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Post#241 » by Colbinii » Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:08 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:Remember the trade Lakers had last season?

Wall+Wood for Westbrook+THT+FRP


That's looking pretty good right now

It looked good at the time too. Removing Westbrook is addition by subtraction in and of itself. He’s that bad. Getting back two playable pieces like Wall/Wood would’ve been icing on the cake.

Well to be fair they couldn't afford to trade budding superstar THT.


Good old THT.

I watched him in the Jazz/Wolves game [Wolves fan, obviously] and THT sucks. He looked like the worst player by a significant margin compared to the likes of Clarkson, Beasley, Sexton as guards/wings. I expect him to get close to minimum salary next year.

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Post#242 » by homecourtloss » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:37 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
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zimpy27 wrote:Remember the trade Lakers had last season?

Wall+Wood for Westbrook+THT+FRP


That's looking pretty good right now

It looked good at the time too. Removing Westbrook is addition by subtraction in and of itself. He’s that bad. Getting back two playable pieces like Wall/Wood would’ve been icing on the cake.

Well to be fair they couldn't afford to trade budding superstar THT.


Budding GOAT, THT. Once he gets away from LeBron’s evil, talent destroying clutches, he’ll be fine.
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Post#243 » by MyUniBroDavis » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:28 pm

Colbinii wrote:
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thebigbird wrote:It looked good at the time too. Removing Westbrook is addition by subtraction in and of itself. He’s that bad. Getting back two playable pieces like Wall/Wood would’ve been icing on the cake.

Well to be fair they couldn't afford to trade budding superstar THT.


Good old THT.

I watched him in the Jazz/Wolves game [Wolves fan, obviously] and THT sucks. He looked like the worst player by a significant margin compared to the likes of Clarkson, Beasley, Sexton as guards/wings. I expect him to get close to minimum salary next year.

Could you imagine someone like Austin Reeves with those physical attributes?


Wood wasn’t on the table, it was discussed on our end but the rockets caving to that wouldn’t make sense

It’s valid they didn’t wanna switch russ and a pick for wall
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Post#244 » by thebigbird » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:44 pm

This dude is the worst basketball account on Twitter. Nonstop tweets about “pure hoopers” and the like. I’m so sick of people saying “oh it’s just a bad fit for Russ.” Westbrook doesn’t fit on any team that’s trying to make the playoffs. He’s trash. If you want a tank commander? Sure, sign him up. That’s the only thing he’s good for these days.

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Post#245 » by zimpy27 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:44 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
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Fadeaway_J wrote:Well to be fair they couldn't afford to trade budding superstar THT.


Good old THT.

I watched him in the Jazz/Wolves game [Wolves fan, obviously] and THT sucks. He looked like the worst player by a significant margin compared to the likes of Clarkson, Beasley, Sexton as guards/wings. I expect him to get close to minimum salary next year.

Could you imagine someone like Austin Reeves with those physical attributes?


Wood wasn’t on the table, it was discussed on our end but the rockets caving to that wouldn’t make sense

It’s valid they didn’t wanna switch russ and a pick for wall


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.silverscreenandroll.com/platform/amp/2022/2/15/22935065/lakers-christian-wood-john-wall-russell-westbrook-trade-deadline-rumors-report-rob-pelinka


Sadly Wood was on the table..
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Post#246 » by thebigbird » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:47 pm

Westbrook kills everything he touches. Get this clown tf off this team.

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Post#247 » by yoyoboy » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:58 pm

Westbrook is definitely the biggest issue, but in a much larger sample size last year, the Lakers were just +0.77 with AD/LeBron On and Russ Off. I don't think you can make this Lakers team a contender by trading Russ for Hield/Turner or anything like that. The roster is just bad, and LeBron and AD aren't top 5 players impact wise.
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Post#248 » by zimpy27 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:33 pm

yoyoboy wrote:Westbrook is definitely the biggest issue, but in a much larger sample size last year, the Lakers were just +0.77 with AD/LeBron On and Russ Off. I don't think you can make this Lakers team a contender by trading Russ for Hield/Turner or anything like that. The roster is just bad, and LeBron and AD aren't top 5 players impact wise.


