antithesis of that but trusting guys like Wiggins, Pascall and Chriss to consistently make intelligent reads is a recipe for heading back to the lottery.

If the Warriors want to have any hope of making the playoffs, they need to spam the heck out of the Steph/Dray high screen roll. Equal opportunity offense is just not gonna work here.

I thought it was common knowledge that you can't take 4 scrubs and make them play like Bogut, Draymond, Klay and Iggy around Curry...

[Peregrine01]

I think the case for heliocentricity was on evident display watching these Warriors play. Kerr almost embodies the antithesis of that but trusting guys like Wiggins, Pascall and Chriss to consistently make intelligent reads is a recipe for heading back to the lottery.

If the Warriors want to have any hope of making the playoffs, they need to spam the heck out of the Steph/Dray high screen roll. Equal opportunity offense is just not gonna work here.

I thought it was common knowledge that you can't take 4 scrubs and make them play like Bogut, Draymond, Klay and Iggy around Curry...

I thought so too so it befuddles me the sets the Warriors were trying to run. A primary criticism of Kerr is that he's rather dogmatic in his ideas of how basketball should be played. It was painful to watch a decent ball movement possession end with Wiggins holding the ball for 3 seconds before turning it over.

[eminence]

The Warriors style is always going to look poor when first plugging new guys into major roles, will they wind up fitting, I kinda doubt it, but it's a little early to proclaim it dead (especially without their lead decision maker on the floor).

Oubre/Wanamaker/Wiseman all showed some promise in the system to me. Paschall/Wiggins not so much. Poole looked a lot more comfortable than last season too I think.

[Peregrine01]

It's rather ironic that Kerr and D'Antoni are as closely connected as they are when their philosophies are as diammetrically opposed as can be. One is perhaps the biggest advocate for egalitarianism while the other is the embodiment of the "give the ball to your best creator and let him work" school.

It's worth noting that those D'Antoni Houston teams with Paul/Harden produced offenses on par with the Steph/Kd Warriors despite having less overall talent.

[MyUniBroDavis]

It's rather ironic that Kerr and D'Antoni are as closely connected as they are when their philosophies are as diammetrically opposed as can be. One is perhaps the biggest advocate for egalitarianism while the other is the embodiment of the "give the ball to your best creator and let him work" school.

It's worth noting that those D'Antoni Houston teams with Paul/Harden produced offenses on par with the Steph/Kd Warriors despite having less overall talent.

You have to keep in mind that the steph/kd warriors were alot better in the playoffs than any of those houstan teams offensively. Houstans switchyness makes rhem very good to guard the warriors specifically with how curry kinda struggles against switchy defenses at times, but even in that series that went to 7 the rockets kinda sucked offensively, their defense carried them and people try to make 5head arguments that they harden shots on outpose to fuel their defense when they basically were doing the same thing as usual lol


This isnt saying anything about either offense, kerr knows currys a weapon off ball but goddamn give the man the damn ball more lol, and heliocentric offenses clearly can work crazy well, picture of bron.

Both prolly hit extremes though, houstan prolly would benefit from having more counters and we saw them struggle vs a high iq adjustment coach in vogel (its funny how everyone was like zomg this is the only way to defend houstan when utah pulled their 5head defense and the lakers ran a 2-3 zone and an on fire from three houstan just went limp). The warriors def dont get curryy the ball enough and its kind of dumb, but i think theyll be a playoff team, not a contender though. Im curious how the curry and dray p and r will be, it should still be fine unless the guys around then are really thaaat incompetent

[MisterHibachi]

So is James Harden pretty much throwing a hissy fit while endangering the whole season?

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[Doctor MJ]

It's rather ironic that Kerr and D'Antoni are as closely connected as they are when their philosophies are as diammetrically opposed as can be. One is perhaps the biggest advocate for egalitarianism while the other is the embodiment of the "give the ball to your best creator and let him work" school.

It's worth noting that those D'Antoni Houston teams with Paul/Harden produced offenses on par with the Steph/Kd Warriors despite having less overall talent.

