2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

[Texas Chuck]

Denver does not look good at all.

Harris and Barton aren't great players, but they belong in a rotation. It's a lot of minutes to replace and they are struggling to do so. Add to that Milsap struggling in the bubble and Murray and MPJ not being consistent despite the amount of hype they get.

If the wings were there this would be a different series, but regardless Denver needs to make a major roster shuffle this off-season and they have plenty of flexibility to do so.

[Clyde Frazier]

Denver does not look good at all.

Harris and Barton aren't great players, but they belong in a rotation. It's a lot of minutes to replace and they are struggling to do so. Add to that Milsap struggling in the bubble and Murray and MPJ not being consistent despite the amount of hype they get.

If the wings were there this would be a different series, but regardless Denver needs to make a major roster shuffle this off-season and they have plenty of flexibility to do so.

They also messed up trading Beasley and Juan. I get that they didn't want to pay them, but having a safety net as a quasi contender is more important than netting an asset. I don't think this series is over but talk about a major disappointment. It seems there's a chance Harris could be back before the series is over.

[Joey Wheeler]

I think an underrated talking point pre-playoffs was how close Clippers vs Mavericks is for a 2 vs 7 matchup. There's not a significant difference in quality between both teams; I'd pick the Clippers due to superior playoff experience, but honestly if Dallas wins today they could very well take the series.

[limbo]

I think an underrated talking point pre-playoffs was how close Clippers vs Mavericks is for a 2 vs 7 matchup. There's not a significant difference in quality between both teams; I'd pick the Clippers due to superior playoff experience, but honestly if Dallas wins today they could very well take the series.

This 'bubble' is an entirely unique playing experience that i don't think it's fair to compare to a traditional 'Playoff' system/setting.

First there was a full 'offseason' break of 4 months leading up to it, where a lot of players couldn't even train properly. There's no crowds, there's no travelling, players don't have their usual routines since they are all stuck on 'campus', games are coming in quicker etc.

Not having HCA is a bigger loss to the top teams than people probably realize... Like the Bucks lost 5 games total this season at home. The Clippers lost 9.

[Joey Wheeler]

I think an underrated talking point pre-playoffs was how close Clippers vs Mavericks is for a 2 vs 7 matchup. There's not a significant difference in quality between both teams; I'd pick the Clippers due to superior playoff experience, but honestly if Dallas wins today they could very well take the series.

This 'bubble' is an entirely unique playing experience that i don't think it's fair to compare to a traditional 'Playoff' system/setting.

First there was a full 'offseason' break of 4 months leading up to it, where a lot of players couldn't even train properly. There's no crowds, there's no travelling, players don't have their usual routines since they are all stuck on 'campus', games are coming in quicker etc.

Not having HCA is a bigger loss to the top teams than people probably realize... Like the Bucks lost 5 games total this season at home. The Clippers lost 9.

I agree with everything you said. That said, 2 vs 7 is usually a very lopsided matchup where the 2 seed would romp even if they played every game on the road. See the 2 vs 7 in the East, total mismatch. In this case, I don't think the Clippers are much better than Dallas at all. Honestly if Porzingis doesn't get sent off, it could well be 2-0 Dallas atm. The unique circumstances of these playoffs make a Dallas win an even more potential outcome indeed though...

[limbo]

I agree with everything you said. That said, 2 vs 7 is usually a very lopsided matchup where the 2 seed would romp even if they played every game on the road. See the 2 vs 7 in the East, total mismatch. In this case, I don't think the Clippers are much better than Dallas at all. Honestly if Porzingis doesn't get sent off, it could well be 2-0 Dallas atm. The unique circumstances of these playoffs make a Dallas win an even more potential outcome indeed though...

Didn't like the Spurs take the Nuggets to 7 games last season in a 2 vs 7 matchup?

Regardless, yeah, a 2v7 seed matchup should be pretty lopsided most years, and honestly, we are only 2 games in so far. Dallas can be competitive, but i wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers straight up win the next 3 out of 4 games... How do you know that won't happen?

I think people are giving to much credence to a single game, especially early on. The Lakers were doomed just 24 hours ago if LeBron didn't scored 40 and carried them. He scores 10 points and the Lakers blow out Portland by 23... If i said that's what was going to happen before the match started i would be put in an insane asylum...

