Top 25 peaks of the 2001-25: #7-#8 Spots

[Top10alltime]

Interesting that Giannis caught up with Wade for the #7 spot. I calculated a little matrix by hand a couple days ago and it looked like it was going to be Wade #7 and Giannis #8, but I guess those last couple votes for Giannis put him over the top. I do think Giannis/Wade is a better ordering and I actually have Giannis 4 spots higher on my list, but also I feel like they’re in the same tier and close enough as to be very arguable.

I think all the players receiving votes are of the same tier.

These are my tiers RN:

Tier 1: LeBron
Tier 2: Jokic, KG, Duncan
Tier 3: Steph, SGA, Shaq, Kawhi, Giannis, Dirk, CP3, Wade
Tier 4: Kobe, KD, AD, Manu

Embiid is tier 4 at worst

[iggymcfrack]

I think all the players receiving votes are of the same tier.

These are my tiers RN:

Tier 1: LeBron
Tier 2: Jokic, KG, Duncan
Tier 3: Steph, SGA, Shaq, Kawhi, Giannis, Dirk, CP3, Wade
Tier 4: Kobe, KD, AD, Manu

Embiid is tier 4 at worst

Tier 4 players plus Embiid by peak season playoffs (using box stats since every Embiid playoffs is a small sample)
2017 Durant 9.9 BPM (won title)
2005 Manu 9.2 BPM (won title)
2009 Kobe 9.1 BPM (won title)
2020 Davis 8.7 BPM (won title)
2023 Embiid 1.9 BPM (lost 2nd round after missing 2 games)

You can find much better Embiid playoff numbers where he missed a huge part of the regular season or had a **** regular season that doesn't compare to the other guys, but even in those seasons, he's still well behind everyone in this tier. I honestly don't see how he has a case over CP3, Manu, Dray, AD, KD, or Westbrook at the minimum. He's in the group with guys I haven't really evaluated much yet like Harden, Nash, Luka, Butler, and Tatum. I'm sure he'll make my list eventually, but he's not in contention yet.