Yeah but it's a different system and whole new team. I do think this team has potential with the Ham lineup but I'm nervous about Turner fitting in.

I think it's too early to make a trade. January will be the time
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Post#249 » by letskissbro » Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:07 am

yoyoboy wrote:Westbrook is definitely the biggest issue, but in a much larger sample size last year, the Lakers were just +0.77 with AD/LeBron On and Russ Off. I don't think you can make this Lakers team a contender by trading Russ for Hield/Turner or anything like that. The roster is just bad, and LeBron and AD aren't top 5 players impact wise.

Last year if it wasn't Westbrook it was THT, Avery Bradley, Deandre Jordan, Carmelo Anthony, Ariza, etc tanking their minutes. Arguably the most poorly constructed roster in modern history. Something like 15 players who were on the team last year are out of the league.

I expect the on/off numbers to hold.The Spurs/Indiana trades give them enough role players who can stay out of the way and do just barely enough for them to become a top team again.
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Post#250 » by thebigbird » Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:12 am

The way players/former players are circling around Russ like he’s a make-a-wish kid. Lmao.
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Post#251 » by MyUniBroDavis » Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:20 am

zimpy27 wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Good old THT.

I watched him in the Jazz/Wolves game [Wolves fan, obviously] and THT sucks. He looked like the worst player by a significant margin compared to the likes of Clarkson, Beasley, Sexton as guards/wings. I expect him to get close to minimum salary next year.

Could you imagine someone like Austin Reeves with those physical attributes?


Wood wasn’t on the table, it was discussed on our end but the rockets caving to that wouldn’t make sense

It’s valid they didn’t wanna switch russ and a pick for wall


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.silverscreenandroll.com/platform/amp/2022/2/15/22935065/lakers-christian-wood-john-wall-russell-westbrook-trade-deadline-rumors-report-rob-pelinka


Sadly Wood was on the table..


It was discussed but it was never on the table, the Lakers weren’t willing to take more money, but wall and wood for Westbrook and a frp was never on the table, I know that lol
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Post#252 » by MyUniBroDavis » Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:22 am

yoyoboy wrote:Westbrook is definitely the biggest issue, but in a much larger sample size last year, the Lakers were just +0.77 with AD/LeBron On and Russ Off. I don't think you can make this Lakers team a contender by trading Russ for Hield/Turner or anything like that. The roster is just bad, and LeBron and AD aren't top 5 players impact wise.


There’s like a single holdover from last year though lol
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Post#253 » by homecourtloss » Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:38 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Westbrook is definitely the biggest issue, but in a much larger sample size last year, the Lakers were just +0.77 with AD/LeBron On and Russ Off. I don't think you can make this Lakers team a contender by trading Russ for Hield/Turner or anything like that. The roster is just bad, and LeBron and AD aren't top 5 players impact wise.


There’s like a single holdover from last year though lol


True. While yoyoboy is right that 2022 didn’t see good minutes from the James+Ad/sans Russ lineups, this year has already been different.

Yesterday, against Portland, LeBron and Davis played six minutes together without Russ and in those six minutes they scored 18 points and had an ORtg of 180 (+70 NET).

For the season of LBJ+AD - Russ: 18 minutes, 118.9 ORtg, 108.1 DRtg, +10.8. If Westbrook comes off the bench, the Lakers can increase these six minutes or so that they get a game with LeBron and Davis on court together without Westbrook threefold at least.

