Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe

[magic1fan]

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[jaypo]

How can you "prove" that Nash deserved the MVP? It's a biased voting system. And Nash had a good year, but Shaq went to a team that was .500 the year before and helped transform them into legit championship contenders while putting up great numbers. Sure, there's no guarantee that they would have won the title. But judging how they played against Detroit, I'd say it is a safe bet. Anyhow, that's why I said IMAGINE.

Shaq shot 4/11 which is STILL better % than Kobe. Oh, and Shaq was also the 3rd option on offense being double and triple teamed on the downside of his career. He wasn't the focus of the offense in his prime in a game 7 at home. Oh, yeah. Did I mention that he shot over 60% for the entire series????

[Die93]

Kind of like how Shaq went 4/11 for 9 points in the deciding game 6 against the Mavs. It totally washes away the fact that they won the game doing the other things needed to win. Shooting % isn't the end all be all.

the difference is that wasnt the biggest game of his career, game 7 against boston was kobe's

[andrewww]

Kind of like how Shaq went 4/11 for 9 points in the deciding game 6 against the Mavs. It totally washes away the fact that they won the game doing the other things needed to win. Shooting % isn't the end all be all.

the difference is that wasnt the biggest game of his career, game 7 against boston was kobe's

and then the jordan jockriders conveniently forget that he went 5-19 in game 6 of the 96 finals, and shot poorly as a whole for the entire series. but since it's kobe he's definitely not getting the benefit of a doubt from realgm.

[therealbig3]

I think the Spurs take it against the Heat. Nobody on that team can stop Parker, Ginobili, or Duncan. And Bowen won't let Wade average 35 ppg against him like Josh Howard did. Jason Terry lit up the Heat in 06, imagine what Parker and Ginobili could do. Duncan went up against the Wallace bros, had a subpar series (in terms of FG%), but he dominated everything else. On the Heat, no one, not even Shaq, would be able to stop Duncan, who was still in his prime. Walker? Old man Zo? And the Spurs have historically defended Shaq as well as anyone, I don't see him having a monster series.

[Die93]

Kind of like how Shaq went 4/11 for 9 points in the deciding game 6 against the Mavs. It totally washes away the fact that they won the game doing the other things needed to win. Shooting % isn't the end all be all.

the difference is that wasnt the biggest game of his career, game 7 against boston was kobe's

and then the jordan jockriders conveniently forget that he went 5-19 in game 6 of the 96 finals, and shot poorly as a whole for the entire series. but since it's kobe he's definitely not getting the benefit of a doubt from realgm.

that was the biggst game of mj's career?

[therealbig3]

^yeah, it's tied for it. It's a closeout Finals game. Since he never went to game 7, a closeout game 6 would be tied as Jordan's biggest game of his career.

[Rapcity_11]

How can you "prove" that Nash deserved the MVP? It's a biased voting system. And Nash had a good year, but Shaq went to a team that was .500 the year before and helped transform them into legit championship contenders while putting up great numbers. Sure, there's no guarantee that they would have won the title. But judging how they played against Detroit, I'd say it is a safe bet. Anyhow, that's why I said IMAGINE.

Shaq shot 4/11 which is STILL better % than Kobe. Oh, and Shaq was also the 3rd option on offense being double and triple teamed on the downside of his career. He wasn't the focus of the offense in his prime in a game 7 at home. Oh, yeah. Did I mention that he shot over 60% for the entire series????

I happen to agree with the choice of Nash as MVP but if he didn't win I wouldn't say he was robbed or if someone suggests an actual deserving candidate I have no problem with that. To say Shaq was robbed is laughable considering he probably wasn't even the MVP of his own team.

[jaypo]

He was traded to a .500 ball club, and they instantly became contenders. I'd say that's pretty valuable. I never agree with Nash winning an MVP because I think that an MVP should have some value on both ends of the court. Nash plays matador defense. But he makes pretty passes, so I guess that makes it better?

[Rapcity_11]

He was traded to a .500 ball club, and they instantly became contenders. I'd say that's pretty valuable. I never agree with Nash winning an MVP because I think that an MVP should have some value on both ends of the court. Nash plays matador defense. But he makes pretty passes, so I guess that makes it better?

D-Wade's leap into stardom (which was largely independent of Shaq) was the main reason the Heat became contenders. By the way your argument for Shaq actually works just as well if not better for Nash.

If you're looking for a two-way player that season, it's Duncan, not Shaq.

[jaypo]

Duncan has always been a great 2 way player (except this season!). But Nash is clearly a 1 way player. That's why I disagree with his choice for MVP. And Wade's leap into stardom had a little shove by having a dominant post player taking pressure off of him. I'm sure Wade would have been great regardless, but Shaq made it that much easier for him.

I'm cool if you disagree with me. But I still think Shaq deserved that MVP, and many analysts shared that sentiment.