2020-21 NBA Season Discussion

70sFan · Post #2761 » by **70sFan** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:33 am

Also, hate to admit that but KD has been outstanding so far. The injury didn't slow him down at all.

GSP · Post #2762 » by **GSP** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:35 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:Even if the Lakers were fully healthy, I don't see a fathomable way they would have beat Brooklyn in a 7 game series. They don't have enough shooting. Who is guarding KD? Who is guarding Harden?

Both Lebron/AD this season weren't as good as 2020 and their role players are worse than last year IMO.

It was always a pipe dream that the Lakers could beat them. Lakers cannot defend wings in the playoffs.

Harden 29/7/5 on .664ts
Murray 25/7/4 on .631ts
Jimmy 26/10/8 on .658ts
Booker 30/6/5 on .626ts

They might be able to lock down Kyrie but we already saw they couldnt stop Harden when Harden had much worse around him including a liability in Westbrook. If Danuel House didnt get suspended Houston prolly wouldve taken 2 games. They made it tough as hell for La in the first 3-4 games. They are not stopping him and specially Kd. And they dont really have anyone to ignore on defense since Joe Harris is a top 5 shooter in the league and doesnt seem to miss open shots

And Brooklyns switching is actually a bad matchup defensively for La since none of the Lakers besides Bron and Ad can create their own shots off the dribble or on isos which theyd force alot more and the cramped spacing would make it even harder. Schroder can get to the rim but hes one dimensional. Even Ad would be making bad plays out of doubles. Bron is prolly too old and not as explosive to be the version he needs to be to make it a series

Dutchball97 · Post #2763 » by **Dutchball97** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:36 am

70sFan wrote:I'm disappointed by Milwaukee again... it seems that you can't be on their side against quality opponent. Giannis embarasses himself again in playoffs. Yet a lot of people call him better offensively than peak Shaq less than a year ago.

I'm not sure it's fair to put all the blame on Giannis. Didn't Middleton start like 0/7 from the field again? Lopez and Tucker looked lost as well.

Tabeegale · Post #2764 » by **Tabeegale** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:38 am

hello.. Im new here
Yea Milwaukee is disappointing @70sFan and @HeartBreakKid. Playoff basketball is about toughness all along, mentally and physically.
But I still believe they can bounce back. They have to. Or the superteams era will carry on..

70sFan · Post #2765 » by **70sFan** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:46 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
70sFan wrote:I'm disappointed by Milwaukee again... it seems that you can't be on their side against quality opponent. Giannis embarasses himself again in playoffs. Yet a lot of people call him better offensively than peak Shaq less than a year ago.

I'm not sure it's fair to put all the blame on Giannis. Didn't Middleton start like 0/7 from the field again? Lopez and Tucker looked lost as well.

Of course it's never about one player, but Giannis disappoints this season again. Even in Miami series he was nothing special and Bucks roster didn't look lost against the Heat.

I don't know, it's never been so hard for me judge an MVP player. I don't want to be overly harsh on Giannis and he's inarguably great player but he disappoints me every time I watch him play in playoffs.

GSP · Post #2766 » by **GSP** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:53 am

70sFan wrote:I'm disappointed by Milwaukee again... it seems that you can't be on their side against quality opponent. Giannis embarasses himself again in playoffs. Yet a lot of people call him better offensively than peak Shaq less than a year ago.

Wasnt it only that freethedevil and limbo dude that were saying that? IIRC everyone else was laughing at him for suggesting Giannis was close to Shaq offensively

Dr Positivity · Post #2767 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:56 am

Giannis has gaping holes in his offensive game, honestly I'm more confused by how he is 30 points per 36 in the regular season on elite efficiency than I am him struggling in the playoffs. As a scorer he's not even close in talent to players who scores more points than like Doncic, Tatum, Kawhi. He had the highest per minute scoring rate in the NBA in 2020 even over Harden, what. edit: As GSP alluded to the only other player like that is Robinson where I don't see the 27-30ppg guy instead of the 22-24ppg guy eye test wise, but his league leading scoring season he was at least playing 40 minutes.

Dupp · Post #2768 » by **Dupp** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:57 am

It’s not just his offense giannis defense goes the wrong way in the post season

GSP · Post #2769 » by **GSP** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:59 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Giannis has gaping holes in his offensive game, honestly I'm more confused by how he is 30 points per 36 in the regular season on elite efficiency than I am him struggling in the playoffs. As a scorer he's not even close in talent to players who scores more points than like Doncic, Tatum, Kawhi. He had the highest per minute scoring rate in the NBA in 2020 even over Harden, what.

Its like when David Robinson was having 70pt games in the regular season but wasnt that guy in the playoffs

thats why just looking at boxscore numbers is such a flawed way of analyzing players. Youd think Giannis was up there with the best scorers in the league when hes not even top 15

Dupp · Post #2770 » by **Dupp** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 7:34 am

GSP wrote:
Dupp wrote:Hot take alert but I’m not sure giannis is a top 10 player come playoffs. I think there’s close to 10 guys you’d take over him come playoffs.

