2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[PaulieWal]

Warriors are just making a fool out of the guy who has better advanced stats than Jesus please let's not overreact

And when Curry/Green had subpar casts they admittedly (think it was more Green than Curry) just sat out games to tank and said they had no interest in playing that particular season. I am not even a Jokic fan but give Curry/Dramond a subpar cast and they are either barely making the play-in or just taking time off for "injuries".

[Peregrine01]

Some of you need to cool it on the Curry/Warriors superlatives and hyperbole. They are up 2-0 on a crumbling Denver team in the 1st round which is looking to be a terrible match-up for them. They don't have the defensive personnel to slow it down or a superstar who's just grinding out every possession (LeBron did this against the Warriors in 2015 & 2018).

Yeah, the Warriors look good as many expected and should be getting to WCF against the Suns but reading this thread it would seem like they are up 3-0 in the WCF or the Finals or something

I know it's early but what we're seeing out of Poole is blowing me away. It's like having two Stephs on the court at the same time...which should be a damn cheat code. The Warriors are doing something now that they didn't even really do in the KD years, who had a tendency to stop the ball. You have 5 guys in constant kinetic motion that's stretching the defense on every possession to its breaking point and two guys who are dynamic on-ball creators. Also, Steph and Dray look fresher than they've been at any point except for the beginning of the season, when they were dominating the league.

The Suns have a better record yes, but they've really given little indication in their match-ups during the regular season that they're the superior team. IMO, they've looked inferior to them and I'm just not confident in them versus this leveled-up Warriors squad.

[Peregrine01]

Warriors are just making a fool out of the guy who has better advanced stats than Jesus please let's not overreact

And when Curry/Green had subpar casts they admittedly (think it was more Green than Curry) just sat out games to tank and said they had no interest in playing that particular season. I am not even a Jokic fan but give Curry/Dramond a subpar cast and they are either barely making the play-in or just taking time off for "injuries".

Yeah, it's a little rich for this to come from a Warriors fan given what they went through exactly one season ago. And hell, at least Curry and Dray had each other. Who does Jokic have?

[falcolombardi]

this thread is getting heated lol

i will just say this has been a fun playoffs start (i include play-in) and wait for second round mstchups before making big prediction

[parsnips33]

Warriors are just making a fool out of the guy who has better advanced stats than Jesus please let's not overreact

And when Curry/Green had subpar casts they admittedly (think it was more Green than Curry) just sat out games to tank and said they had no interest in playing that particular season. I am not even a Jokic fan but give Curry/Dramond a subpar cast and they are either barely making the play-in or just taking time off for "injuries".

Yeah, it's a little rich for this to come from a Warriors fan given what they went through exactly one season ago. And hell, at least Curry and Dray had each other. Who does Jokic have?

Just wait for Jamal "Gary Payton" Murray to come back, that perimeter defense should tighten right up

In all seriousness, Jokic is an elite elite elite player. I wouldn't feel nearly as encouraged by these wins if he wasn't as good as he is

[falcolombardi]

seeing the warriors defense do this to jokic makes me appreciate the stuff lebron did against them more

not exactly apples to apples tho lol, i know, but i want to note how resilient he and cavs were against all those warriors defenses was kinda outstanding

even in 2015 with a bad back and really bad offensive help (but good defensive help) he kinda put in work (admiteddly in low efficiency)

[Peregrine01]

And when Curry/Green had subpar casts they admittedly (think it was more Green than Curry) just sat out games to tank and said they had no interest in playing that particular season. I am not even a Jokic fan but give Curry/Dramond a subpar cast and they are either barely making the play-in or just taking time off for "injuries".

Yeah, it's a little rich for this to come from a Warriors fan given what they went through exactly one season ago. And hell, at least Curry and Dray had each other. Who does Jokic have?

Just wait for Jamal "Gary Payton" Murray to come back, that perimeter defense should tighten right up

In all seriousness, Jokic is an elite elite elite player. I wouldn't feel nearly as encouraged by these wins if he wasn't as good as he is

I've never been on the Murray or MPJ train and thought that they weren't worth the maxes even when healthy. I doubt that they'd impact the outcome of this series all that much.

