2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

Dupp · Post #2821 » by **Dupp** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:13 am

Mos_Heat wrote:Matthews locked Butler for 3 quarters, and hasn't been seen again

Did he sit the whole fourth?

Homer38 · Post #2822 » by **Homer38** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:14 am

Giannis had only 3 games this year with over 36 minutes in a game...Still no excuse on that

Dupp · Post #2823 » by **Dupp** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:15 am

40-13 last quarter...

MyUniBroDavis · Post #2824 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:16 am

Joey Wheeler wrote:Said many times on this forum that Giannis winning MVP (and DPOY!) was an absolutely ridiculous/outrageous decision, unsurprisingly it was confirmed yet again in the playoffs. This is no knee jerk reaction to this series, I've said it repeatedly. I really hope the brutality of this loss makes the hype die down and realism set in, Giannis is just not that level of a player.

Mvp doesnt equal best player on earth it means most valuable regular season player lol

Mos_Heat · Post #2825 » by **Mos_Heat** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:21 am

Dupp wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:Matthews locked Butler for 3 quarters, and hasn't been seen again

Did he sit the whole fourth?

He played a quick stint in the middle of the 4th

Joey Wheeler · Post #2826 » by **Joey Wheeler** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:23 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Joey Wheeler wrote:Said many times on this forum that Giannis winning MVP (and DPOY!) was an absolutely ridiculous/outrageous decision, unsurprisingly it was confirmed yet again in the playoffs. This is no knee jerk reaction to this series, I've said it repeatedly. I really hope the brutality of this loss makes the hype die down and realism set in, Giannis is just not that level of a player.

Mvp doesnt equal best player on earth it means most valuable regular season player lol

Then we seriously have to reevaluate how important the MVP award is. Giannis is a bad scorer outside the paint, can't shoot free throws, has limited court vision, is turnover prone under pressure... if he's the most valuable player, then being the most valuable player is virtually meaningless.

That said, Giannis has the tools to be at least close to what people hype him up to be if he focuses on defense and becomes primarily a finisher on offense. A Giannis-led offense is never going to be a winning formula.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #2827 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:25 am

Why is Giannis playing so little in a MUST WIN game?

Makes no sense to me.

Joey Wheeler · Post #2828 » by **Joey Wheeler** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:27 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:Why is Giannis playing so little in a MUST WIN game?

Makes no sense to me.

Bud isn't a great coach, just far too inflexible, another absolutely puzzling NBA award selection there. Spolestra otoh is a great coach and is coaching circles around him.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #2829 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:33 am

Joey Wheeler wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:Why is Giannis playing so little in a MUST WIN game?

Makes no sense to me.

Bud isn't a great coach, just far too inflexible, another absolutely puzzling NBA award selection there. Spolestra otoh is a great coach and is coaching circles around him.

I mean do you even need to be a great coach to play your best player big minutes in a must win game?

Seems more common sense than anything.

Unless Giannis somehow can't play more(which I highly doubt).

Basileus777 · Post #2830 » by **Basileus777** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:20 am

Harden is just eviscerating the LA perimeter D.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #2831 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:21 am

Basileus777 wrote:Harden is just eviscerating the LA perimeter D.

The lakers looked dominant at the start with two bigs in terms of the shots they got vs the shots the tockets got

And then they just STOPPED

Jordan Syndrome · Post #2832 » by **Jordan Syndrome** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:34 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Joey Wheeler wrote:Said many times on this forum that Giannis winning MVP (and DPOY!) was an absolutely ridiculous/outrageous decision, unsurprisingly it was confirmed yet again in the playoffs. This is no knee jerk reaction to this series, I've said it repeatedly. I really hope the brutality of this loss makes the hype die down and realism set in, Giannis is just not that level of a player.

Mvp doesnt equal best player on earth it means most valuable regular season player lol

The issue is that isnt Giannis. Giannis was not close to the most valuable regular season player this season or last season.

