The LeBron James - 21-22 Regular Season Thread - New Thread Soon Part 2

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Re: The LeBron James - 21-22 Regular Season Thread - New Thread Soon Part 2 

Post#2721 » by McBubbles » Sun Jan 2, 2022 9:31 pm

falcolombardi wrote:it is being discussed in another thread about greatest rim slashers but how good do you think lebron would be at it in the 70's-90's? (the jordan vs lebron best rim slashers thread)

my impression is that he would ve still the best in the league at it just like he was in the late 00's (except maybe for wade?) but many think the more bigger bodies and cramped spacing would limit him compared to smaller slashers like jordan

i have many doubts about the idea, generally smaller or more finnese Driven rim game is less efficient that raw power finishing where you can absorb the contact and finish without needing to make Extreme body contours (no matter how good you are at that)

the assumption seems to be that lebron never played against conparable rim protectors than jordan, but i find it questionable since jordan was not exactly playing against robinson or hakeem 100% of the time either, and based on efficiency against ewing knicks in playoffs it seems a safe bet that jordan was not impervious to great rim protectors (neither is lebron for that matter)

also the fact that lebron has comparable efficiency to prime jordan (sometimes better,s sometimes a bit worse but more often the former) with generally much worse free throw and junpshooting makes me assume lebron had a clear edge in either rim volume or rim efficiency


1. He'd still be the best in the league relatively speaking imo (or best after Shaq), just at a lower percentage than right now.

2. Is the bolded actually true? I've heard this from casuals and experts alike for years, but the past couple of days I've been looking at his efficiency around the rim against some of his tougher defensive competition and it's usually at bare minimum elite, if not ATG as usual.

(Please ignore the horribly inconsistent formatting I'm very tired and too lazy to edit).

07 Finals, his most notorious "wow he was ass that series" series, he shot 66% in the restricted area on 8.8 attempts per game. ATG.

08 SECF against Celtics 66% on 6 attempts per game. Elite.

09 ECF against Magic, 11 attempts per game on 62% shooting. ATG.

10 SECF against Celtics, 7 attempts per game on 67%, elite.

11 ECF against Bulls, 6 attempts per game on 61%. Meh.

12 SECF against the Pacers, 8 attempts on 71%. ATG.

12 ECF against the Celtics, 8 attempts on 79%. GOAT

13 ECF against Pacers. 7 attempts on 68%. Elite.

13 Finals against Spurs. 7 attempts on 67%. Elite.

14 ECF against Pacers. 6.3 attempts on 81.6%. GOAT.

14 Finals against Spurs. 6.7 attempts on 66.7%. Elite.

Even the 2015 Finals, another series notorious for his inefficiency, 8.8 attempts on 67.8%. ATG.

So he only struggled once in that timeframe against the ATG 2011 Bulls defence, in which he had a bad percentage for his standards but a good percentage overall.

The only thing that typically changes drastically is efficiency from mid-range. His already bad 37% mid range becomes a horrid 20%-25%.
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Re: The LeBron James - 21-22 Regular Season Thread - New Thread Soon Part 2 

Post#2722 » by McBubbles » Sun Jan 2, 2022 9:42 pm

falcolombardi wrote:man, lakers board is weird

"so, it's pretty clear LeBron is gunning for Kareem's all time Scoring Leader crown...

it'll be kind of a shame if/when he does... That's the one record that defines the difference in eras more than any other, and what Malone, Kareem and even MJ did in achieving their place on it, is special and shouldn't be a victim of the modern era...

Kareem attempted 18 3pt shots for his entire career.. Malone attempted 301. MJ attempted 1778.

LeBron on the other hand is 8th on the all time attempts leader-board

So in a way, if Lebron passes Kareem (he seems sure to pass Malone, which is a shame in itself), it will likely, forever change the narrative about scoring in the NBA. And IMO cheapen the greatness of those who went before him...

Time for a weighted scale... Most points by someone with fewer than 2000 3pt attempts, and most for someone with over 2000...
MJ, I think deserves to be on the same mountain with Malone and Kareem, but I'm not so sure guys who came after like Kobe, LeBron, Curry do..."

apparently breaking récords is shameful and disrespectful to older eras which obviously deserved them way more cause reasons?


Also, I don't even know wtf any of that means. I'm not even being hyperbolic, I legitimately don't know what point they're trying to get accross I'm the bolded? How tf does the all time scoring list define the difference between eras? That'd be the 3 point list if anything. And what narrative about scoring :-?