I do agree, though, that just because of the 'bubble' factor, the probability of an upset happening is higher. Also, the Clippers haven't look up to be caught up to speed just yet. They look like a team that prioritize resting over getting in rhythm in the last month, and it shows. On top of that, Lou Williams and Harrell were basically absent in the preparation games leading up.

[ardee]

I think an underrated talking point pre-playoffs was how close Clippers vs Mavericks is for a 2 vs 7 matchup. There's not a significant difference in quality between both teams; I'd pick the Clippers due to superior playoff experience, but honestly if Dallas wins today they could very well take the series.

This 'bubble' is an entirely unique playing experience that i don't think it's fair to compare to a traditional 'Playoff' system/setting.

First there was a full 'offseason' break of 4 months leading up to it, where a lot of players couldn't even train properly. There's no crowds, there's no travelling, players don't have their usual routines since they are all stuck on 'campus', games are coming in quicker etc.

Not having HCA is a bigger loss to the top teams than people probably realize... Like the Bucks lost 5 games total this season at home. The Clippers lost 9.

Idk. These Mavs are probably the most loaded 7th seed I can remember. The have a megastar plus another All-Star and can routinely trot out 5 shooter+4 playmaker lineup. 6th in SRS in the league and 3rd in the conference. It's just sheer bad luck they are the 7th seed. I think they are a tougher out than the Jazz and Nuggets for sure.

[Fadeaway_J]

I think an underrated talking point pre-playoffs was how close Clippers vs Mavericks is for a 2 vs 7 matchup. There's not a significant difference in quality between both teams; I'd pick the Clippers due to superior playoff experience, but honestly if Dallas wins today they could very well take the series.

This 'bubble' is an entirely unique playing experience that i don't think it's fair to compare to a traditional 'Playoff' system/setting.

First there was a full 'offseason' break of 4 months leading up to it, where a lot of players couldn't even train properly. There's no crowds, there's no travelling, players don't have their usual routines since they are all stuck on 'campus', games are coming in quicker etc.

Not having HCA is a bigger loss to the top teams than people probably realize... Like the Bucks lost 5 games total this season at home. The Clippers lost 9.

Idk. These Mavs are probably the most loaded 7th seed I can remember. The have a megastar plus another All-Star and can routinely trot out 5 shooter+4 playmaker lineup. 6th in SRS in the league and 3rd in the conference. It's just sheer bad luck they are the 7th seed. I think they are a tougher out than the Jazz and Nuggets for sure.

Was just going to say, Dallas is not a typical 7th seed. They're probably stronger than every team below Houston.

[ardee]

This 'bubble' is an entirely unique playing experience that i don't think it's fair to compare to a traditional 'Playoff' system/setting.

First there was a full 'offseason' break of 4 months leading up to it, where a lot of players couldn't even train properly. There's no crowds, there's no travelling, players don't have their usual routines since they are all stuck on 'campus', games are coming in quicker etc.

Not having HCA is a bigger loss to the top teams than people probably realize... Like the Bucks lost 5 games total this season at home. The Clippers lost 9.

Idk. These Mavs are probably the most loaded 7th seed I can remember. The have a megastar plus another All-Star and can routinely trot out 5 shooter+4 playmaker lineup. 6th in SRS in the league and 3rd in the conference. It's just sheer bad luck they are the 7th seed. I think they are a tougher out than the Jazz and Nuggets for sure.

Was just going to say, Dallas is not a typical 7th seed. They're probably stronger than every team below Houston.

3.5 games out of the 3rd seed. They just weren't good in the clutch this year and lost some third games.

This reminds me of 2015 when the 56 win defending champion Spurs ended up as the 6th seed when they were clearly the 2nd or 3rd best team in the conference after the Warriors and Clippers.

Clippers-Mavs will be a historically good series. Can't get enough right now.

[limbo]

Idk. These Mavs are probably the most loaded 7th seed I can remember. The have a megastar plus another All-Star and can routinely trot out 5 shooter+4 playmaker lineup. 6th in SRS in the league and 3rd in the conference. It's just sheer bad luck they are the 7th seed. I think they are a tougher out than the Jazz and Nuggets for sure.

