Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley

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Who will be the better player?

Anthony Randolph
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Michael Beasley
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#221 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:33 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:Dude, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about whether GS fans overrate their players heavily. As a whole they are one of the 3 biggest homer fanbases on this site. I would go back and search for ridiculous threads but the forum only allows you to go back 1 year.

And BTW, the Monta Ellis hype was 2 summers ago and last summer after he put up 19-4.5-3.5. I would go back and search for threads from the last 2 summers but as I said the search function only goes back 1 year and I can't search threads from last summer.


:lol: YOU'RE RIDICULES, SO FULL OF IT! And you can go back further than a year, I just went back 21 months! :lol:

Check out this one from TWENTY ONE MONTHS AGO!

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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#222 » by Baller 24 » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:35 pm

Both of these guys are easily becoming as overrated prospect wise as Bynum, although there might be some kind of potential, it doesn't matter either way, they aren't benevolent in any kind of success right now.
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#223 » by Jimmy76 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:36 am

Think ill turn to my new advanced stats fetish :D (just a note TRB% is the amount of avalible rebounds they grab block% number of potential shots they block, etc etc its useful because it takes pace and minutes out of the equation)

SCORING

Randolph put up 8ppg on .506 ts% thats not many points on terrible efficiency
Beasley put up 14 ppg on .528 ts% acceptable efficeincy for a rookie (he needs to up it though to be a good scorer)

"Tears" Randolph has better than average handles for a PF but he isn't going to take anyone off the dribble consistently, he has a lot of work ahead of him before we can say that he has a go to post game, and his jumper doesnt extend far and is inconsistent as of now. He cant create for himself and even on what others create for him he is pretty inefficient.

Beasley can take people off the dribble, has a sweet jumper than extends to the three point line, and a fantastic touch around the basket. His post game has been useless in the nba so far though it may prove more effective against SF's if he can move to that position. His efficeincy was mediocre this year but is better than the efficiency of a lot of big scorer rookies (beas had .528, rose .516, durant .519, lebron .488).

I expect both of them to improve significantly efficeincy and production wise but it is pretty clear
Beasley is a much better scorer.

ON TO REBOUNDS!!!!!

Randolph had a TRB% of 17.5
Beasley had a TRB% of 13

Randolph wins this hands down and this isnt one of those stats that generally increases throughout ones career. Beasley's may go up (or down) but he isn't catching randolph. Randolph is the superior rebounder hands down no question.%

DEFENSE!@?!@>#@

Randolph has a block percentage of 4.5% (Dwight has 6% for reference)
Beasley has a block percentage of 1.5

Obviously blocks arent everything on D but it does tell you something and that is that Randolph is (at least potentially) gonna a much bigger force in the paint than Beasley.

The oh-so-wonderful eye test favors Randolph as well. Beas is just not smart on the defensive end, he misses rotations and his man d is not all that impressive either. Its pretty obvious from watching him even to a layperson hes not a good defender. Admittedly ive only seen Randolph sparsely but
he didnt do a whole lot that made me think wow this guy is a bad defender like Beas did. The block percentages and physical stats make me inclined to think that Randolph has the potential to be a great defender (hands up if you think his D potential will be lost on the defensive monster that is the warriors!) where I will be content to see King Supercool himself be an ok defender.

Defense to Randolph pretty clearly

PASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSING

Randolph has an assist percentage of 6.8%
Beasley has an assist percentage of 7.7%

Neither of them are amazing but Rehab manages to get his teamates points a little more often than Babyface. These stats clinch it though.

Anthony Randolph TOV% (turnover percentage) of 14
Beasley TOV% of 10

Randolph turns it over almost 1.5 times as much as Beasley aka for you folks you dont like numbers (why are you reading this then and howd you get this far?) a hell of a lot more. Beasley has a slightly better A/TO ratio as well at .7 to Randolphs .6. So Beasley assists an insy weensy bit more BUT there is a huge difference in turnovers. (assist to turnover ratio doesnt change that much through your career either, from a 19 year old rookie to a 35 year old vet itll pretty much be the same)

So contrary to popular belief "Magic" Randolph is bad, bad passer and even though Daddy Beaz isn't very good passer either he is pretty clearly significantly better than Randolph.

Passing:Beasley

So what it comes down to is what youre looking for. Rebounding and defence? Stick Randolph. Scoring and generally better offensive play? Beasley. They are two entirely different players. Randolph is pretty clearly a pf (he's somewhere between 6'10 and 8'10 has a bad jumper and does what he does best around the rim) and although Beasley can play pf he is an sf at heart. One will be a big rebounding defensive (unless nellie gets to him) PF and the other will be a scoring forward (kinda odd how the D one is on GS and the scorer is the one the HEAT).

