2013-14 Player of the Year Discussion Thread

Post #281 » by **bondom34** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:25 pm

Yeah, I agree w/ JordansBulls and ardee. Maybe I shouldn't have said KD had a "decent advantage" b/c that's open to interpretation, but its not enough of a sample that after 8 games vs. the Bobcats and Nets that Lebron could overtake Durant yet.

mademan · Post #282 » by **mademan** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:39 pm

I've never seen this much negative talk talk about playoff competition since I've been on RGM. Especially considering that Miami's path is not unreasonably easier than past champions. Just look at the 09 Lakers (in the big bad West no less) and the competition they faced.

Jazz (48-34)
Houston (53-29) without T-mac/Yao for all/some of the series
Spurs (54-28) injury riddled

vs

Bobcats (43-39) w Al Jeff hurt
Nets (44-38)
Pacers (56-26)

But nobody talks about how easy they had it.

SideshowBob · Post #283 » by **SideshowBob** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:41 pm

mademan wrote:I've never seen this much negative talk talk about playoff competition since I've been on RGM. Especially considering that Miami's path is not unreasonably easier than past champions. Just look at the 09 Lakers (in the big bad West no less) and the competition they faced.

Jazz (48-34)
Houston (53-29) without T-mac/Yao for all/some of the series
Spurs (54-28) injury riddled

vs

Bobcats (43-39) w Al Jeff hurt
Nets (44-38)
Pacers (56-26)

But nobody talks about how easy they had it.

09 Lakers faced Denver in the WCF

mademan · Post #284 » by **mademan** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:46 pm

Ya youre right, I was confusing 08 and 09. It was the 54 win Denver Nuggets.

JordansBulls · Post #285 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:52 pm

mademan wrote:I've never seen this much negative talk talk about playoff competition since I've been on RGM. Especially considering that Miami's path is not unreasonably easier than past champions. Just look at the 09 Lakers (in the big bad West no less) and the competition they faced.

Jazz (48-34)
Houston (53-29) without T-mac/Yao for all/some of the series
Spurs (54-28) injury riddled

vs

Bobcats (43-39) w Al Jeff hurt
Nets (44-38)
Pacers (56-26)

But nobody talks about how easy they had it.

Well when they play the Pacers that is a different story, we are talking strictly records and SRS strength.

mysticbb · Post #286 » by **mysticbb** » Tue May 13, 2014 3:08 pm

JordansBulls wrote:This. Some of these guys just don't understand the difference in playing two sub 45 win teams that have a negative SRS rating vs playing juggernaut teams with an even better SRS rating than your team.

But it also makes no sense to look at the opponents and judge based on the performance level they had with different lineups than they are playing now in the playoffs. The Nets are clearly better now than they were at the beginning of the season. Not taking that into account is not a useful way of judging the opponents strength.

So, and I take the opponents strength in my judgement explicitely into account, thus, the accusation made by you and ardee is at least off in my case. I don't want to say too much about others, but I can easily see them taking the opponents strength into account as well. So, when you suspect someone not doing that, maybe ask them first and then judge about their "understanding".

microfib4thewin · Post #287 » by **microfib4thewin** » Tue May 13, 2014 7:19 pm

mademan wrote:I've never seen this much negative talk talk about playoff competition since I've been on RGM. Especially considering that Miami's path is not unreasonably easier than past champions. Just look at the 09 Lakers (in the big bad West no less) and the competition they faced.

Jazz (48-34)
Houston (53-29) without T-mac/Yao for all/some of the series
Spurs (54-28) injury riddled

vs

Bobcats (43-39) w Al Jeff hurt
Nets (44-38)
Pacers (56-26)

But nobody talks about how easy they had it.

Both playoff runs are pretty weak. If the East wasn't so weak the Bobcats and the Nets would probably not make playoffs and the Pacers would be a guaranteed second round exit.

HeartBreakKid · Post #288 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Tue May 13, 2014 8:32 pm

ardee wrote:Incredible performance by LeBron but I think this thread is reactionary as hell.

It's not like Durant has been crap... 30/9/4 on well above average efficiency against the best defensive team in the league and a top 3 overall team.

If LeBron maintains this level of play against Indiana and OKC/Spurs/Clips then yes he'll be up there probably. But these are probably two of the weakest first two round opponents in a while (despite Brooklyn's post AS record they're still nothing on recent second round teams).

He still has it all to prove over a guy who averaged 35/7/6 on 50/40/90 for a solid 3+ months.

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James had a great regular season himself, your statement goes both ways.

James was the second best player in the RS, and is the best player in the post season.

Durant was the best player in the RS, is he the second best player in the post season? I'm not sure about that one.

GSP · Post #289 » by **GSP** » Tue May 13, 2014 8:35 pm

I think George has been the 2nd best player in the playoff so far

MisterHibachi · Post #290 » by **MisterHibachi** » Wed May 14, 2014 1:20 am

GSP wrote:I think George has been the 2nd best player in the playoff so far

How about CP?

GSP · Post #291 » by **GSP** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:10 am

MisterHibachi wrote:
GSP wrote:I think George has been the 2nd best player in the playoff so far

How about CP?

I think its b/w those 2.

Anyone else thinking of dropping Kd down to 3 below Cp3? Hes been by far the best player in this series

SideshowBob · Post #292 » by **SideshowBob** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:18 am

GSP wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
GSP wrote:I think George has been the 2nd best player in the playoff so far

How about CP?

I think its b/w those 2.

Anyone else thinking of dropping Kd down to 3 below Cp3? Hes been by far the best player in this series

No, it would be silly to do so just based off one series. If I were to make the argument, I'd go about it by saying that I had them both fairly close already (as I did last year as well), and if Paul has a longer playoff run I might be inclined to give him the edge.

On the other hand I think there's a couple people that already had Paul ahead so his strong play just makes his case stronger.

sp6r=underrated · Post #293 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:27 am

Wow that was a horrible ref job. Complete HCA. From the referees Total disgrace

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GSP · Post #294 » by **GSP** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:29 am

This was one of the worst reffed games ive seen in some time.
Still i dont know what happened to Cp3 at the end there.................hes so mistake free and then down the stretch he makes so many mistakes. Happened against Golden State too

SideshowBob · Post #295 » by **SideshowBob** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:29 am

That was **** mind-numbing :lol:

HeartBreakKid · Post #296 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:30 am

Wow, the refs made some terrible calls. Clippers got robbed.

ceiling raiser · Post #297 » by **ceiling raiser** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:30 am

Absolutely ******* disgusting.

JordansBulls · Post #298 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:31 am

Durant willed that team to victory in the final minutes. Westbrook can move into the top 5 as well if the Thunder advance.

sp6r=underrated · Post #299 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:32 am

Kerr makes me sick the way he was defending the refs. Paul was fouled on that strip as much as Westbrook was. Games like this are why home court advantage is so important. I'm livid. That was B.S.

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MisterHibachi · Post #300 » by **MisterHibachi** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:33 am

Refs deserve a fine for this game.

I remember a similar play in the Clips-Warriors series. CP was bumped and fouled (by who, I don't remember), losing the ball out of bounds. They didn't call the foul, but awarded the ball to the Clippers. It was under 2 minutes, so they reviewed and gave it back to the Warriors. Followed the letter of the law, not the spirit. Why didn't they do the same here?