[parsnips33]

It sucks that Nuggets haven't been able to really assess what their team looks like at full strength. I do think they'll need some roster shuffling, in addition to Murray and MPJ coming back, to compete against teams with high level off the dribble shooters.

I do think Murray and Jokic offensively is a great fit, I'd try to build around that duo with the rest of the roster being more replaceable

[Peregrine01]

seeing the warriors defense do this to jokic makes me appreciate the stuff lebron did against them more

not exactly apples to apples tho lol, i know, but i want to note how resilient he and cavs were against all those warriors defenses was kinda outstanding

even in 2015 with a bad back and really bad offensive help (but good defensive help) he kinda put in work (admiteddly in low efficiency)

One of the advantages to being a heliocentric ballhandler is that it keeps the ball out of the hands of guys like Aaron Gordon and Will Barton. I feel like Denver would have a better chance (or at least look better than they have) if they just gave the ball to Jokic on every possession and let him grind away.

[falcolombardi]

seeing the warriors defense do this to jokic makes me appreciate the stuff lebron did against them more

not exactly apples to apples tho lol, i know, but i want to note how resilient he and cavs were against all those warriors defenses was kinda outstanding

even in 2015 with a bad back and really bad offensive help (but good defensive help) he kinda put in work (admiteddly in low efficiency)

One of the advantages to being a heliocentric ballhandler is that it keeps the ball out of the hands of guys like Aaron Gordon and Will Barton. I feel like Denver would have a better chance (or at least look better than they have) if they just gave the ball to Jokic on every possession and let him grind away.

the value of a guy who can just take the ball and create offense by himself is sometimes understed imo

just because it is not optimal in a ceiling raising sense (although heliocentric players have many of the best offensive results ever:nash, magic, lebron) doesnt mean is not wildly valuable in many circunstances

denver could try to do this with jokic but is easier to deny entry passes into a congested paint or force him to pass the ball in the perimeter

maybe if denver had 5 out spacing they could try a olajuwonesque approach with jokic inside?

[PaulieWal]

The Suns have a better record yes, but they've really given little indication in their match-ups during the regular season that they're the superior team. IMO, they've looked inferior to them and I'm just not confident in them versus this leveled-up Warriors squad.

Lol we will see. Looks like we are going to get a Suns/GSW WCF and I would still favor the Suns slightly.

Not trying to be a party pooper or the fun police but it reading this thread I had to do a double-take and make sure that Warriors are not on the verge of winning the title already.

[parsnips33]

Also Maxey has weirdly been the most entertaining guy to watch on a team with Harden and Embiid?

The speed he plays with is just electric

[falcolombardi]

regardless i think all this talk about denver offense may be a bit of a red herring when by far their biggest problem has been defense

how much of the defensive blame is right to assign jokic in these circunstances?

[Peregrine01]

seeing the warriors defense do this to jokic makes me appreciate the stuff lebron did against them more

not exactly apples to apples tho lol, i know, but i want to note how resilient he and cavs were against all those warriors defenses was kinda outstanding

even in 2015 with a bad back and really bad offensive help (but good defensive help) he kinda put in work (admiteddly in low efficiency)

One of the advantages to being a heliocentric ballhandler is that it keeps the ball out of the hands of guys like Aaron Gordon and Will Barton. I feel like Denver would have a better chance (or at least look better than they have) if they just gave the ball to Jokic on every possession and let him grind away.

the value of a guy who can just take the ball and create offense by himself is sometimes understed imo

just because it is not optimal in a ceiling raising sense (although heliocentric players have many of the best offensive results ever:nash, magic, lebron) doesnt mean is not wildly valuable in many circunstances

I think Jokic is one of the greatest offensive creators of all-time and he's created plenty of open looks in this series. His team just hasn't converted.

The way Jokic plays is instinctual - his first instinct is to pass and find the open man. What Bron did in 2015 was schematic - he knew that a high pass possession game will only lead to a higher likelihood of turnovers and bricks from his team so he deliberately wore the game down to a crawl, thereby killing the pace that the Warriors thrive off of. Ultimately it didn't matter because the Cavs were outmatched and the Warriors realized that playing small killed all of that but at least the series was somewhat competitive for a few games.

