The LeBron James - 21-22 Regular Season Thread - New Thread Soon Part 2

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Post#2681 » by MoneyMo » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:14 am

Damn.. He's scoring so effortlessly now. He's reminding me of that 2018 playoff run. What are his averages now after this game??
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Post#2682 » by thebigbird » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:17 am

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Don't let anyone pretend no one doubted this man. Solomon Hill fell into his ankle and people forgot what was what.

I don’t think I even argue with his take that LeBron has been declining since 2013. I’d easily take 2016-2018 LeBron over 2013 LeBron. He may have been more athletic in 2013 but that’s it, imo. 2018 LeBron doesn’t take only 18 shots a game in the finals like 2014 LeBron did. Frankly, if you swap 2018 playoff LeBron with 2014 LeBron, they may beat the Spurs.


I'm referring more to the last sentence where Bomani was doubting just earlier this month whether LeBron is still all star calibre.

Yeah my reply wasn’t really to the main point of his tweet/your post. I was just saying that I disagree with everything in his post because I don’t even agree with his take that LeBron has steadily been declining since 2013.

Three weeks ago Bomani says that LeBron has clearly fallen off, three weeks later and LeBron has went for 30+ in 7 straight games lol. They’ve been doing this every year for over half a decade and every year LeBron makes them look silly.
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Post#2683 » by thebigbird » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:20 am

MoneyMo wrote:Damn.. He's scoring so effortlessly now. He's reminding me of that 2018 playoff run. What are his averages now after this game??

28.6/7.5/6.6 on 52.4% shooting (not sure how to calculate TS%).
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Post#2684 » by SideshowBob » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:24 am

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MoneyMo wrote:Damn.. He's scoring so effortlessly now. He's reminding me of that 2018 playoff run. What are his averages now after this game??

28.6/7.5/6.6 on 52.4% shooting (not sure how to calculate TS%).


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Post#2685 » by MoneyMo » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:33 am

thebigbird wrote:
MoneyMo wrote:Damn.. He's scoring so effortlessly now. He's reminding me of that 2018 playoff run. What are his averages now after this game??

28.6/7.5/6.6 on 52.4% shooting (not sure how to calculate TS%).

Geez.. With AD out until February most likely, I wonder if he challenges Durant for the scoring title.
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Post#2686 » by thebigbird » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:41 am

MoneyMo wrote:
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MoneyMo wrote:Damn.. He's scoring so effortlessly now. He's reminding me of that 2018 playoff run. What are his averages now after this game??

28.6/7.5/6.6 on 52.4% shooting (not sure how to calculate TS%).

Geez.. With AD out until February most likely, I wonder if he challenges Durant for the scoring title.

Depends on how long AD is actually out, imo. Durant is at 29.9 ppg right now. Kyrie is coming back and Harden is getting back to his regular form, so Durant’s numbers could drop a bit. They’ve probably got at least another month before AD is back so I could see LeBron passing up Durant. He’s building a pretty good two man game with Westbrook and getting a lot of easy baskets. He’s averaging 30.7 ppg on 66% TS in December.
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Post#2687 » by homecourtloss » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:43 am

7 straight games with 30+ points and 50%+ FG doesn’t really happen and certainly not at 37.

Jordan had 7 straight such games in 1988 and 8 straight in 1989. Had a few other very close to doing it and had runs if 6-8 straight games of 30+ a few times in 90, 92, 96.

KD has only scored 30+ points 7 games in a row twice—in that crazy 2014 run in which he was 50%+ in each game and another streak of 7 in a row in 2010 but not with each game at 50%+ FG. He’s actually on a 5 game streak of scoring 30+ right now.
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Post#2688 » by MoneyMo » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:51 am

thebigbird wrote:
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thebigbird wrote:28.6/7.5/6.6 on 52.4% shooting (not sure how to calculate TS%).

Geez.. With AD out until February most likely, I wonder if he challenges Durant for the scoring title.

