The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3)

JulesWinnfield · Post #261 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Fri May 20, 2016 9:26 pm

I don't look at Lowry/Derozan as true stars in the strictest sense either... But you would still be within your rights to expect some resemblance to their regular season production in playoff play, and it's just so very far off right now. Really disappointing. I'm really someone who attempts to downplay things like choker labels and find there is often (usually always) more reasonable explanations for the deterioration of a given players production in a big spot, but this duo is making it tough on me this time. A bunch of this is mental, no avoiding it

I'm rooting for the Cavs because I'm rooting for Lebron, but part of me always wants to see the Raptors shine. They have a great fan base, the whole Jurassic park think is really cool. I love the way the whole country rallies around that team, and its great for growth of the game if popularity continues to trend upward up north... So it's really a bummer to see them so uncompetitive. It has been a great season regardless though, and they have a lotto pick to improve upon their situation.

Dupp · Post #262 » by **Dupp** » Fri May 20, 2016 10:32 pm

Shump on bron after game 2

Being around the league so many years and playing at a high level, he seems to know every coaches scheme, he knows all the adjustments before they happen. Going into timeouts, he is always talking about what adjustments they have to make now and what pass is about to be open. He is constantly keeping us one step ahead

VideoGameJames · Post #263 » by **VideoGameJames** » Fri May 20, 2016 10:49 pm

Dupp wrote:So fourth all time playoff scoring already, pretty amazing.

Looking forward his jumper is really starting to look very ugly again...

SideshowBob wrote:Delly time

Hasnt been enough of this in the playoffs

Edit - Just realised lebron is gonna move to 4th all time scoring, 3rd assists and top 10 playoff rebounds in nba history this post season... insane.

Also no one really talks about his midrange game gone awol but thats a much bigger loss than his 3 imo.

Midrange (16-24 ft) is actually the only place his jumper has looked servicable albeit tiny sample size. 7/13 for 53%. Made some key contested ones late in the Hawks series. Also, 12/33 for 36.4% on above the break 3s, 0/8 on corner 3s :banghead:

(0/4 from both). Lebron's shooting will never make any sense.

BasketballFan7 · Post #264 » by **BasketballFan7** » Fri May 20, 2016 11:01 pm

PaulieWal wrote:
Arman_tanzarian wrote:Our top dogs are delusional basketball players. Only JV and role players like Carroll, Biz keep it real. The top dudes think they are lebron/kyrie tier.

I don't even think that DD/Lowry think that they are LBJ/Kyrie tier. They are both (more so DD) very flawed players and in the playoffs fail to perform because their games can be easily gameplanned for.

If I am Masai there's no way I am offering DD the max. If Lakers/Philly or some other crap team wants to give him the max then so be it. You can use that capspace on better role players while keeping the same ceiling in the East as a playoff team which loses in the 2nd round/ECF.

Norman Powell is a beast, too, and plays the same position.

BasketballFan7 · Post #265 » by **BasketballFan7** » Fri May 20, 2016 11:11 pm

Channing Frye rocking a 143 offensive rating.

akron_hammer · Post #266 » by **akron_hammer** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:04 am

It is remarkable LeBron can be playing at such a high level despite the fact his jumper is completely broken and he struggles to score in isolation. I keep waiting for him to have a rough stretch with the limitations in his game now, and it just isn't happening.

akron_hammer · Post #267 » by **akron_hammer** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:06 am

Dupp wrote:Shump on bron after game 2

Being around the league so many years and playing at a high level, he seems to know every coaches scheme, he knows all the adjustments before they happen. Going into timeouts, he is always talking about what adjustments they have to make now and what pass is about to be open. He is constantly keeping us one step ahead

It's like watching Peyton Manning but with more athletic ability. He is so far ahead of everyone else when it comes to reading the game.

toodles23 · Post #268 » by **toodles23** » Sun May 22, 2016 12:54 am

Kyrie taking some real dumb shots today.

MisterHibachi · Post #269 » by **MisterHibachi** » Sun May 22, 2016 1:02 am

Bad Kyrie today.

kayess · Post #270 » by **kayess** » Sun May 22, 2016 1:09 am

Kyrie's IQ for creating shots for himself may be high, but otherwise... God damn man. If he plays like that (and he usually does - the shots just fall more sometimes) they'll get clobbered by GSW

RSCD3_ · Post #271 » by **RSCD3_** » Sun May 22, 2016 1:33 am

Well I havent heard LeFlop in a few years so lets hope lebron returns to that form after that huge exaggeration of contact from his own dude. Maybe the hate the favorite crowd will shift away from GS to cleveland and he will refind his jumper

Seems his jumper is inverse to how many mainstream fans he has :lol:

RSCD3_ · Post #272 » by **RSCD3_** » Sun May 22, 2016 1:36 am

Double post

Post #273 » by **PaulieWal** » Sun May 22, 2016 1:40 am

RSCD3_ wrote:Well I havent heard LeFlop in a few years so lets hope lebron returns to that form after that huge exaggeration of contact from his own dude. Maybe the hate the favorite crowd will shift away from GS to cleveland and he will refind his jumper

Seems his jumper is inverse to how many mainstream fans he has

Thought LeBron had stopped flopping. He brought his A flop game tonight. Two epic ones so far....

