PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics]

[eminence]

Ryan Crouser is the greatest athlete of all-time.

The pole vaulter will be taking that title

Nah, pole vaulting is fringe garbage only available to the affluent.

Throwing rocks is the sport of the proletariat.

[jalengreen]

Ryan Crouser is the greatest athlete of all-time.

The pole vaulter will be taking that title

Nah, pole vaulting is fringe garbage only available to the affluent.

Throwing rocks is the sport of the proletariat.

Tbh this is why I think Bolt is the actual GOAT. What athletic activity is more core to the human condition than running?

[Doctor MJ]

The pole vaulter will be taking that title

Nah, pole vaulting is fringe garbage only available to the affluent.

Throwing rocks is the sport of the proletariat.

Tbh this is why I think Bolt is the actual GOAT. What athletic activity is more core to the human condition than running?

I’d say it’s our hands that really make us us, so let only sports like running and soccer are essentially anti-human.


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[eminence]

The pole vaulter will be taking that title

Nah, pole vaulting is fringe garbage only available to the affluent.

Throwing rocks is the sport of the proletariat.

Tbh this is why I think Bolt is the actual GOAT. What athletic activity is more core to the human condition than running?

The Big 4, no order:
-Run real fast for a short distance (Bolt)
-Run pretty fast for a long distance (Bekele)
-Lift a rock (??? I dunno on this one)
-Throw a rock (Crouser)

[Special_Puppy]

The pole vaulter will be taking that title

Nah, pole vaulting is fringe garbage only available to the affluent.

Throwing rocks is the sport of the proletariat.

Tbh this is why I think Bolt is the actual GOAT. What athletic activity is more core to the human condition than running?

I know Hockey is significantly less widely played, but in terms of distance from the field…the greatest athlete ever might be Gretzky. Don Bradman also deserves a shout too for similar reasons

[jalengreen]

Nah, pole vaulting is fringe garbage only available to the affluent.

Throwing rocks is the sport of the proletariat.

Tbh this is why I think Bolt is the actual GOAT. What athletic activity is more core to the human condition than running?

I’d say it’s our hands that really make us us, so let only sports like running and soccer are essentially anti-human.


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Well running was pretty core to survival for a long while there. Whether it be hunting (chasing down prey is a big part of what made humans apex predators - though in fairness this is less to do with sprinting, so eminence separated it out wisely) or escape.

Hand usage is definitely a fair point though lol, bad for soccer's case

Nah, pole vaulting is fringe garbage only available to the affluent.

Throwing rocks is the sport of the proletariat.

Tbh this is why I think Bolt is the actual GOAT. What athletic activity is more core to the human condition than running?

The Big 4, no order:
-Run real fast for a short distance (Bolt)
-Run pretty fast for a long distance (Bekele)
-Lift a rock (??? I dunno on this one)
-Throw a rock (Crouser)

Isn't Kipchoge the long distance GOAT? I just remember him as the marathon guy

Side note, they ought to make a triathlon where cycling is replaced with climbing. Running, swimming, and climbing gets you all natural forms of locomotion.

[jalengreen]

Nah, pole vaulting is fringe garbage only available to the affluent.

Throwing rocks is the sport of the proletariat.

Tbh this is why I think Bolt is the actual GOAT. What athletic activity is more core to the human condition than running?

I know Hockey is significantly less widely played, but in terms of distance from the field…the greatest athlete ever might be Gretzky. Don Bradman also deserves a shout too for similar reasons

I think the more sports you look at, the more guys you find who were so absurdly dominant that they are kind of hard to compare to one another

Two random examples that come to mind are squash players

Jahangir Khan won 555 consecutive matches from 1981-86 ("the longest winning streak by any athlete in top-level professional sport as recorded by Guinness World Records")

On the women's side, Heather McKay was unbeaten from 1962 thru 1981, having lost just two matches in her entire career before going on to win 16 consecutive British Open titles.

[Jaivl]

Nah, pole vaulting is fringe garbage only available to the affluent.

Throwing rocks is the sport of the proletariat.

Tbh this is why I think Bolt is the actual GOAT. What athletic activity is more core to the human condition than running?

The Big 4, no order:
-Run real fast for a short distance (Bolt)
-Run pretty fast for a long distance (Bekele)
-Lift a rock (??? I dunno on this one)
-Throw a rock (Crouser)

Savickas is widely considered the greatest strongman ever by a margin, although he was more dominant on static strength and overhead events and not the best at "lifting rocks" (stones). Hafthor Julius Bjornson peaked the highest.