Depends on how long AD is actually out, imo. Durant is at 29.9 ppg right now. Kyrie is coming back and Harden is getting back to his regular form, so Durant’s numbers could drop a bit. They’ve probably got at least another month before AD is back so I could see LeBron passing up Durant. He’s building a pretty good two man game with Westbrook and getting a lot of easy baskets. He’s averaging 30.7 ppg on 66% TS in December.

Another scoring title would look good in his trophy case.
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Post#2689 » by falcolombardi » Sat Jan 1, 2022 7:16 am

MisterHibachi wrote:Three potential top 10 players are playing at or near their peaks right now, and they don't have any clear separation from a year 19 LeBron.


curry, giannis and jokic?
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Post#2690 » by falcolombardi » Sat Jan 1, 2022 7:18 am

thebigbird wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
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Don't let anyone pretend no one doubted this man. Solomon Hill fell into his ankle and people forgot what was what.

I don’t think I even argue with his take that LeBron has been declining since 2013. I’d easily take 2016-2018 LeBron over 2013 LeBron. He may have been more athletic in 2013 but that’s it, imo. 2018 LeBron doesn’t take only 18 shots a game in the finals like 2014 LeBron did. Frankly, if you swap 2018 playoff LeBron with 2014 LeBron, they may beat the Spurs.


i dont remember offense being the reason why miami lost in 2014 but rather the fact they were absolutely murdered by spurs offense, 2017 finals lite

then again. it has been a long time so i may be misremembering that series
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Post#2691 » by zimpy27 » Sat Jan 1, 2022 7:50 am

falcolombardi wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:Three potential top 10 players are playing at or near their peaks right now, and they don't have any clear separation from a year 19 LeBron.


curry, giannis and jokic?

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Post#2692 » by trickshot » Sat Jan 1, 2022 9:11 am

falcolombardi wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
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Don't let anyone pretend no one doubted this man. Solomon Hill fell into his ankle and people forgot what was what.

I don’t think I even argue with his take that LeBron has been declining since 2013. I’d easily take 2016-2018 LeBron over 2013 LeBron. He may have been more athletic in 2013 but that’s it, imo. 2018 LeBron doesn’t take only 18 shots a game in the finals like 2014 LeBron did. Frankly, if you swap 2018 playoff LeBron with 2014 LeBron, they may beat the Spurs.


i dont remember offense being the reason why miami lost in 2014 but rather the fact they were absolutely murdered by spurs offense, 2017 finals lite

then again. it has been a long time so i may be misremembering that series

Yeah I think the low shot totals were because the entire series was garbage time. Imo 14 Lebron actually had one of the best repertoires. That was the most comfortable he looked generating buckets against the Spurs in his whole playoff career. Heat lost because 14 spurs were hot and their ball movement heavy offense was the natural enemy of Heat's trap heavy defense.

According to Kerr the 14 Spurs was one of the inspirations for what we see in the 15-17 and present warriors. Back then Spoelstra also wasn't as polished as he is now. The Heat didn't adjust their trap spammy defense to not trap spurs non-scorers. At a point Diaw was shredding them with passing, a guy with no scoring gravity was drawing help, it was nuts, Spurs were amazing but the Heat made it too easy at times. I honestly thought that was as bad as brooks refusing to downsize in the 12 finals.
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Post#2693 » by kayess » Sat Jan 1, 2022 12:04 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Three potential top 10 players are playing at or near their peaks right now, and they don't have any clear separation from a year 19 LeBron.


Steph, Giannis and KD?

I guess Jokic doesn't have anywhere near the longevity yet, but he's launching his assault on the pantheon as we speak
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Post#2694 » by kayess » Sat Jan 1, 2022 12:09 pm

It's almost mid-season. What's the latest and greatest take on LeBron/the Lakers? Also, what in the **** has happened to AD?

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Can't wait for a federer think-piece esque on how long the "decline" has been, a la: https://the-cauldron.com/the-eternal-sunset-of-roger-federer-95cb4ab3e955?gi=3535c1222527 (written before he'd win a bunch more slams!). Any must-read/watch breakdowns of LeBron this year?
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Post#2695 » by DCasey91 » Sat Jan 1, 2022 12:25 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
Read on Twitter


Don't let anyone pretend no one doubted this man. Solomon Hill fell into his ankle and people forgot what was what.