Still expect Raps to blow this lead at some point in the 3rd or 4th.

Dr Positivity · Post #274 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun May 22, 2016 1:53 am

JulesWinnfield wrote:I don't look at Lowry/Derozan as true stars in the strictest sense either... But you would still be within your rights to expect some resemblance to their regular season production in playoff play, and it's just so very far off right now. Really disappointing. I'm really someone who attempts to downplay things like choker labels and find there is often (usually always) more reasonable explanations for the deterioration of a given players production in a big spot, but this duo is making it tough on me this time. A bunch of this is mental, no avoiding it

Neither are chokers. Lowry has played like an all-star in 2 of 4 playoff series with Toronto (not counting Cleveland) and the 2 others were affected by injury. Last year he was a shell months before the Washington series, post ASB he was 15/5/5 on .50 TS% including 12ppg .44 TS in February after playing well enough to be all-star starter the season up to that point, there's no question he was messed up. This season his FG% the last 3 weeks of these season was in the low 30s since he couldn't hit a jumpshot and that carried over to the playoffs. In spite of his shooting he's stepped up with a handful of big 4th quarter shots these playoffs even before the game of his life in a G7 and has been game in every other area but scoring which has helped the Raptors be much better with him playing. Overall for both injury reasons and just not being talented or good enough, he's not a #1 guy on a contender, would be nice #2 though

It's not ALL injury related, what I would attribute it to is the Raptors offensive style of play being predictable and one on one based allowing teams to stop the 2 guards from driving to the basket and getting to the FT line. The difference is that Lowry has much more ways to be a good player in hitting 3s, passing, playing defense and rebounding. When Derozan isn't getting go the rim and FT line the only game he has is 35% midrange shots

JulesWinnfield · Post #275 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Sun May 22, 2016 1:53 am

His flopping I.Q. is off the charts. Look closely and you'll see he shoves Tristan in the back to gain the necessary momentum to flop with full force. He can anticipate the flop before it happens. He has it down to a science

JulesWinnfield · Post #276 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Sun May 22, 2016 1:58 am

Oh man. That finish through the Derozan grab is career mix worthy.

This thing is down to 6 already. Feels like a matter of time

ppedro123 · Post #277 » by **ppedro123** » Sun May 22, 2016 2:01 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
JulesWinnfield wrote:I don't look at Lowry/Derozan as true stars in the strictest sense either... But you would still be within your rights to expect some resemblance to their regular season production in playoff play, and it's just so very far off right now. Really disappointing. I'm really someone who attempts to downplay things like choker labels and find there is often (usually always) more reasonable explanations for the deterioration of a given players production in a big spot, but this duo is making it tough on me this time. A bunch of this is mental, no avoiding it

Neither are chokers. Lowry has played like an all-star in 2 of 4 playoff series with Toronto and the 2 others were affected by injury.Last year he was a shell months before the Washington series, post ASB he was 15/5/5 on .50 TS% including 12ppg .44 TS in February after playing well enough to be all-star starter the season up to that point, there's no question he was messed up. This season his FG% the last 3 weeks of these season was in the low 30s since he couldn't hit a jumpshot and that carried over to the playoffs. In spite of his shooting he's stepped up with a handful of big 4th quarter shots these playoffs even before the game of his life in a G7 and has been game in every other area but scoring which has helped the Raptors be much better with him playing. Overall for both injury reasons and just not being talented or good enough, he's not a #1 guy on a contender, would be nice #2 though

It's not ALL injury related, what I would attribute it to is the Raptors offensive style of play being predictable and one on one based allowing teams to stop the 2 guards from driving to the basket and getting to the FT line. The difference is that Lowry has much more ways to be a good player in hitting 3s, passing, playing defense and rebounding. When Derozan isn't getting go the rim and FT line the only game he has is 35% midrange shots

Yeah, keep fooling yourself.

Post #278 » by **PaulieWal** » Sun May 22, 2016 2:02 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Neither are chokers. Lowry has played like an all-star in 2 of 4 playoff series with Toronto (not counting Cleveland) and the 2 others were affected by injury.

That's incredibly generous. He was okay against Brooklyn and then had 3 good games against Miami.

Post #279 » by **PaulieWal** » Sun May 22, 2016 2:03 am

JulesWinnfield wrote:His flopping I.Q. is off the charts. Look closely and you'll see he shoves Tristan in the back to gain the necessary momentum to flop with full force. He can anticipate the flop before it happens. He has it down to a science

He stopped flopping once he returned to the Land but on the road you gotta bring out all your tools, I don't even blame him for the flops tonight. It took Lowry off the floor in the first half.

Dr Positivity · Post #280 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun May 22, 2016 2:14 am

PaulieWal wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:Neither are chokers. Lowry has played like an all-star in 2 of 4 playoff series with Toronto (not counting Cleveland) and the 2 others were affected by injury.

That's incredibly generous. He was okay against Brooklyn and then had 3 good games against Miami.

21/5/5 on .57 TS% against Brooklyn and 23/6/5 .52 TS% against Miami, it isn't Lebron numbers but nobody would blink about them if it wasn't for the other series