Yeah, i'm happy with the offense, it's the defense that has me worried...

[Joey Wheeler]

I agree with everything you said. That said, 2 vs 7 is usually a very lopsided matchup where the 2 seed would romp even if they played every game on the road. See the 2 vs 7 in the East, total mismatch. In this case, I don't think the Clippers are much better than Dallas at all. Honestly if Porzingis doesn't get sent off, it could well be 2-0 Dallas atm. The unique circumstances of these playoffs make a Dallas win an even more potential outcome indeed though...

Didn't like the Spurs take the Nuggets to 7 games last season in a 2 vs 7 matchup?

Regardless, yeah, a 2v7 seed matchup should be pretty lopsided most years, and honestly, we are only 2 games in so far. Dallas can be competitive, but i wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers straight up win the next 3 out of 4 games... How do you know that won't happen?

I think people are giving to much credence to a single game, especially early on. The Lakers were doomed just 24 hours ago if LeBron didn't scored 40 and carried them. He scores 10 points and the Lakers blow out Portland by 23... If i said that's what was going to happen before the match started i would be put in an insane asylum...

I do agree, though, that just because of the 'bubble' factor, the probability of an upset happening is higher. Also, the Clippers haven't look up to be caught up to speed just yet. They look like a team that prioritize resting over getting in rhythm in the last month, and it shows. On top of that, Lou Williams and Harrell were basically absent in the preparation games leading up.

Even after game 1, I never felt the series was in any sort of danger for the Lakers, huge gap in quality between both teams. Blowouts for the Lakers are the expected result each match...

Meanwhile, I'd be extremely surprised if the Clippers did indeed win 3 of the next 4 in easy fashion. The Mavericks are a really good team, with a legitimately great player. The only reason I'm not outright picking the Mavericks to win the series is Clippers have more playoff experience.

[limbo]

Even after game 1, I never felt the series was in any sort of danger for the Lakers, huge gap in quality between both teams. Blowouts for the Lakers are the expected result each match...

Meanwhile, I'd be extremely surprised if the Clippers did indeed win 3 of the next 4 in easy fashion. The Mavericks are a really good team, with a legitimately great player. The only reason I'm not outright picking the Mavericks to win the series is Clippers have more playoff experience.

Think you're exaggerating a bit.

With the season Lillard's been having (especially the way he's been playing since the restart), you can definitely at least put him in the same tier as Luka if not above coming fresh off 50, 60 point performances...

Then you add Nurkic coming back, who is arguably the 2nd best player on that team, plus Trent Jr. and Melo looking better... this team suddenly looks like a minimum 45W team... which is about at the pace Dallas played in the RS.

I expect the Lakers to win the series pretty comfortably, but expecting 'blowouts' in their favor is taking it too far in the other direction.

I expect the Clippers Mavs series to be a bit closer, but still Clippers to win in 6 games. Hopefully not though, we'll see.

[GSP]

Told u guys about "playoff Horford". He was getting SO overrated being called Draymond Green East and few arguing if he might be a top 10 player

another byproduct of Brad Stevens

hes averaging 5/6/2 on .453ts against our small lineup lmaooooo

[MO12msu]

I can't stop thinking about how perfect of a fit Kawhi was/is with the Raptors. Those dudes all play hard, have a crazy high bball IQ and can hold down the fort easily when he needs to rest. And then of course Nurse.

NBA probably avoided a mini dynasty because Kawhi wanted to go home.

[MisterHibachi]

Kawhi low key has become a real egregious flopper now.

[Mos_Heat]

Kawhi low key has become a real egregious flopper now.

Low key? He's been like that for a while

[limbo]

Kawhi low key has become a real egregious flopper now.

Well, at least he doesn't flamboyantly whine about not getting the call after the fact...

[bondom34]

Might be an all time line for Chuck.

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[Clyde Frazier]

Might be an all time line for Chuck.

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Not that he's super insecure about his career like shaq, but still pleasantly surprised by the self awareness. That was hilarious.

[bondom34]

Also I'm a huge Carlisle guy but GET LUKA OUT OF THE GAME NOW.

Edit: He checked out after the triple double? I really hope that's not related b/c he looked like he was hurting, really shouldn't have been out there.