[Texas Chuck]

Some of you need to cool it on the Curry/Warriors superlatives and hyperbole. They are up 2-0 on a crumbling Denver team in the 1st round which is looking to be a terrible match-up for them. They don't have the defensive personnel to slow it down or a superstar who's just grinding out every possession (LeBron did this against the Warriors in 2015 & 2018).

Yeah, the Warriors look good as many expected and should be getting to WCF against the Suns but reading this thread it would seem like they are up 3-0 in the WCF or the Finals or something

Say it louder for those in the back. Ignoring that Curry and Green were healthy all last year and sat out the playoffs....

Now I have all the respect in the world for them as a duo. Their record speaks for itself. But it also shows they weren't ever doing it alone. And hell last year the Warriors fans spent all year telling us Wiggins was all-D and he had his most efficient offensive season ever and they still were sitting and watching the playoffs.

Now I get it. They are the darlings because people decided it was the way they played rather than their overwhelming talent advantage that led to all the winning, but last year should have forever put that notion to bed. It was always about the players, not that Steve Kerr solved basketball and all that silliness that went on around here.



And this Denver team is like 1.5 guys right now. This would be like the Jazz declaring themselves champions for beating Dallas without Luka in game 1....

[falcolombardi]

Some of you need to cool it on the Curry/Warriors superlatives and hyperbole. They are up 2-0 on a crumbling Denver team in the 1st round which is looking to be a terrible match-up for them. They don't have the defensive personnel to slow it down or a superstar who's just grinding out every possession (LeBron did this against the Warriors in 2015 & 2018).

Yeah, the Warriors look good as many expected and should be getting to WCF against the Suns but reading this thread it would seem like they are up 3-0 in the WCF or the Finals or something

Say it louder for those in the back. Ignoring that Curry and Green were healthy all last year and sat out the playoffs....

Now I have all the respect in the world for them as a duo. Their record speaks for itself. But it also shows they weren't ever doing it alone. And hell last year the Warriors fans spent all year telling us Wiggins was all-D and he had his most efficient offensive season ever and they still were sitting and watching the playoffs.

Now I get it. They are the darlings because people decided it was the way they played rather than their overwhelming talent advantage that led to all the winning, but last year should have forever put that notion to bed. It was always about the players, not that Steve Kerr solved basketball and all that silliness that went on around here.



And this Denver team is like 1.5 guys right now. This would be like the Jazz declaring themselves champions for beating Dallas without Luka in game 1....

honestly from what i have seen luka-less dallas may give warriors a tougher time than denver, their defense feels like it would matchup well against warriord approach tbh

[Texas Chuck]

honestly from what i have seen luka-less dallas may give warriors a tougher time than denver, their defense feels like it would matchup well against warriord approach tbh

But that's not really the point. Matchups always matter of course. The point is we are prematurely losing our minds over two home games against a one man team. Might just want to tap the brakes a little bit is all.

[falcolombardi]

honestly from what i have seen luka-less dallas may give warriors a tougher time than denver, their defense feels like it would matchup well against warriord approach tbh

But that's not really the point. Matchups always matter of course. The point is we are prematurely losing our minds over two home games against a one man team. Might just want to tap the brakes a little bit is all.

dont get me wrong i was just mentioning how impressed i am by your boys

they are a nice group, brunson is impressing me and the rest of the roster plays really damn hard defensively

[parsnips33]

honestly from what i have seen luka-less dallas may give warriors a tougher time than denver, their defense feels like it would matchup well against warriord approach tbh

But that's not really the point. Matchups always matter of course. The point is we are prematurely losing our minds over two home games against a one man team. Might just want to tap the brakes a little bit is all.

All fair. But if I'm gonna lose my mind over beating 1 man, it's gonna be this 1 man considering the season he just put up

IF warriors go on to win this series, the competition gets stiffer with each round. And they haven't even gone on the road yet

[eminence]

Have the Warriors won the title - obviously no. Strictly speaking playoffs they've probably looked the most impressive so far though. We'll see how they continue to look as the playoffs go on.