If you mean the best at *only lifting a rock*, then Iñaki Perurena, I'd wager.

Isn't Kipchoge the long distance GOAT?

[jalengreen]

Isn't Kipchoge the long distance GOAT?

Well a no probably would have sufficed

[eminence]

Isn't Kipchoge the long distance GOAT?

Well a no probably would have sufficed

Kipchoge is a competitor for #2 (with Geb/El G and maybe a few others), so don't feel bad about bringing him up. Certainly the marathon GOAT, but considering distance running as a whole I think it's got to be Bekele.

-The best combo of times/championship dominance on the track
-Almost certainly the best cross country runner ever
-Not GOAT tier, but one of the best road/marathon runners ever as well (2x major champion, #5 time ever, #2 at the time, #3 PR)

If you think Mikan is the GOAT maybe you can make a case for Nurmi as well.

[eminence]

Tbh this is why I think Bolt is the actual GOAT. What athletic activity is more core to the human condition than running?

The Big 4, no order:
-Run real fast for a short distance (Bolt)
-Run pretty fast for a long distance (Bekele)
-Lift a rock (??? I dunno on this one)
-Throw a rock (Crouser)

Savickas is widely considered the greatest strongman ever by a margin, although he was more dominant on static strength and overhead events and not the best at "lifting rocks" (stones). Hafthor Julius Bjornson peaked the highest.

If you mean the best at *only lifting a rock*, then Iñaki Perurena, I'd wager.

The lifting one is tricky because there's no dominant league/variant of the core principle, nobody really dominates across the disciplines (unlike distance running). Strongman/powerlifting/olympic lifting, who knows. Don't really follow any of them very closely.

Big Z certainly came to mind. Lasha.

Hadn't heard of Perurena, pretty neat stuff.

[eminence]

A false start and a photo finish in the Men's Marathon this year, everybody wants to be the 100M.

[eminence]

In honor of our fallen 'comrades' from the former peaks project I read through JJK.

Pretty bad. 2/5, would not recommend to anyone.

Positives
-Had a few neat little magic concepts
-I read it, but I heard the animation was pretty good (illustrations were nothing special)

Negatives
-No meaningful plot development
-Characters also saw little development and were basically all tropes
-Like 3/4 fight scenes (see the no plot/character development)
-The magic system was underdeveloped, seemingly intentionally to allow the author to pull stuff out of his butt

[Special_Puppy]

In honor of our fallen 'comrades' from the former peaks project I read through JJK.

Pretty bad. 2/5, would not recommend to anyone.

Positives
-Had a few neat little magic concepts
-I read it, but I heard the animation was pretty good (illustrations were nothing special)

Negatives
-No meaningful plot development
-Characters also saw little development and were basically all tropes
-Like 3/4 fight scenes (see the no plot/character development)
-The magic system was underdeveloped, seemingly intentionally to allow the author to pull stuff out of his butt

What manga or anime do you like?

[eminence]

In honor of our fallen 'comrades' from the former peaks project I read through JJK.

Pretty bad. 2/5, would not recommend to anyone.

Positives
-Had a few neat little magic concepts
-I read it, but I heard the animation was pretty good (illustrations were nothing special)

Negatives
-No meaningful plot development
-Characters also saw little development and were basically all tropes
-Like 3/4 fight scenes (see the no plot/character development)
-The magic system was underdeveloped, seemingly intentionally to allow the author to pull stuff out of his butt

What manga or anime do you like?

I'm a middle aged fart, so list is probably kind of dated, mostly shonen, but here ya go. Note on ones still ongoing - rating can change dramatically based off how they finish, a story is not a basketball career where one can only add value. The first act of 20th Century Boys the GOAT, the rest...

Current read/watch list, haven't quit on them yet, so must enjoy them at least a little:
-Frieren
-Dandadan (watch only, only season 1 so far)
-One Piece (read only, less 'like' and more an institution that I have good memories with and want to see through)
-One Punch Man (worried it's fizzling out a bit, they don't seem to have a clear plan with where they are going)
-Vinland Saga
-A Man and His Cat (read only)

Past ones I've enjoyed that come to mind (I've forgotten some):
-Mob Psycho
-HxH (read only, kinda sorta still ongoing, but has a perfectly fine stopping point)
-Haikyuu (watch only, with my kid)
-Monster (read only)
-Parasyte (read only)

Consumed a bunch of the big names in my younger years, but wouldn't exactly recommend them in most cases (Bleach/Naruto/Dragon Ball/Full Metal/AOT/Death Note/etc).