That's ignoring the fact his point is dumb af and arbitrary anyway. That'd like saying "Time for a weighted scale... Most points by anyone who played in an era with fewer than a bajillion possessions a game. LeBron, I think, deserves to be on the mountain with Kobe and MJ, but I'm not so sure guys that came before like Kareem or Wilt do...".
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Re: The LeBron James - 21-22 Regular Season Thread - New Thread Soon Part 2 

Post#2723 » by falcolombardi » Sun Jan 2, 2022 9:45 pm

McBubbles wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:man, lakers board is weird

"so, it's pretty clear LeBron is gunning for Kareem's all time Scoring Leader crown...

it'll be kind of a shame if/when he does... That's the one record that defines the difference in eras more than any other, and what Malone, Kareem and even MJ did in achieving their place on it, is special and shouldn't be a victim of the modern era...

Kareem attempted 18 3pt shots for his entire career.. Malone attempted 301. MJ attempted 1778.

LeBron on the other hand is 8th on the all time attempts leader-board

So in a way, if Lebron passes Kareem (he seems sure to pass Malone, which is a shame in itself), it will likely, forever change the narrative about scoring in the NBA. And IMO cheapen the greatness of those who went before him...

Time for a weighted scale... Most points by someone with fewer than 2000 3pt attempts, and most for someone with over 2000...
MJ, I think deserves to be on the same mountain with Malone and Kareem, but I'm not so sure guys who came after like Kobe, LeBron, Curry do..."

apparently breaking récords is shameful and disrespectful to older eras which obviously deserved them way more cause reasons?


Also, I don't even know wtf any of that means. I'm not even being hyperbolic, I legitimately don't know what point they're trying to get accross I'm the bolded? How tf does the all time scoring list define the difference between eras? That'd be the 3 point list if anything. And what narrative about scoring :-?

That's ignoring the fact his point is dumb af and arbitrary anyway. That'd like saying "Time for a weighted scale... Most points by anyone who played in an era with fewer than a bajillion possessions a game. LeBron, I think, deserves to be on the mountain with Kobe and MJ, but I'm not so sure guys that came before like Kareem or Wilt do...".


they seem angry than non retired players are doing thinghs and getting praise i guess

30 years after they retire maybe they will allow them to receive credit
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Post#2724 » by McBubbles » Sun Jan 2, 2022 9:46 pm

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In the 2013 Finals he kept Wade in even after his injury and complete lack of spacing was tanking the Heats offence and was extremely slow to adjust, and in the 2014 Finals he adjusted so slow that he didn't adjust at all ._. just got blown tf out by the Spurs pass heavy offence and never changed his defensive scheme. So he didn't do the only thing he was even particularly good at coaching wise in the Finals.

Not to mention that despite the fact Lebron is a better on ball player than off ball player, and the Heat's offence was way better with Lebron having the ball in his hands, Spoelstra had a weird fetish for taking the ball OUT of Lebron's hands and not even into Wade's hands, but into the hands of Mario **** Chalmers. This peaked in 2014 with both Lebron and Wade averaging their career low assists/100 in the post season that year with Chalmers averaging his second career highest / highest in the Heatles era.

Spoelstra was promising but still really really green. He should for sure have used Wade sparingly, he was injured and the Spurs got to ignore him. I understand Wade was Mr Miami so they were committed to riding or dying with him which was honestly a bit naive. That game 6 4th quarter where he was benched was like an anchor taken off the neck of the offense. They erased that Spurs lead so quick. The naivety of the wade decision got somewhat downplayed because Wade finally showed up in game 7 but that series also felt like they didn't put their best foot forward till game 6.

In 14 they played right into the spurs hands, Diaw as an example had an almost 20 minute Montage of Heat overreacting to anything he did. He could sneeze and draw 2 defenders. Like the first possession here, overreacting to a diaw drive and leaving Duncan open under the basket. The gameplan had no real threat grading, they trapped and scrambled to wherever the ball was. Draymond Green would win Finals MVP every time if teams played him this way. Current Spo would coach circles around the Heat repeat spoelstra. Liked his adjustments after game 2 of the 20 finals.



Appreciated the vid. Boris averaged nearly 6 assists per game with a 3.6 : 1 AST : TO ratio that series :noway: ridiculous. You'd think that'd signal the need for some sort of adjustment, but nay.
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Post#2725 » by thebigbird » Sun Jan 2, 2022 9:57 pm

falcolombardi wrote:man, lakers board is weird

"so, it's pretty clear LeBron is gunning for Kareem's all time Scoring Leader crown...

it'll be kind of a shame if/when he does... That's the one record that defines the difference in eras more than any other, and what Malone, Kareem and even MJ did in achieving their place on it, is special and shouldn't be a victim of the modern era...

Kareem attempted 18 3pt shots for his entire career.. Malone attempted 301. MJ attempted 1778.

LeBron on the other hand is 8th on the all time attempts leader-board

So in a way, if Lebron passes Kareem (he seems sure to pass Malone, which is a shame in itself), it will likely, forever change the narrative about scoring in the NBA. And IMO cheapen the greatness of those who went before him...

