Doctor MJ wrote:elchengue20 wrote: but AI is getting ridicolous disrespect here.
The man was 6'0 at best and scored multiple layups and floaters on Shaq, for example. There is a reason he had an stretch where he was the NBA top scorer in like 3 of 4 seasons. Put that player in this era where everything is step up for his type of game and it would be insane.
This snippet really gets to the heart of this issue.
First the notion of "disrespect", which not compatible with adult conversation.
Then the attempt to use his too-small height like he should get a bonus for it.
Then the anecdotal points on Shaq, without any notion of efficiency.
Then the blanket assertion that AI was the best scorer in the league for years when he really was never close because, once again, efficiency matters and AI was largely yielding major negative TS Add's in an era where the standard was very low compared to today.
Sorry man, if you want to have conversations about who was actually the better, more effective basketball player, there's things you have to stop focusing on and there's other stuff you need to learn to incorporate into your analysis.
On the other hand, if you just want to rave about a dude with incredible moxie, you go right ahead. There's a lot to love about AI, but unfortunately closer analysis shows the warts in his approach that coaches and GMs have to take very seriously. Having the coolest dude in the NBA on your team is a nice thing, but it's not the priority.
Yeah, you right. Jamaal Murray is a better scorer than prime Allen Iverson. If saying that isn't disrespecting an all time great like Iverson, i don't know what it is. That is the level some RealGm posters get to, just by looking at some stats.
The 6'0 reference i said was to argue he was an better "shot maker" than Murray. Iverson scored ridicolous tough shots in tight spaces with players consistenly packing the paint, against much bigger players than him. If you have him today playing in 5 out basketball against smallball teams, he would absolutely crush them.
Also, playstyle today is designed to create offensive efficency. If you gave him that much space, push the tempo up, told him to shoot more 3's than long 2's, gave him better catch and shoot teamates, all his offensive numbers and efficiencty would go up considerably. You can't just look at numbers without context. But hey, if it makes you feel smarter, go ahead.