I don’t think there was a three-game stretch the covert 18+ minutes that had this good of a result for the James plus Anthony Davis lineups sans Westbrook.
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Post#254 » by homecourtloss » Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:49 am

Interesting other lineup data:

LeBron+Bev ON court, AD+Russ off court: 21 minutes, 104.5 ORtg, 88.6 DRtg, +15.9
LeBron+AD+Bev ON court, Russ off court: 14 minutes, 130.8 ORtg, 88.5 DRtg, +42.3

Beverly so far has been a great pick up. The AD/James/Bev trio has done very well. Now if they could add a 3+D wing or shooter or defensive bog to this equation…
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lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
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Post#255 » by MyUniBroDavis » Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:02 am

homecourtloss wrote:
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yoyoboy wrote:Westbrook is definitely the biggest issue, but in a much larger sample size last year, the Lakers were just +0.77 with AD/LeBron On and Russ Off. I don't think you can make this Lakers team a contender by trading Russ for Hield/Turner or anything like that. The roster is just bad, and LeBron and AD aren't top 5 players impact wise.


There’s like a single holdover from last year though lol


True. While yoyoboy is right that 2022 didn’t see good minutes from the James+Ad/sans Russ lineups, this year has already been different.

Yesterday, against Portland, LeBron and Davis played six minutes together without Russ and in those six minutes they scored 18 points and had an ORtg of 180 (+70 NET).

For the season of LBJ+AD - Russ: 18 minutes, 118.9 ORtg, 108.1 DRtg, +10.8. If Westbrook comes off the bench, the Lakers can increase these six minutes or so that they get a game with LeBron and Davis on court together without Westbrook threefold at least.

I don’t think there was a three-game stretch the covert 18+ minutes that had this good of a result for the James plus Anthony Davis lineups sans Westbrook.


The team makes a lot of sense when you replace russ with turner and hield

Replacing the CTE midget Ben Simmons with a 3 and D center that might be a top 3 rim protector in the nba, and a super elite shooter does a lot for us on both ends
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Post#256 » by Run DLC » Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:39 am

Ain’t no such thing as being too early to make a trade. The longer the Lakers take to make a move, the harder it will be to convince any team to trade for Westbrook. I don’t see them making the playoffs, let alone the play-in.
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Post#257 » by zimpy27 » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:41 am

homecourtloss wrote:Interesting other lineup data:

LeBron+Bev ON court, AD+Russ off court: 21 minutes, 104.5 ORtg, 88.6 DRtg, +15.9
LeBron+AD+Bev ON court, Russ off court: 14 minutes, 130.8 ORtg, 88.5 DRtg, +42.3

Beverly so far has been a great pick up. The AD/James/Bev trio has done very well. Now if they could add a 3+D wing or shooter or defensive bog to this equation…


Check out this one:
Bev, Lonnie, Reaves, JTA, LeBron

That team as a 5-man or as a combination of 4-man lineups seems to be really nice.

Lonnie has been better than I expected tbh. Nunn has been worse. Westbrook has been better but still so flawed as a shooter.

I think top 10 playoff rotation for Lakers will be:
Schroeder, Bev, Lonnie, Reaves, JTA, LeBron, Gabriel, Davis
Then 2 players they get back from Westbrook trade.
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Post#258 » by HeartBreakKid » Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:42 am

Run DLC wrote:Ain’t no such thing as being too early to make a trade. The longer the Lakers take to make a move, the harder it will be to convince any team to trade for Westbrook. I don’t see them making the playoffs, let alone the play-in.


How would they trade him though?
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Post#259 » by Jaivl » Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

homecourtloss wrote:Interesting other lineup data:

LeBron+Bev ON court, AD+Russ off court: 21 minutes, 104.5 ORtg, 88.6 DRtg, +15.9
LeBron+AD+Bev ON court, Russ off court: 14 minutes, 130.8 ORtg, 88.5 DRtg, +42.3

Beverly so far has been a great pick up. The AD/James/Bev trio has done very well. Now if they could add a 3+D wing or shooter or defensive bog to this equation…

Interesting other lineup data:

Fox + Huerter + Murray + Sabonis ON: 28 minutes, +22.6
All of the above + Barnes ON: 11 minutes, +55.3

I mean...
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Post#260 » by Big NBA Fan » Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:14 am

I have felt from the very start that LeBron should have joined the Rockets instead of the Lakers.

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Who cares. That team without LeBron was a CP3 injury away from beating the Steph/KD Warriors. Add LeBron and they're unbeatable.

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