Time for a weighted scale... Most points by someone with fewer than 2000 3pt attempts, and most for someone with over 2000...
MJ, I think deserves to be on the same mountain with Malone and Kareem, but I'm not so sure guys who came after like Kobe, LeBron, Curry do..."

apparently breaking récords is shameful and disrespectful to older eras which obviously deserved them way more cause reasons?

That particular poster will find literally anything to crap on LeBron for. It’s very odd.

The Lakers’ fanbase is pretty awful/toxic and a big reason why I never wanted LeBron to sign there. A big portion of them are just Kobe stans who hate LeBron.
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Post#2726 » by trickshot » Sun Jan 2, 2022 10:24 pm

thebigbird wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:man, lakers board is weird

"so, it's pretty clear LeBron is gunning for Kareem's all time Scoring Leader crown...

it'll be kind of a shame if/when he does... That's the one record that defines the difference in eras more than any other, and what Malone, Kareem and even MJ did in achieving their place on it, is special and shouldn't be a victim of the modern era...

Kareem attempted 18 3pt shots for his entire career.. Malone attempted 301. MJ attempted 1778.

LeBron on the other hand is 8th on the all time attempts leader-board

So in a way, if Lebron passes Kareem (he seems sure to pass Malone, which is a shame in itself), it will likely, forever change the narrative about scoring in the NBA. And IMO cheapen the greatness of those who went before him...

Time for a weighted scale... Most points by someone with fewer than 2000 3pt attempts, and most for someone with over 2000...
MJ, I think deserves to be on the same mountain with Malone and Kareem, but I'm not so sure guys who came after like Kobe, LeBron, Curry do..."

apparently breaking récords is shameful and disrespectful to older eras which obviously deserved them way more cause reasons?

That particular poster will find literally anything to crap on LeBron for. It’s very odd.

The Lakers’ fanbase is pretty awful/toxic and a big reason why I never wanted LeBron to sign there. A big portion of them are just Kobe stans who hate LeBron.

Don't mix kobe fans with Laker fans. I used to think lowly of the fanbase but for a franchise that considered Lebron competition most of his career they seem to recognize the greatness and have standards from the team. They aren't as attached to the name at the back of the jersey if the play delivers on the court. Upgrade their homegrown players for excellence and is why they aren't stuck in the naive cycle of mediocrity you see from other teams deceiving themselves the journey to nowhere is more important than winning. Actually one of the better fits for Lebron. Many franchises would still be crying silly about losing Ingram. It's however okay for Lakers to like Kobe more for purely sentimental reasons. He's a year 1 Laker.
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Post#2727 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:22 am

5 TOs for Westbrook already...
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Post#2728 » by zimpy27 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:33 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:5 TOs for Westbrook already...


7 TOs at half time for Westbrook :banghead:
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Post#2729 » by homecourtloss » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:44 am

If Westbrook protects the ball at replacement player level and the Lakers play Howard p, they have this game well in hand. Interesting yet a team with a fetish for playing two bigs won’t play one when he’d help.
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Post#2730 » by dcstanley » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:48 am

homecourtloss wrote:If Westbrook protects the ball at replacement player level and the Lakers play Howard p, they have this game well in hand. Interesting yet a team with a fetish for playing two bigs won’t play one when he’d help.

Vogel is such a rigid coach, he rarely ever deviates from his gameplan. I think he's a good coach overall but he isn't proactive at all. It took him six games in the finals to start Caurso over Dwight and five playoff games last year to bench Drummond.
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Post#2731 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:52 am

This team is infuriating to watch.
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Post#2732 » by MisterHibachi » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:54 am

Vogel should recognize quicker when no one is rebounding and put Dwight in. These offensive rebounds are ridiculous
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Post#2733 » by zimpy27 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:04 am

LeBron doesn't even have 10 FGA yet
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Post#2734 » by IG2 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:10 am

Lakers have 0 chance of winning this game if Vogel continues being a P and plays Westbrook his regular minutes. Literally from tip-off Westbrook hasn't shown the slightest inclination to play an actual basketball game out there. He has no business being out there and frankly, no business being on any team that's serious about winning.
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Post#2735 » by trickshot » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:20 am

games like this Russ needs to be drug tested for meth.
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Post#2736 » by IG2 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:26 am

What purpose does playing THT serve by this point. It doesn't even help his trade value since he's so awful.

Surely anybody on the bench not named DJ can provide more value on the court?
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Post#2737 » by GSP » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:39 am

Vanderbilt might be the toughest matchup for current Bron dont think Lakers wanna see Wolves in playins
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Post#2738 » by IG2 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:41 am

Lol ugly finish on offense for LeBron. He's so slow. Shoot jumpers, bro.
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Post#2739 » by falcolombardi » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:44 am

rip 30 point streak, but at least they won
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Post#2740 » by loveandbeer » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:45 am

Lebron be gunning for that 30 but he can't get it to fall :lol:

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