Budenholzer is a coach capable of winning 60 games with Al Horford as his best player. He has a system which works excellent for the regular season. Giannis has benefited greatly from this system and even though Giannis is still a top 5 player, he isn't "most valuable".

What LeBron did for the Lakers this season was far more valuable than what Giannis did for the Bucks and the same can be said for Kawhi, Jokic and Harden. All these players are catalysts for a system while Giannis is part of a system.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #2833 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:36 am

Jordan Syndrome wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Joey Wheeler wrote:Said many times on this forum that Giannis winning MVP (and DPOY!) was an absolutely ridiculous/outrageous decision, unsurprisingly it was confirmed yet again in the playoffs. This is no knee jerk reaction to this series, I've said it repeatedly. I really hope the brutality of this loss makes the hype die down and realism set in, Giannis is just not that level of a player.

Mvp doesnt equal best player on earth it means most valuable regular season player lol

The issue is that isnt Giannis. Giannis was not close to the most valuable regular season player this season or last season.

Budenholzer is a coach capable of winning 60 games with Al Horford as his best player. He has a system which works excellent for the regular season. Giannis has benefited greatly from this system and even though Giannis is still a top 5 player, he isn't "most valuable".

What LeBron did for the Lakers this season was far more valuable than what Giannis did for the Bucks and the same can be said for Kawhi, Jokic and Harden. All these players are catalysts for a system while Giannis is part of a system.

Budenholzer doesnt run his system in a way that giannis isnt the catalyst though, like in atlanta, although its stull functional without him

Giannis's case is more about two way impact anyways

Also tbf budenholzer is a pathetically bad playoff coach lmao he dropped on olynk smh oof

Basileus777 · Post #2834 » by **Basileus777** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 3:39 am

The Lakers' terrible guard rotation is a fatal weakness. Their perimeter D tonight was godawful, and no it wasn't just Rondo.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #2835 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 3:55 am

This is fully a situation where the lakers have all the tools to dominate but they simply arent using them.

On paper this should be a 4-5 game win. The lakers can make adjustments but the rockets cannot. However the lakers winning is contingent on utilizing theit size. We literally saw it whenever they ran 2 bigs, it makes harden more hesitent ti drive in the halfcourt, and gives more spacing in the offense because while the rockets are fine sagging off of our shooters they cant help off of the lob threats because of the height disparity

70sFan · Post #2836 » by **70sFan** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 4:06 am

I think I agree - Lakers perimeter defenders are not good enough to stay in front of Harden, so they need rim protection. Just defend corner threes and protect the paint, Houston is a bad team from non-corner threes.

Offensively, they need a better job of finding Davis inside. He actually had decent game and his size should be utilized better.

There is no way that Lakers will compete with Houston if they decide to play small.

GSP · Post #2837 » by **GSP** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 6:18 am

I cant believe Miami is up 3-0 on Milwaukee. If they complete this and they should at this point is it the most shocking sweep in Nba history?

TheGOATRises007 · Post #2838 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 7:04 am

Mavs sweeping the Lakers in 2011 was pretty shocking too at the time.

Obviously with hindsight now, they were the better team and had the best player in the series.

KobesScarf · Post #2839 » by **KobesScarf** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 7:07 am

I just wanna say people excused Giannis extremely low minutes as the Bucks winning so many blowouts but we see now that even down 0-2 he still isn't playing superstar minutes. So it was predictable that when your MVP is restricted in the minutes he can play you're going to have trouble in the playoffs

freethedevil · Post #2840 » by **freethedevil** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 9:40 am

Can't really respond to bumps in the general board, so, imma just say here i dont really think it makes much sense to conclude the "rs oensn't matter" when the bucks terrible regular season in the bubble pretty strongly correlates with thier playoffs here.

So takes like "srs doesn't matter", regular season is meaningless only really hold up if you cherrypick.