And I'm deeply upset that a harem isekai stole my username.

[LA Bird]

No mention of slam dunk in a basketball forum?



Granted I last read it as a kid and I'm too afraid to revisit it now in case it turns out to be trash

[LA Bird]

Was checking if Bill Russell got any votes for coach of the year as player-coach in Boston (he didn't) when I found out Alex Hannum didn't even win in 1967?! Instead, the award went to Red Kerr, rookie head coach on a 33 win expansion team. This has to be the worst decision of all time, right? Hannum changed Wilt's game completely and set a new record for wins. But voters rewarded a new team for making the playoffs... when 4 out of 5 teams made it. It is still the only time a coach with a losing record won COY and they had fewer than half of the Sixers' wins (33 vs 68). Red Kerr then followed it up with 29 and 16 win seasons before getting replaced in the middle of his 4th year and never coaching again. Arguably the GOAT coaching season got snubbed by the worst COY.

It's kind of similar to 2000 now that I think about it. Coach of the year went to rookie head coach Doc Rivers who missed the playoffs with 41 wins despite Phil Jackson getting 67 with a new Shaq.

[Owly]

Was checking if Bill Russell got any votes for coach of the year as player-coach in Boston (he didn't) when I found out Alex Hannum didn't even win in 1967?! Instead, the award went to Red Kerr, rookie head coach on a 33 win expansion team. This has to be the worst decision of all time, right? Hannum changed Wilt's game completely and set a new record for wins. But voters rewarded a new team for making the playoffs... when 4 out of 5 teams made it. It is still the only time a coach with a losing record won COY and they had fewer than half of the Sixers' wins (33 vs 68). Red Kerr then followed it up with 29 and 16 win seasons before getting replaced in the middle of his 4th year and never coaching again. Arguably the GOAT coaching season got snubbed by the worst COY.

It's kind of similar to 2000 now that I think about it. Coach of the year went to rookie head coach Doc Rivers who missed the playoffs with 41 wins despite Phil Jackson getting 67 with a new Shaq.

A fact that may somewhat defend it and then the broader point ...

It was the best expansion season. 33 wins and -3.37 SRS.
Really only the Packers came before but they got the number one pick and a very productive rookie and ... -7.54 SRS 18-62.
But after them (albeit typically with more teams competing at once for available players)
Seattle -6 SRS, 23 wins
San Diego Rockets -7.94, 15w
Milwaukee -5.07, 27w
Phoenix -8.26, 16w
Cleveland -12.04, 15w (have read this team and the 2 following '71 teams played each other quite a lot, and a softer schedule boosted their wins)
Buffalo -8.02, 22w
Portland -6.2, 29w
New Orleans Jazz -7.3, 23w (traded a bunch of future assets for Maravich) -single team arrival
Dallas -8.33, 15w (single team arrival)
Miami -11.13, 15w
Charlotte -7.74, 20w
Minnesota -3.6, 22w * think very slow pace helps SRS (at least relative to per 100 possession measures)
Orlando -8.73, 18w
Vancouver -9.55, 15w
Toronto, -7.2, 21w
Charlotte, -6.15, 18w

Milwaukee are kind of close (and did it with another team picking players) but are still slightly sub-negative-five SRS. The Musselman Timberwolves somehow got a fairly comparable SRS but didn't get close to the wins (at a glance eight 15-or-more point wins which feels like a lot, 7 at home - maybe they're more competitive in "garbage time" than other teams, maybe Minnesota had a solid home court advantage, idk).

To say the expansion Bulls were a playoff team may be misleading in terms of their quality and what one might expect from that, but the Bulls seem like you could expect them to be competitive with you every night (and not just in a scrappy sense, although with Sloan that too - but I'd grant the Timberwolves that in the scrappy sense) in a way you might not say of any other expansion team. Whether or not that's Kerr's doing is debatable.

Now the later results can't be expected to come in to that year's CoTY. But yes it can inform us a little more on actual standard of coaching. And thus to the big picture ... we get very limited information on coaching. In a single year team outcomes, especially as conventionally measured (W-L), are noisy. So it doesn't look like a list of the best coaches. As I say there's so much we don't see so I don't think we get a great grip on how good coaches are, though over the longer term we get some idea. I suppose I don't mind it skewing a little bit for the surprise team because whilst some are just flukes it's more interesting then just giving it to the coach of the best team. That isn't to say it's a simple binary though, or that Kerr "rightly" won it over Hannum.