2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

[E-Balla]

This might be a hot take but if I’m Denver I try and package MPJ and Harris this summer for a star like Beal.

MPJ just seems like the type to care more about getting buckets than getting wins. Not just based off recent comments but some historical things that draft guys have said as well.

Denver has a core of guys who like each other and I wouldn’t want him to disrupt that. Also think his value will be at its highest this summer.

Beal? Aim higher there buddy, Brad Beal doesn't meaningfully make Denver good enough to win it all and Murray already fills his exact role pretty decently.

[MO12msu]

This might be a hot take but if I’m Denver I try and package MPJ and Harris this summer for a star like Beal.

MPJ just seems like the type to care more about getting buckets than getting wins. Not just based off recent comments but some historical things that draft guys have said as well.

Denver has a core of guys who like each other and I wouldn’t want him to disrupt that. Also think his value will be at its highest this summer.

Beal? Aim higher there buddy, Brad Beal doesn't meaningfully make Denver good enough to win it all and Murray already fills his exact role pretty decently.

Don’t necessarily disagree, Beal was just the first guy that came to mind.

[freethedevil]

Doc > Rick

Too many overachieving rosters in his career to not put him over Rick even if Doc isn't the best x's and o's coach. His only issue is the two 3-1 chokes.

LOL no. Rick just got done coaching circles around Doc in the first round. Doc got bailed out by Kawhi and the Mavs' injuries that series.

If Carlisle was coaching this Clippers team right now, they'd actually look like the juggernaut they're hyped up to be. It's impossible to understate how much Doc holds this team back with his nonsensical rotations, stagnant isoball, and refusal to make timely adjustments.

For the record, it's not just the two 3-1 chokes that hurt Doc's legacy. He also has the most blown series leads in general of any coach AND the most home Game 7 losses.

Doc wasn't bailed out. It's not his fault PG flat out didn't show up and I've argued all year about how much talent Dallas has that people have been sleeping on so I'm not surprised they played like they did.

Seriously for all his problems Doc is still top 5 territory. Outside of Spo I don't think another coach consistently gets as much effort out of his guys.

Getting effort doesn't make one an elite coach. You know why the 67 win celtics were taken to 7 by the atlanta hawks despite blowing them out in terms of net differential? It's because when games got close and he couldn't just ride on talent, he got his ass handed to him.

Rick outcoached peak pop in 2017, idgaf about doc's "effort".

[freethedevil]

Kemba was fouled pretty bad. Celtics were screwed but go raptors.

Celtics are just the mavs, raps about to 2014 this bitch

[E-Balla]

LOL no. Rick just got done coaching circles around Doc in the first round. Doc got bailed out by Kawhi and the Mavs' injuries that series.

If Carlisle was coaching this Clippers team right now, they'd actually look like the juggernaut they're hyped up to be. It's impossible to understate how much Doc holds this team back with his nonsensical rotations, stagnant isoball, and refusal to make timely adjustments.

For the record, it's not just the two 3-1 chokes that hurt Doc's legacy. He also has the most blown series leads in general of any coach AND the most home Game 7 losses.

Doc wasn't bailed out. It's not his fault PG flat out didn't show up and I've argued all year about how much talent Dallas has that people have been sleeping on so I'm not surprised they played like they did.

Seriously for all his problems Doc is still top 5 territory. Outside of Spo I don't think another coach consistently gets as much effort out of his guys.

Getting effort doesn't make one an elite coach. You know why the 67 win celtics were taken to 7 by the atlanta hawks despite blowing them out in terms of net differential? It's because when games got close and he couldn't just ride on talent, he got his ass handed to him.

Rick outcoached peak pop in 2017, idgaf about doc's "effort".

Getting effort most definitely matters considering the fact that 99% of coaches don't even get that. Before anything happens on the floor your players have to be ready to play together as a team and willing to run through a wall for a W. Players love Doc and he gets that out of them, can't really say that about anyone else.