This is something that should be revaluated after both players develop more and if Beasley ends up at SF it becomes a lot harder to do since the expectations for each ones role becomes radically different. However as of now if i had to take one on a totally fresh team it would be Beasley. He has first option on a championship team potential and will likely develop into a second option on a championship team type guy at the very least if the whole father/coke/immaturity thing doesnt get to him first. Riskier choice but i like going for it all. :wink:
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#224 » by KR4 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:33 am

Great post Jimmy.
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#225 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:12 pm

YOU'RE ALL COWARDS, STEP UP AND MAKE PREDICTIONS

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Well, I think it's time to end the argument and everyone should put predictions out on what they think the players will do next season. Not saying next season is where it ends, but you get the point.

PREDICTION TIME! Use the same format I did.

Randolph
MPG 33.4
PPG 15.8
RPG 8.7
APG 2.3
SPG 1.2
BPG 1.5
FG% 475
3P% 200
FT% 768
TO 2.1

Beasley
MPG 34.2
PPG 17.8
RPG 7.0
APG 1.8
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.7
FG% 478
3P% 378
FT% 789
TO 2.1

My two big quetions
How will Beasley do after the hard summer?
Will Randolph stay out of the Nelly dog House?
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#226 » by Wade2k6 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:40 pm

I think your predictions look pretty good. I'd say Beasley should probably average about 7.5 boards and be around 50% from the field though.
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#227 » by Jimmy76 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:10 pm

The way i see them if they pan out
Randolph 15/10/2.5(blocks) TS% 54
Beasley (at sf) 23/6/2/1 TS% 56

i mean prime years just to be clear
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#228 » by KR4 » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:35 pm

You don't think that Randolph will average more points in his prime?
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#229 » by CB4MiamiHeat » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:41 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
5Strong wrote:From an interview with the Warriors General Manager:

Cohn: I assume Randolph will be your 4 this year.

Riley: That would be a correct assumption in my discussions with Nellie.


Either way, the proof will be in the pudding this coming season. Randolph has earned the starting PF spot to start the season, and now we'll be able to see how he does in starter's minutes.


You know they are going to complain if he doesn't get 20/10.

Well, I think it's time to end the argument and everyone should put predictions out on what they think the players will do next season. Not saying next season is where it ends, but you get the point.

PREDICTION TIME! Use the same format I did.

Randolph
MPG 33.4
PPG 15.8
RPG 8.7
APG 2.3
SPG 1.2
BPG 1.5
FG% 475
3P% 200
FT% 768
TO 2.1

Beasley
MPG 34.2
PPG 17.8
RPG 7.0
APG 1.8
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.7
FG% 478
3P% 378
FT% 789
TO 2.1

My two big quetions
How will Beasley do after the hard summer?
Will Randolph stay out of the Nelly dog House?


Randolph isnt the same type of scorer as Beasley, it showed in college and last season. If both were to get the same amount of minutes i expect Beasley to score more PPG pretty clearly.

Randolph
11pts 8rbds 47%fg

Beasley (assuming he starts at SF)
16pts 6.5rbds 49%fg
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#230 » by Jimmy76 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:45 am

KR4 wrote:You don't think that Randolph will average more points in his prime?


I just dont see how he is supposed to put up 20ppg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyybTWn ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TJARASN ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxhQ3JA ... re=related

Just watch the videos hes getting all of his points on putbacks and shooting or driving immediately after receiving a pass from a teamate. He will probably be very very good at it but no one who scores like that is ever a go to guy on offence.

His scoring is very analogous to shawn marion actually who managed to get up to 20ppg but he did it in ssol and with nash (who is a godsend to players who cant create but finish well) so barring those kinds of conditions or him developing a post or off the dribble game (he has some post abilities and some off the dribble abilities but nothing that indicates it will be a go to kind of thing) he is way more likely to put up points in the 15ppg range rather than 20-25. Id rather see him improve his efficiency and focus on what he can already do very well than try to start scoring in quantity.
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#231 » by turk3d » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:01 am

Randolph will continue to improve his scoring and we should see a significant jump now that he's getting more playing time. The key to it is his outside game, which improved a great deal towards the end of last season and seems to have continued during summer league. There's a lot of guys who come into the league and who's shooting improved after their first year.