Bron, Kd, Kawhi, Jokic, Luka, Ad, Steph, Harden

who else tho? and Harden has only been good in the playoffs recently. Hes had bigger meltdowns and worse losses than Giannis in the past

Dame was terrific these playoffs but lets not ignore Denvers backcourt was 5'9 Fauko Campazzo and Austin Rivers. Dame has a history of poor playoff performances himself.

Trae and Booker have been great but i think its too premature to list them now. Embiid has had a lot of horrible series we'll see how the rest of this one goes. Giannis has outplayed and dominated Tatum h2h (Kyrie as well) so i cant really put Jayson above him ATM

Jimmy was great last playoffs but the bubble factor should be considered. Cp3 is prolly too past it at this point even tho hes still good.

Well the names you listed is 8, embiid is fringe but he’s always hurt in the post season so agreed I dunno about him. Jimmy also on the fringe, will see how he bounces back.
Trey and booker I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if they surpass him in the coming years.

Basically I agree with you but I’d take dame too. Honestly he’s always had **** teams and done pretty well with them. Even made the wcfs ( worst team to do so but still). I think the bucks current supporting cast is substantially better than any cast dames ever had. Not to mention he’s reached a new level this year imo.

So giannis would be 10th, just. And Joel’s probably gonna out perform him too.

Statlanta · Post #2771 » by **Statlanta** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 7:57 am

I'm not disappointed in Milwaukee nor am I impressed by Brooklyn.

The Center matchup is their weakness and Giannis is a PF matching up against Kevin Durant's years of playoff experience. AD and Embiid are injured. Jokic has no guards. Gobert, defensively anyway, is the league's only hope to play Blake Griffin/Claxton off the floor and force traditional lineups.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #2772 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 8:09 am

70sFan wrote:Also, hate to admit that but KD has been outstanding so far. The injury didn't slow him down at all.

Why would you hate to admit that?

Isn't it a good thing the injury hasn't deterred him?

Dutchball97 · Post #2773 » by **Dutchball97** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 8:18 am

Tbh the main thing I take away from this is that the regular season should really see some changes. Why care about the overly long qualifying games when the results don't even tell us anything about the play-offs anymore? Just straight up skipping the regular season would make sense if I wasn't such a basketball nerd.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #2774 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 8:21 am

Dutchball97 wrote:Tbh the main thing I take away from this is that the regular season should really see some changes. Why care about the overly long qualifying games when the results don't even tell us anything about the play-offs anymore? Just straight up skipping the regular season would make sense if I wasn't such a basketball nerd.

There is no fix, but the regular season still holds some value.

Dupp · Post #2775 » by **Dupp** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 8:24 am

Ok today was a blowout but giannis’ playoff minutes is pretty embarrassing. He needs to actually push himself.

Dutchball97 · Post #2776 » by **Dutchball97** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 8:26 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:Tbh the main thing I take away from this is that the regular season should really see some changes. Why care about the overly long qualifying games when the results don't even tell us anything about the play-offs anymore? Just straight up skipping the regular season would make sense if I wasn't such a basketball nerd.

There is no fix, but the regular season still holds some value.

To who though? Profits I guess but in terms of determining play-off teams they shouldn't even really need more than 30-40 games.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #2777 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 8:27 am

Dutchball97 wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:Tbh the main thing I take away from this is that the regular season should really see some changes. Why care about the overly long qualifying games when the results don't even tell us anything about the play-offs anymore? Just straight up skipping the regular season would make sense if I wasn't such a basketball nerd.

There is no fix, but the regular season still holds some value.

To who though? Profits I guess but in terms of determining play-off teams they shouldn't even really need more than 30-40 games.

To the players/coaches.

70sFan · Post #2778 » by **70sFan** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 8:40 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
70sFan wrote:Also, hate to admit that but KD has been outstanding so far. The injury didn't slow him down at all.

Why would you hate to admit that?

Isn't it a good thing the injury hasn't deterred him?

Because I don't like Durant

I didn't mean that I hoped he'd not be himself after the injury, but I didn't want Brooklyn to reach ECF.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #2779 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 8:41 am

70sFan wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
70sFan wrote:Also, hate to admit that but KD has been outstanding so far. The injury didn't slow him down at all.

Why would you hate to admit that?

Isn't it a good thing the injury hasn't deterred him?

Because I don't like Durant

I didn't mean that I hoped he'd not be himself after the injury, but I didn't want Brooklyn to reach ECF.

Ah okay.

Well your wishes likely won't come true :lol:

LukaTheGOAT · Post #2780 » by **LukaTheGOAT** » Tue Jun 8, 2021 11:34 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
70sFan wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
Why would you hate to admit that?

Isn't it a good thing the injury hasn't deterred him?

Because I don't like Durant

I didn't mean that I hoped he'd not be himself after the injury, but I didn't want Brooklyn to reach ECF.

Ah okay.

Well your wishes likely won't come true

PRAISE MODERN MEDICINE

What a loss it would be to have KD not playing well.