[freethedevil]

Doc wasn't bailed out. It's not his fault PG flat out didn't show up and I've argued all year about how much talent Dallas has that people have been sleeping on so I'm not surprised they played like they did.

Seriously for all his problems Doc is still top 5 territory. Outside of Spo I don't think another coach consistently gets as much effort out of his guys.

Getting effort doesn't make one an elite coach. You know why the 67 win celtics were taken to 7 by the atlanta hawks despite blowing them out in terms of net differential? It's because when games got close and he couldn't just ride on talent, he got his ass handed to him.

Rick outcoached peak pop in 2017, idgaf about doc's "effort".

Getting effort most definitely matters considering the fact that 99% of coaches don't even get that. Before anything happens on the floor your players have to be ready to play together as a team and willing to run through a wall for a W. Players love Doc and he gets that out of them, can't really say that about anyone else.

Frank vogel gets effort out of his players, you're setting a real low bar there.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Getting effort doesn't make one an elite coach. You know why the 67 win celtics were taken to 7 by the atlanta hawks despite blowing them out in terms of net differential? It's because when games got close and he couldn't just ride on talent, he got his ass handed to him.

Rick outcoached peak pop in 2017, idgaf about doc's "effort".

Getting effort most definitely matters considering the fact that 99% of coaches don't even get that. Before anything happens on the floor your players have to be ready to play together as a team and willing to run through a wall for a W. Players love Doc and he gets that out of them, can't really say that about anyone else.

Frank vogel gets effort out of his players, you're setting a real low bar there.

Vogel is a legitimately good defensive coach though, he just isnt great on offense but his staff is kinda poop

[freethedevil]

Getting effort most definitely matters considering the fact that 99% of coaches don't even get that. Before anything happens on the floor your players have to be ready to play together as a team and willing to run through a wall for a W. Players love Doc and he gets that out of them, can't really say that about anyone else.

Frank vogel gets effort out of his players, you're setting a real low bar there.

Vogel is a legitimately good defensive coach though, he just isnt great on offense but his staff is kinda poop

not playing dwight was a pretty bad mistake on the defensive side of things which could have easily cost him with a weaker cast.

And I'm definitely not seeing vogel on the level of the nurse's, carilse's, steven's, spo's of th eleague ect.

Ty Lue got effort out of his players, that's not something unique to doc.

[E-Balla]

Frank vogel gets effort out of his players, you're setting a real low bar there.

Vogel is a legitimately good defensive coach though, he just isnt great on offense but his staff is kinda poop

not playing dwight was a pretty bad mistake on the defensive side of things which could have easily cost him with a weaker cast.

And I'm definitely not seeing vogel on the level of the nurse's, carilse's, steven's, spo's of th eleague ect.

Ty Lue got effort out of his players, that's not something unique to doc.

Ty Lue didn't get effort out of his players, they just didn't openly mutiny against him. Give Ty Lue or Frank Vogel the 2000 Magic or 2018 and 2019 Clippers and they have horrible records. Dude won coach of the year his first season coaching, I don't get all this smoke people seem to have for him. There's flat out not many coaches more successful than Doc and he'll probably reach the hall as a coach if he can win it all this year.

[Jordan Syndrome]

Vogel is a legitimately good defensive coach though, he just isnt great on offense but his staff is kinda poop

not playing dwight was a pretty bad mistake on the defensive side of things which could have easily cost him with a weaker cast.

And I'm definitely not seeing vogel on the level of the nurse's, carilse's, steven's, spo's of th eleague ect.

Ty Lue got effort out of his players, that's not something unique to doc.

Ty Lue didn't get effort out of his players, they just didn't openly mutiny against him. Give Ty Lue or Frank Vogel the 2000 Magic or 2018 and 2019 Clippers and they have horrible records. Dude won coach of the year his first season coaching, I don't get all this smoke people seem to have for him. There's flat out not many coaches more successful than Doc and he'll probably reach the hall as a coach if he can win it all this year.