For example,

Dirk - 40.5
Durant - 43.0
Kobe - 41.7
Lebron - 41.7

AR shot 46.2 last year (that after a slow start) higher than Bosh's 45.9 his first year. I expect (just like Bosh) that it will go up in succeeding years.
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#232 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:26 am

Though Randolph does need to work on his jump shot (really, really needs to work on his jump shot) he doesn't just score off of dunks and put backs. He actually only averages 1.8 PPG off of dunks and tips.... if anything he should dunk more.

He's never going to score like Kobe, LeBron or Wade but he can still put a lot of point on the board.

A lot of those shots he's creating himself, so now worries.

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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#233 » by ARownsBeasley » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:48 am

i want any of these tools that mock the GSW fans to put down some number predictions for AR this season
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#234 » by turk3d » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:48 pm

Even though I'm not "one of those tools" here's my prediction for AR next season and a comparison with some of the Power Forwards productions at a similar stage. I'm going to count this as Randolph's 1st season (there's no question he would have been a starter on any young team with a low winning % other than Nellie) since this is the first season he gets to start and he's only 20 years old (should be in college another 2 or 3 years). I'll include 2nd year for a few as well.

Points & Rebounds (1st year and 2nd for some)
Tim Duncan - 21,12
Charles Barkely - 14, 8.6
Dirk - 8.2, 3.4 1st, 17.5, 6.5 2nd
KG - 10.4, 6.3 1st, 17, 8 2nd
Chris Bosh - 11.5, 7.4 1st, 16.8, 8.9 2nd
Boozer 10, 7.5 1st, 15.5, 11.4 2nd
Amare - 13.5, 8.8 1st, 20.6, 9.0 2nd

My prediction for Randolph this season: 18 & 9 (maybe 10), but I'll go 9 to be on the safe side.

I don't know or care what Beasley does.
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#235 » by rpa » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:51 pm

What an epic thread. It's like a 15 car pileup: I just can't look away no matter how hard I try.

Anyways, is it confirmed that Randolph will be the starter? Or is this just assumed based on his SL play?

For the record, my completely unscientific guess of Randolph & Beasley's numbers this year:

AR - 11/6 w/ 1.6 blocks and 1.4 steals. My opinion is that he's too raw to see major minutes without Nellie yanking him from the game after a couple out of control plays/bad decisions.

MB - 16/7 but next to nothing as far as defensive numbers go. I think he benefits from the fact that the Heat have Wade (which moves the defensive pressure away from Beasley) but also don't have much else as far as scoring options (which will put the ball in his hands--in scoring situations--more often)


As for who I'd take. Hard to say really. With Beasley, you have a guy who's looking like a great scorer and good rebounder but not much else. He may not be a cancer yet but he's starting to remind me a little of Zach Randolph because of his lack of an all around game (focusing almost solely on points on rebounding). Randolph, on the other hand, looks to have a much more well rounded game but: a) I think his lack of scoring ability is going to hold him back from ever being a big time star (like a Shawn Marion or a Ben Wallace), b) He's still incredibly raw, & c) How well he can add muscle to his frame is still a relative unknown (despite claims of adding 30 pounds of muscle before lunch).

In the end I'd probably take Randolph knowing that there's still a chance he'll bust or hit a ceiling because:
a) I personally believe that points & individual rebounds are the 2 most overrated stats in the game. It's not about how much you score, it's about how you do it. It's not about how many rebounds you grab, it's about how well your team rebounds [with you in the game]. I tend to dislike players that are supposed to be star caliber who are PPG/RPG centric with little else on the table.
b) I think a defensive player at the 3/4 who can also create some offensive mismatches is more valuable than a big time scorer.
c) Beasley may grow up but his problems this summer aren't a good thing at all.
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#236 » by Ortho Stice » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:54 pm

Is a summer of Randolph devouring summer league scraps and Beasley getting horrendous tattoos really enough to make one player significantly leapfrog the other in the public's opinion? Beasley's a chocolate Bird, Randolph a chocolate Kirilenko. The former's game is predicated on a highly refined offensive repertoire, the latter's on several cups of coffee/cans of Redbull. If the question "Anthony Randolph vs. Micheal Beasley?" truly means "Summer league champion vs. summer pothead" then it's understandable morally sound citizens like the majority of RealGM posters would choose the respectable Randolph. But if we're basing this on the better NBA basketball player, you'd have to be a huge Golden State homer to think Randolph is better in any regard other than frenetically scrambling around the court, gambling at the possibility of blocking a players' shot, or tipping in/dunking a woeful teammates' clanker. Sure, copy & paste this paragraph and post it everywhere at the end of next season when Randolph's transformed into a "seven-foot" version of Micheal Jordan, while Beasley's backside is grafted to his couch due to never getting up from a constant high from dank headies :roll:.
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#237 » by eslr » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:04 pm

turk3d wrote:Even though I'm not "one of those tools" here's my prediction for AR next season and a comparison with some of the Power Forwards productions at a similar stage. I'm going to count this as Randolph's 1st season (there's no question he would have been a starter on any young team with a low winning % other than Nellie) since this is the first season he gets to start and he's only 20 years old (should be in college another 2 or 3 years). I'll include 2nd year for a few as well.