I don’t think I even argue with his take that LeBron has been declining since 2013. I’d easily take 2016-2018 LeBron over 2013 LeBron. He may have been more athletic in 2013 but that’s it, imo. 2018 LeBron doesn’t take only 18 shots a game in the finals like 2014 LeBron did. Frankly, if you swap 2018 playoff LeBron with 2014 LeBron, they may beat the Spurs.


i dont remember offense being the reason why miami lost in 2014 but rather the fact they were absolutely murdered by spurs offense, 2017 finals lite

then again. it has been a long time so i may be misremembering that series


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Post#2696 » by thebigbird » Sat Jan 1, 2022 2:17 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
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Don't let anyone pretend no one doubted this man. Solomon Hill fell into his ankle and people forgot what was what.

I don’t think I even argue with his take that LeBron has been declining since 2013. I’d easily take 2016-2018 LeBron over 2013 LeBron. He may have been more athletic in 2013 but that’s it, imo. 2018 LeBron doesn’t take only 18 shots a game in the finals like 2014 LeBron did. Frankly, if you swap 2018 playoff LeBron with 2014 LeBron, they may beat the Spurs.


i dont remember offense being the reason why miami lost in 2014 but rather the fact they were absolutely murdered by spurs offense, 2017 finals lite

then again. it has been a long time so i may be misremembering that series

I don’t really remember the series in great detail, so I’m just going off the box scores. Miami scored under 100 in all 5 games: 96, 98, 92, 86, and 87. The Spurs averaged 105.6 ppg in the series. Some of that may be due to the lower scoring back in 2014 and pace because Spurs shot the lights out in the series. So, maybe it wouldn’t have even mattered. I still would take 2018 LeBron over 2013 or 2014 in a series for my life, though.
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Post#2697 » by Heej » Sat Jan 1, 2022 3:45 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:Three potential top 10 players are playing at or near their peaks right now, and they don't have any clear separation from a year 19 LeBron.


curry, giannis and jokic?

Durant

Yea cuz if we're being real I think Jokic is still smacking LeBron and the rest of the league in production right now.

@kayess I'm several games behind due to some distractions these last few weeks but I've started catching up. Just watched the Suns game, but I've been keeping up with the thread and am really looking forward to seeing the god stretch that's been happening. Will absolutely post my thoughts upon catching up, but whoever mentioned LeBron's finishing touch earlier in the thread is right on the money. I've seen a few finishes from him during the Suns and Bulls games that I didn't actually expect to go in given the angle he was coming in on and the slight lack of elevation he had. Bron is gonna be a great under the rim finisher even in his old age.

Also in regards to 2014, only Jesus Christ himself could've saved the Heat in that series in lieu of LeBron lol. Idk if a healthy Wade would've even been enough. You'd have needed 2018 Bron and a Healthy Wade to have beaten that buzzsaw
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Post#2698 » by Djoker » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:06 pm

I said this last year and I've been called crazy but I see Lebron playing 6 more seasons after this one so 25 seasons in the NBA. He will finish with 45k points, 12k rebounds, 12k assists, 22x All-NBA, 24x All-Star and I see him winning 1-2 more rings.
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Post#2699 » by apeezus » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:17 pm

Once again Bron unlocks his deepest, most refined offensive bag once he gets to year 4 with his new team (2014, 2018, and this season).
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Post#2700 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:39 pm

Djoker wrote:I said this last year and I've been called crazy but I see Lebron playing 6 more seasons after this one so 25 seasons in the NBA. He will finish with 45k points, 12k rebounds, 12k assists, 22x All-NBA, 24x All-Star and I see him winning 1-2 more rings.


I think he should be good to go to 40 but I mean injuries become a bigger obstacle at 35+. Even LeBron has missed a ton of games the last 3 years. With good health 43k definitely seems doable for him.

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