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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2241 » by Rapcity_11 » Sat May 29, 2021 3:06 am

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HeartBreakKid wrote:I mean there is one thing that kind of blows up that entire narrative.

The Bucks could have gotten better? I mean that seems like a pretty big detail to miss out.

The Heat were not a fluke...not sure how they benefited from the bubble more than anyone else. It's the same handicap for everyone, if they're a fluke then so are the Lakers.


The Heat were 15-22 on the road last year. They literally benefited more than anyone else, considering they had HCA is none of the series.


I'm well aware, that still doesn't give an objective handicap advantage. They all go into the bubble with the same rules, and if anything neutral fans would make it more balanced.

Not to mention the Heat had Bam (3rd year, raw), Duncan (2nd year), Herro (1st year) and Nunn (1st year, injured in bubble).

So naturally a lot of those Heat players improved during the hiatus prior to the bubble. I'm not sure how "THEY SUCK ON THE ROAD, GOT LUCKY" is the primary narrative and not the fact that they had 4 super young players who likely just improved considerably with their time to practice.

Their rookies essentially became 2nd year players, and Bam essentially entered his prime. In other words, the Heat were better than their record because....they literally became better players. Nothing flukeish about players working hard on their craft, while some players in the NBA decided not to touch a basketball prior to the bubble. That's quite the opposite of a fluke.

Either way, the idea that a team won 14 games in the playoffs are a FLUKE team totally undermines what the word fluke even means.


It literally is an objective handicap advantage for all teams with negative home/road splits. All of a sudden, the Heat has ZERO roads games. That's a MASSIVE factor. Does anyone honestly think they make the finals if they have to play road games?

The theory about 2nd year players, Bam, etc. completely falls apart considering how they played this year in the RS and the PS.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2242 » by HeartBreakKid » Sat May 29, 2021 3:08 am

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The Heat were 15-22 on the road last year. They literally benefited more than anyone else, considering they had HCA is none of the series.


I'm well aware, that still doesn't give an objective handicap advantage. They all go into the bubble with the same rules, and if anything neutral fans would make it more balanced.

Not to mention the Heat had Bam (3rd year, raw), Duncan (2nd year), Herro (1st year) and Nunn (1st year, injured in bubble).

So naturally a lot of those Heat players improved during the hiatus prior to the bubble. I'm not sure how "THEY SUCK ON THE ROAD, GOT LUCKY" is the primary narrative and not the fact that they had 4 super young players who likely just improved considerably with their time to practice.

Their rookies essentially became 2nd year players, and Bam essentially entered his prime. In other words, the Heat were better than their record because....they literally became better players. Nothing flukeish about players working hard on their craft, while some players in the NBA decided not to touch a basketball prior to the bubble. That's quite the opposite of a fluke.

Either way, the idea that a team won 14 games in the playoffs are a FLUKE team totally undermines what the word fluke even means.


It literally is an objective handicap advantage for all teams with negative home/road splits. All of a sudden, the Heat has ZERO roads games. That's a MASSIVE factor. Does anyone honestly think they make the finals if they have to play road games?

The theory about 2nd year players, Bam, etc. completely falls apart considering how they played this year in the RS and the PS.


The theory falls apart that young players gt better the more time they play in the NBA? Oh, okay.

The Heat had a ton of injuries and missed time...which you know, is a lot more "objective" than HCA.

And sophomore slumps? You know Ja Morant was worse this year?

You're right, they got lucky. Jimmy Butler was basically slipping on a banana peel when he was dropping 40 points. Those 3 teams they beat should have brought 4 leaf clovers and rabbit foots into the bubble.
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Post#2243 » by eminence » Sat May 29, 2021 3:09 am

Big props to Tatum and the rest of the Celtics.
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Post#2244 » by eminence » Sat May 29, 2021 3:12 am

Oh nvm for a bit, terrible overturn though.

Edit: Okay, we should be good.
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Post#2245 » by GSP » Sat May 29, 2021 3:14 am

Proud of our fight we didnt roll over and quit like frauds like Miami
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Post#2246 » by Prez » Sat May 29, 2021 3:19 am

Harden/KD with the cool 80 on 75% TS lmao. These dudes are insane.
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Post#2247 » by HeartBreakKid » Sat May 29, 2021 3:23 am

the refs were really wylin out for the Nets the last 3 or 4 minutes. 3 phantom calls and a crazy overturn.
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Post#2248 » by MisterHibachi » Sat May 29, 2021 3:23 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:the refs were really wylin out for the Nets the last 3 or 4 minutes. 3 phantom calls and a crazy overturn.


No idea how they decided to overturn that charge call.
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Post#2249 » by MisterHibachi » Sat May 29, 2021 3:25 am

Man, I think Carlisle sitting Luka in the middle of the first quarter might've cost them the game. Lost the whole lead during that stretch and now the Clippers seem to be on a roll and in control.
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Post#2250 » by PaulieWal » Sat May 29, 2021 3:30 am

Dupp wrote:Luka is so insane . Rich mans lebron


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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2251 » by Rapcity_11 » Sat May 29, 2021 3:56 am

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I'm well aware, that still doesn't give an objective handicap advantage. They all go into the bubble with the same rules, and if anything neutral fans would make it more balanced.