Doc will end up making the Hall of Fame regardless of if he wins this season or not. He is a great coach, not a saavy X's and O's coach and doesn't have the same strategic sophistication as a Nick Nurse but there are few coaches all-time you want when you have a championship level team or even a roster like the 2019 Clippers.

Superstar players love him because he not only holds his players accountable but he allows the stars to build their own locker room. He is very smart in his philosophy and he preaches it in great way--hustle and effort win. Doc realizes that teams in the post-season are, for the most part, all talented. He gets his team to play as hard as they can which is the deciding factor in many late playoff series.

The only smoke I am seeing is some delusional Los Angeles Clippers fan saying some ridiculous negative things that can only be charged as a negative emotional reaction towards Doc Rivers. As said time and time again, "The Grass is always greener on the other side." Doc is a Hall of Fame coach, trashing him or pretending like he was "out coached" by Carlisle is laughable.

[E-Balla]

not playing dwight was a pretty bad mistake on the defensive side of things which could have easily cost him with a weaker cast.

And I'm definitely not seeing vogel on the level of the nurse's, carilse's, steven's, spo's of th eleague ect.

Ty Lue got effort out of his players, that's not something unique to doc.

Ty Lue didn't get effort out of his players, they just didn't openly mutiny against him. Give Ty Lue or Frank Vogel the 2000 Magic or 2018 and 2019 Clippers and they have horrible records. Dude won coach of the year his first season coaching, I don't get all this smoke people seem to have for him. There's flat out not many coaches more successful than Doc and he'll probably reach the hall as a coach if he can win it all this year.

Doc will end up making the Hall of Fame regardless of if he wins this season or not. He is a great coach, not a saavy X's and O's coach and doesn't have the same strategic sophistication as a Nick Nurse but there are few coaches all-time you want when you have a championship level team or even a roster like the 2019 Clippers.

Superstar players love him because he not only holds his players accountable but he allows the stars to build their own locker room. He is very smart in his philosophy and he preaches it in great way--hustle and effort win. Doc realizes that teams in the post-season are, for the most part, all talented. He gets his team to play as hard as they can which is the deciding factor in many late playoff series.

The only smoke I am seeing is some delusional Los Angeles Clippers fan saying some ridiculous negative things that can only be charged as a negative emotional reaction towards Doc Rivers. As said time and time again, "The Grass is always greener on the other side." Doc is a Hall of Fame coach, trashing him or pretending like he was "out coached" by Carlisle is laughable.

You're right I was underestimating Doc. The man is 1 win away from Bill Fitch. If there wasn't a shutdown he'd be top 10 in wins for a coach and the only coaches with more wins not in the Hall don't have rings. Doc is also 7th in postseason wins. He's a **** GM but you'd think he was Jason Kidd 2.0 listening to RealGM.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Ty Lue didn't get effort out of his players, they just didn't openly mutiny against him. Give Ty Lue or Frank Vogel the 2000 Magic or 2018 and 2019 Clippers and they have horrible records. Dude won coach of the year his first season coaching, I don't get all this smoke people seem to have for him. There's flat out not many coaches more successful than Doc and he'll probably reach the hall as a coach if he can win it all this year.

Doc will end up making the Hall of Fame regardless of if he wins this season or not. He is a great coach, not a saavy X's and O's coach and doesn't have the same strategic sophistication as a Nick Nurse but there are few coaches all-time you want when you have a championship level team or even a roster like the 2019 Clippers.

Superstar players love him because he not only holds his players accountable but he allows the stars to build their own locker room. He is very smart in his philosophy and he preaches it in great way--hustle and effort win. Doc realizes that teams in the post-season are, for the most part, all talented. He gets his team to play as hard as they can which is the deciding factor in many late playoff series.

The only smoke I am seeing is some delusional Los Angeles Clippers fan saying some ridiculous negative things that can only be charged as a negative emotional reaction towards Doc Rivers. As said time and time again, "The Grass is always greener on the other side." Doc is a Hall of Fame coach, trashing him or pretending like he was "out coached" by Carlisle is laughable.