2 things though:

1. Despite the fact that Kerr & D'Antoni are super-positive in their demeanor and tend to embrace the idea that they are tied together, their time in Phoenix together was not as allies. Remember that D'Antoni was GM before Kerr. Kerr comes in, trades Marion for Shaq, and soon after replaces D'Antoni with Terry Porter. D'Antoni said all the right things about being on board with the trade, but c'mon, this was not two guys with the same perspective.

2. I'd note that they agree on pace & space which is what the 21st century revolution has been all about. Where Kerr diverges from D'Antoni is also where I think you can see Phil Jackson's influence on him.

Anyway, it's going to be really interesting to see how rigid Kerr is here. In theory, you want to groom these guys to be able to play the style that will be best when Klay comes back, but you have to be realistic about what to expect from players too.

I will say though:

Kerr's tendency toward playing everybody in the regular season is a really good thing here. I expect everyone will get a chance to "audition" for a role playing with Curry going forward, and guys are going to get enough repetition that hopefully they figure things out with time.

I think about KCP on the Lakers. There's a guy who took a lot longer time than he might have to really fit right with LeBron, but the potential was there and eventually he turned the corner (hopefully permanently). If Wiggins & Oubre suck for a while but one of them eventually figures it out, boom, you've got your starting 5 for the forseeable future once Klay gets back.

Such is the state of the Warriors though that that's only the problem with 2 out of the 4 concerning positions. What do you do if Dray's not Dray? What if Wiseman isn't wise enough to stay on the court against top competition?

Lots of ways to imagine the Warrior re-launch just never quite working.

On the other hand, things look a bit different in the grand scope of things. The Warriors will likely be an afterthought for a while, but I still think it's very possible that the Splash Brothers can come back fully healthy and be awesome to an advanced age. They alone are not enough to win you a title, but they are a good start and will hopefully make it as easy as possible for Wiseman to get effective.

Last note:

The Warriors FO is in serious danger of looking like a joke, which is a remarkable turn of events given how many key good decisions they made in the mid-10s.

Obviously if Wiseman becomes a superstar, they're going to look alright. If he busts hard they'll get criticism but drafting is a risk and I try not to get too worked up about a single draft pick particularly when the team picked a guy that at least made sense.

To some degree you could say the same stuff about Oubre just to a lesser degree. Oubre's not going to be a superstar, but if he really works to the point of being a big minute starter who can function with Klay, Warriors are going to look pretty smart at least on that front.

But the Russell-then-Wiggins sequence is something else. From the moment they signed Russell this has been in the "WTF? Well I guess we'll see how it all turns out." The Warriors doubled down on this when traded the guy they overpaid for, for a guy even worse earning more.

If Wiggins doesn't figure it out with the Warriors there's a real danger that he's the millstone that appears to keep the Warriors from contending for the forseeable future. And if that becomes the case, the mocking of the "light years ahead" organization will be something fierce.

[Peregrine01]

It's rather ironic that Kerr and D'Antoni are as closely connected as they are when their philosophies are as diammetrically opposed as can be. One is perhaps the biggest advocate for egalitarianism while the other is the embodiment of the "give the ball to your best creator and let him work" school.

It's worth noting that those D'Antoni Houston teams with Paul/Harden produced offenses on par with the Steph/Kd Warriors despite having less overall talent.

Anyway, it's going to be really interesting to see how rigid Kerr is here. In theory, you want to groom these guys to be able to play the style that will be best when Klay comes back, but you have to be realistic about what to expect from players too.

Regarding this: I think it may be too much to expect from a lot of players to play in the read and react type offense that Kerr covets. The "beautiful offense" teams that we've seen in recent years (Spurs 2014, Warriors 2015-2019) were composed of high IQ vets, an abundance of strong playmakers, AND long team continuity. The current Warriors have none of that.

And given that the Warriors org has clearly taken tanking out of the equation and made perennial title contention the cornerstone of their goals, it'll be peculiar to see just how long Kerr sticks with this style of play. IMO, the other Warriors would be so much better off playing off the Steph/Dray pick and roll anyway.

[eminence]

Jazz looked great in their first game out in Portland, offense looked sharp, Rudy dominated the glass, Ingles/Favors bench PnR back in full force.