Points & Rebounds (1st year and 2nd for some)
Tim Duncan - 21,12
Charles Barkely - 14, 8.6
Dirk - 8.2, 3.4 1st, 17.5, 6.5 2nd
KG - 10.4, 6.3 1st, 17, 8 2nd
Chris Bosh - 11.5, 7.4 1st, 16.8, 8.9 2nd
Boozer 10, 7.5 1st, 15.5, 11.4 2nd
Amare - 13.5, 8.8 1st, 20.6, 9.0 2nd

My prediction for Randolph this season: 18 & 9 (maybe 10), but I'll go 9 to be on the safe side.

I don't know or care what Beasley does.


:o :o :o :o EPIC!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o

This is how Randolph gets so ridiculously overrated. You are comparing him to hall of famers like Dirk, KG, Barkley, and say that "on the safe side" he will put up superior stats in his sophomore season. This is GREAT! Why didn't you include Magic Johnsons 2nd year stats? Or Brons?

I also enjoy how he gets a mulligan for his rookie season, because now he finally "gets" to start. AWESOME!
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#238 » by princeofpalace » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:13 pm

eslr wrote:
turk3d wrote:Even though I'm not "one of those tools" here's my prediction for AR next season and a comparison with some of the Power Forwards productions at a similar stage. I'm going to count this as Randolph's 1st season (there's no question he would have been a starter on any young team with a low winning % other than Nellie) since this is the first season he gets to start and he's only 20 years old (should be in college another 2 or 3 years). I'll include 2nd year for a few as well.

Points & Rebounds (1st year and 2nd for some)
Tim Duncan - 21,12
Charles Barkely - 14, 8.6
Dirk - 8.2, 3.4 1st, 17.5, 6.5 2nd
KG - 10.4, 6.3 1st, 17, 8 2nd
Chris Bosh - 11.5, 7.4 1st, 16.8, 8.9 2nd
Boozer 10, 7.5 1st, 15.5, 11.4 2nd
Amare - 13.5, 8.8 1st, 20.6, 9.0 2nd

My prediction for Randolph this season: 18 & 9 (maybe 10), but I'll go 9 to be on the safe side.

I don't know or care what Beasley does.


:o :o :o :o EPIC!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o

This is how Randolph gets so ridiculously overrated. You are comparing him to hall of famers like Dirk, KG, Barkley, and say that "on the safe side" he will put up superior stats in his sophomore season. This is GREAT! Why didn't you include Magic Johnsons 2nd year stats? Or Brons?


I agree, when people make comments like he's gonna 'be KG on defense and Amare on offense'- people are bound to start laughing at homerism.
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#239 » by WadeKnicks2010 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:28 pm

Not even LeBron/Kobe discussions go on for this long...
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Re: Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley 

Post#240 » by Jimmy76 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:48 pm

Ortho Stice wrote:Is a summer of Randolph devouring summer league scraps and Beasley getting horrendous tattoos really enough to make one player significantly leapfrog the other in the public's opinion? Beasley's a chocolate Bird, Randolph a chocolate Kirilenko. The former's game is predicated on a highly refined offensive repertoire, the latter's on several cups of coffee/cans of Redbull. If the question "Anthony Randolph vs. Micheal Beasley?" truly means "Summer league champion vs. summer pothead" then it's understandable morally sound citizens like the majority of RealGM posters would choose the respectable Randolph. But if we're basing this on the better NBA basketball player, you'd have to be a huge Golden State homer to think Randolph is better in any regard other than frenetically scrambling around the court, gambling at the possibility of blocking a players' shot, or tipping in/dunking a woeful teammates' clanker. Sure, copy & paste this paragraph and post it everywhere at the end of next season when Randolph's transformed into a "seven-foot" version of Micheal Jordan, while Beasley's backside is grafted to his couch due to never getting up from a constant high from dank headies :roll:.


+1

Though i wouldnt put "GOAT" Randolphs game in such harsh terms itll be a pretty effective frenetic scrambling

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