You're right I was underestimating Doc. The man is 1 win away from Bill Fitch. If there wasn't a shutdown he'd be top 10 in wins for a coach and the only coaches with more wins not in the Hall don't have rings. Doc is also 7th in postseason wins. He's a **** GM but you'd think he was Jason Kidd 2.0 listening to RealGM.

Wait why are people calling him a bad coach lol

Xs and O guys are great and incredivly important, i vouch for them all the time, but thats not all you need. Offensicely lue was a pretty darn good coach, just dumb on D.

Rigers isnt even that bad of an xs and os guys iirc, as in like hes good at that too lol

[Texas Chuck]

yeah Doc is a good coach. Paul George not going through whatever mental struggles he was dealing with and the series ends in 5 and nobody is talking about coaching at all. The only move where I felt Rick really got the better of him was in matching Boban's minutes to Harrell's and Doc not going small or back to Zubac to get Bobi back off the court. He finally did start playing some lineups with Morris/Green as the bigs but took too long to get there.

[GSP]

Lakers are easily winning the title. Their defense is as good as anyone in the league and they have the 2 best playoff performers in the league too. Kawhi might scare them for a game or 2 but once thats over its a wrap

Their depth issues are grossly exaggerated too. They always have timely contributions from any random 2-3 guys that swing games

[MisterHibachi]

Wondering if Houston looks to blow it up this off season, if Philly takes a look at trading Simmons for Harden.

[The High Cyde]

Lakers are easily winning the title. Their defense is as good as anyone in the league and they have the 2 best playoff performers in the league too. Kawhi might scare them for a game or 2 but once thats over its a wrap

Their depth issues are grossly exaggerated too. They always have timely contributions from any random 2-3 guys that swing games

I’m hoping it goes to 7, Lakers are looking like the team to beat.

[Mos_Heat]

Wondering if Houston looks to blow it up this off season, if Philly takes a look at trading Simmons for Harden.

If they fire Morey, I think that would be the way they go

[Pillendreher]

Getting outrebounded by 26 in a postseason game seems like a logical conclusion to this experiment by the Rockets. Completely abolishing bigmen was just asking for trouble as soon as you face a bigger team.

[limbo]

Man, shoutout to my boy Alex Caruso aka the bald mamba.

Was saying don't bench this dude out of the rotation at the start of the season because this guy can ball if given the right opportunity. The only thing i was concerned about was his shooting, which is still kind of inconsistent, but he makes up for it by playing hard and smart.

One of the biggest concerns for the Lakers was can the (point) guards on this team produce anything or are they going to be completely unplayable. So far, guys like Caruso and Rondo are outperforming Kuzma and Danny Green who were suppose to be the 3rd and 4th best players on the team. If Kuz and Green can elevate their game to what is expected of them, suddenly, the Lakers depth isn't really looking that bad.

[BladeDaywalker]

I never understood why people were so worried about the Lakers depth when they have Lebron and AD on the same team.

Everybody know that Lebron and Davis are both top ten players in the NBA.

When you have two top ten players on your team at the same time, you are going to have a great chance at winning a title.

However, more importantly, these are two of the greatest playoffs performers ever from a statistical standpoint.

Even before this year playoffs, Davis has put up huge numbers in multiple series.

It wasn't like you had to wonder how Davis would perform in the playoffs.

When you have two top ten players that you know will perform in the playoffs, that mean you don't have to worry about them.

Now, Lebron and Davis can get a combined 60-70 points any given night if they have to.

At that point, all you really need is for each other player on the team to give you around 8-10 points each game.

You don't need a 20 ppg third player every single night.

As a hypothetical, If Morris, Caruso, and Rondo each give you ten points combined with Lebron-Davis 60-70 points, you already have around 90-100 points each night.

We are not even counting any other production yet. Basically, any given game, the Lakers can get 3-4 other players to give them 8-10 points each to compliment Lebron and Davis.

Their elite defense will allow them to compete in any given series.

That is the luxury of having Lebron and Davis at the same time on the floor.