RealGM Top 100 List -- 2011

Post #281 » by **penbeast0** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:59 am

Guys, tone it down. I had to ban one person from the project today and that takes a lot of the fun out of it for me. I don't want to be Mr. Cop here, just another arrogant, opinionated, stat-freak who enjoys arguing. Thanks.

Fencer reregistered · Post #282 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:05 am

penbeast0 wrote: just another arrogant, opinionated, stat-freak who enjoys arguing.

With blinders on. You forgot that part. At least if you want to do it right.

ronnymac2 · Post #283 » by **ronnymac2** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:01 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
ronnymac2 wrote:
Fencer- How you can think that that is a personal attack is beyond me.

You characterized me as having "arrogance". In any context I can quickly think of, that's a personal attack or insult.

If I said "You're obsessing about stats because you lack the basketball understanding to look at anything else", that would be an insult too. That's one reason I didn't say it. The other reason I didn't say it is because I don't know whether it's in fact true. Similarly, you don't know whether my posts are screwed up by "arrogance" -- indeed, I'm not sure what you were even accusing me of being arrogant about, let alone what your evidence is for the accusation, other than the fact that you disagree with me.

Pen is holdin' me back... I'll just let everything go...

This is a great project. The best basketball minds I've ever communicated with, talking about the sport's history and stats and what they saw and what contemporaries thought...comparing criteria and discussing the game through their own prism. It's beautiful. It's as beautiful as a swing pass that ultimately gets the ball to an open teammate.

Laimbeer · Post #284 » by **Laimbeer** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:19 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Guys, tone it down. I had to ban one person from the project today and that takes a lot of the fun out of it for me. I don't want to be Mr. Cop here, just another arrogant, opinionated, stat-freak who enjoys arguing. Thanks.

And as Isiah hater too.

Seriously, though, you're doing a great job.

Post #285 » by **penbeast0** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:24 pm

I didn't hate Isiah or the Bad Boys, now if he'd played for the Knicks . . . .

Fencer reregistered · Post #286 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:26 pm

ronnymac2 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
ronnymac2 wrote:
Fencer- How you can think that that is a personal attack is beyond me.

You characterized me as having "arrogance". In any context I can quickly think of, that's a personal attack or insult.

If I said "You're obsessing about stats because you lack the basketball understanding to look at anything else", that would be an insult too. That's one reason I didn't say it. The other reason I didn't say it is because I don't know whether it's in fact true. Similarly, you don't know whether my posts are screwed up by "arrogance" -- indeed, I'm not sure what you were even accusing me of being arrogant about, let alone what your evidence is for the accusation, other than the fact that you disagree with me.

Pen is holdin' me back... I'll just let everything go...

This is a great project. The best basketball minds I've ever communicated with, talking about the sport's history and stats and what they saw and what contemporaries thought...comparing criteria and discussing the game through their own prism. It's beautiful. It's as beautiful as a swing pass that ultimately gets the ball to an open teammate.

Hug?

Laimbeer · Post #287 » by **Laimbeer** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:04 pm

Check my sig for perspective, guys.

34Dayz · Post #288 » by **34Dayz** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:17 pm

I doubt they are anywhere near that many lists on the interwebz.

Laimbeer · Post #289 » by **Laimbeer** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:18 pm

34Dayz wrote:I doubt they are anywhere near that many lists on the interwebz.

It's a guesstimation. 8-)

Dezmondballins3 · Post #290 » by **Dezmondballins3** » Mon Aug 1, 2011 7:10 pm

If D rob doesn't get in next I will have lost all respect for RealGM.

Laimbeer · Post #291 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Aug 1, 2011 8:16 pm

Dezmondballins3 wrote:If D rob doesn't get in next I will have lost all respect for RealGM.

He may not be getting quite as much love as he deserves, but there are others really deserving as well. In all fairness, I think his playoff record is used too heavily against him.

Post #292 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Aug 2, 2011 7:25 pm

We are adding Jerky Way to the voting panel; he is new to RealGM but his posts here in the forum have been consistently polite and interesting. Welcome.

We are strongly considering two more candidates but need some decent debate from them here on the PC Board to put them over the top, just voting isn't enough.

jaypo · Post #293 » by **jaypo** » Wed Aug 3, 2011 4:18 pm

I'll throw my name in the hat. What do you need me to do?

Post #294 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon Aug 8, 2011 12:09 am

FYI, you can find my personal in-progress Top 100 list on Page 1 of this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1123731&p=28528440#p28528440

italianleather · Post #295 » by **italianleather** » Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:44 am

Doctor MJ wrote:FYI, you can find my personal in-progress Top 100 list on Page 1 of this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1123731&p=28528440#p28528440

KG @ 8???? Above Wilt, Shaq, Kobe & Doc J. !!!!

Post #296 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:51 am

italianleather wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:FYI, you can find my personal in-progress Top 100 list on Page 1 of this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1123731&p=28528440#p28528440

KG @ 8???? Above Wilt, Shaq, Kobe & Doc J. !!!!

yup

Now as mentioned, not really comfortable with him over Shaq, but the rest, definitely yes.

Dr Positivity · Post #297 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Aug 8, 2011 7:02 am

A month later, I still can't get used to Wilt being ranked between Magic and Bird

JordansBulls · Post #298 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Aug 8, 2011 7:42 pm

Going to be out of town starting tomorrow for a week and a half. May have iphone access though. But just in case, here are my votes and nominations.

#22 -
VOTE: Elgin Baylor
Nominate: 1st Choice - Clyde Drexler (if not chosen yet). 2nd Choice - John Stockton (if not chosen yet)

#23 -
VOTE: Dwyane Wade
Nominate: 1st Choice - Clyde Drexler (if not chosen yet) or if chosen then 2nd Choice - John Stockton (if not chosen yet)

#24 -
VOTE: Isiah Thomas
Nominate: Gary Payton

#25 -
VOTE: Rick Barry
Nominate: Bill Walton

Laimbeer · Post #299 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:22 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:A month later, I still can't get used to Wilt being ranked between Magic and Bird

This is a great observation. I can see the rationale for Wilt above both, or even below both. But in between? Bird and Magic track so closely for most people and have the same type of argument. Wilt is an often all-or-nothing guy in people's eyes.

Does anyone here really rate them in that order and could they explain how Wilt is over Bird but not Magic? Or is this just a result of the sausage making we do when we combine everyone's votes?

ThaRegul8r · Post #300 » by **ThaRegul8r** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:39 am

Laimbeer wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:A month later, I still can't get used to Wilt being ranked between Magic and Bird

This is a great observation. I can see the rationale for Wilt above both, or even below both. But in between? Bird and Magic track so closely for most people and have the same type of argument. Wilt is an often all-or-nothing guy in people's eyes.

Does anyone here really rate them in that order and could they explain how Wilt is over Bird but not Magic? Or is this just a result of the sausage making we do when we combine everyone's votes?

It was simply a matter of people coming in and voting without explanation and leaving, because they thought he'd fallen too far already, and shouldn't fall any farther. No one actually even attempted to address the points ElGee and Doc MJ were making.