Not to mention the Heat had Bam (3rd year, raw), Duncan (2nd year), Herro (1st year) and Nunn (1st year, injured in bubble).

So naturally a lot of those Heat players improved during the hiatus prior to the bubble. I'm not sure how "THEY SUCK ON THE ROAD, GOT LUCKY" is the primary narrative and not the fact that they had 4 super young players who likely just improved considerably with their time to practice.

Their rookies essentially became 2nd year players, and Bam essentially entered his prime. In other words, the Heat were better than their record because....they literally became better players. Nothing flukeish about players working hard on their craft, while some players in the NBA decided not to touch a basketball prior to the bubble. That's quite the opposite of a fluke.

Either way, the idea that a team won 14 games in the playoffs are a FLUKE team totally undermines what the word fluke even means.


It literally is an objective handicap advantage for all teams with negative home/road splits. All of a sudden, the Heat has ZERO roads games. That's a MASSIVE factor. Does anyone honestly think they make the finals if they have to play road games?

The theory about 2nd year players, Bam, etc. completely falls apart considering how they played this year in the RS and the PS.


The theory falls apart that young players gt better the more time they play in the NBA? Oh, okay.

The Heat had a ton of injuries and missed time...which you know, is a lot more "objective" than HCA.

And sophomore slumps? You know Ja Morant was worse this year?

You're right, they got lucky. Jimmy Butler was basically slipping on a banana peel when he was dropping 40 points. Those 3 teams they beat should have brought 4 leaf clovers and rabbit foots into the bubble.


The theory that the Heat guys got massively better falls apart when we saw the team revert to the same middling level this year.

Even when healthy the heat haven't been that good.

Again, do you think the Heat make the finals last year if they have to play road games?

So first you say young players get better and then say Morant got worse this year. What was your point exactly?
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2252 » by MisterHibachi » Sat May 29, 2021 4:05 am

KP has been so disappointing tonight. He's not adding anything.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2253 » by HeartBreakKid » Sat May 29, 2021 4:07 am

MisterHibachi wrote:KP has been so disappointing tonight. He's not adding anything.

Disappointing? Sounds like a typical KP night.
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Post#2254 » by MartinToVaught » Sat May 29, 2021 4:24 am

It's not often the Clippers prove my cynicism wrong in the playoffs, but they did it tonight. I was fully expecting a sweep after Game 1, let alone Game 2.

I'm not sure they can do this three more times, it might have just been the vintage "trying extra hard to avoid a sweep" game. But at least there's hope.
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Post#2255 » by Colbinii » Sat May 29, 2021 4:28 am

MartinToVaught wrote:It's not often the Clippers prove my cynicism wrong in the playoffs, but they did it tonight. I was fully expecting a sweep after Game 1, let alone Game 2.

I'm not sure they can do this three more times, it might have just been the vintage "trying extra hard to avoid a sweep" game. But at least there's hope.


Lue's teams typically improve over the course of the series.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2256 » by HeartBreakKid » Sat May 29, 2021 4:29 am

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MartinToVaught wrote:It's not often the Clippers prove my cynicism wrong in the playoffs, but they did it tonight. I was fully expecting a sweep after Game 1, let alone Game 2.

I'm not sure they can do this three more times, it might have just been the vintage "trying extra hard to avoid a sweep" game. But at least there's hope.


Lue's teams typically improve over the course of the series.

That's cause after game 2 Lue realizes he has a playbook and opens it for the first time all season.
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Post#2257 » by Colbinii » Sat May 29, 2021 4:33 am

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MartinToVaught wrote:It's not often the Clippers prove my cynicism wrong in the playoffs, but they did it tonight. I was fully expecting a sweep after Game 1, let alone Game 2.

I'm not sure they can do this three more times, it might have just been the vintage "trying extra hard to avoid a sweep" game. But at least there's hope.


Lue's teams typically improve over the course of the series.

That's cause after game 2 Lue realizes he has a playbook and opens it for the first time all season.


Yup, and it takes him a while to identity his best rotations.

Not so hot take--whoever wins game 4 wins the series. Hotter take--whoever won game 3 won the series.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2258 » by GSP » Sat May 29, 2021 4:34 am

Prez wrote:Harden/KD with the cool 80 on 75% TS lmao. These dudes are insane.


Yall have the perfect defense and defenders to lock them down. Youll set them back to reality.
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Post#2259 » by MartinToVaught » Sat May 29, 2021 4:37 am

For those who were questioning Kawhi's ability to lead a team:

Read on Twitter


This was like LeBron's Game 6 against the Celtics in 2012. Kawhi's whole legacy was on the line tonight and he dominated like a two-time FMVP should.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2260 » by PaulieWal » Sat May 29, 2021 4:46 am

MartinToVaught wrote:
This was like LeBron's Game 6 against the Celtics in 2012. Kawhi's whole legacy was on the line tonight and he dominated like a two-time FMVP should.


Not even close man. No need for wild exaggerations.
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