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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3381 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:12 am

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HeartBreakKid wrote:Or maybe none of the Western teams are actually juggernauts just like Milwaukee was never one. LAL are the favorites as they have been for a few months, but I wouldn't crown them yet.

I mean to be frank, Utah/LAC are much better competition than POR/HOU. Not even close, really.


If the Lakers had faced Utah and LAC, people would be calling them weak and Portland and Houston strong. In fact, Houston probably beats Denver in a series...

The Western Conference has a very clear hierarchy, with the Lakers way ahead of the pack and then 2-7/8 very, very close, basically matchup and luck dependent.

uh...no they wouldn't. LAC is literally what the NBA and fans have been asking for - so that isn't even true from a hype stand point. Almost every knowledgable fan would say Utah is better than Portland - did Portland even have a winning record?

Not to mention I am not talking about hype or some made up hierarchy. Utah and LAC are literally just flat out better than POR or Houston.


Got no clue where the Houston > Denver thing even comes from. Some love affair with names and reputation is the only thing I can think of. For what ever reason people will disrespect Denver (and Utah) but prop up Houston even though they barely squaked by OKC.

It's entirely possible the Lakers will have to go through a real fight to win a title. Most people this season were absolute chit at seeing who was an unstoppable contender and who were not.


Nuggets srs is lower at 10th and houstan can get crazy from three so its scarier. Houstan did end up going wild from three and hit 40%+ three games in a row. They lose three in a row too
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Post#3382 » by Joey Wheeler » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:12 am

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HeartBreakKid wrote:Or maybe none of the Western teams are actually juggernauts just like Milwaukee was never one. LAL are the favorites as they have been for a few months, but I wouldn't crown them yet.

I mean to be frank, Utah/LAC are much better competition than POR/HOU. Not even close, really.


If the Lakers had faced Utah and LAC, people would be calling them weak and Portland and Houston strong. In fact, Houston probably beats Denver in a series...

The Western Conference has a very clear hierarchy, with the Lakers way ahead of the pack and then 2-7/8 very, very close, basically matchup and luck dependent.

uh...no they wouldn't. LAC is literally what the NBA and fans have been asking for - so that isn't even true from a hype stand point. Almost every knowledgable fan would say Utah is better than Portland - did Portland even have a winning record?

Not to mention I am not talking about hype or some made up hiearchy. Utah and LAC are literally just flat out better than POR or Houston.


Got no clue where the Houston > Denver thing even comes from. Some love affair with names and reputation is the only thing I can think of. For what ever reason people will disrespect Denver (and Utah) but prop up Houston even though they barely squaked by OKC.


They would because those series would have been close while the Lakers would have easily dispatched Utah and Clippers.

After Portland got all their injured players back, if Utah is better than them it's by an insignificant margin. Houston and Denver are similar level teams, in a series between the two I think Houston most likely wins actually. Portland and Houston looked terrible because they faced a team well above their pay grade; next round is the Nuggets's turn to suddenly look very pedestrian.

I'm not disrespecting Denver, really good team for sure, impressive run, just think the Lakers are way above them (and the rest of the league) and it'll be shown in their series.
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Post#3383 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:14 am

I mean to be perfectly honest

Portland-houstan-clippers-bucks

Would have been friggin legendary lol.

Portland-houstan-nuggets-heat

Doesnt have the same ring to it
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3384 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:14 am

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MartinToVaught wrote:Anyone still want to defend Doc? Didn't think so.


I don't know what to say you Martin. I'm sorry for you that you were right. A fan like you deserves better.

You know what's even more depressing? I also called the 2015 Clippers/Rockets collapse on the GB after Game 5 and people told me I was crazy for that too.

Being a lifelong Clippers fan since the bad old days gives you a sixth sense for the worst-case scenario. And yeah, I agree the fans deserve better than this. The players have earned all the mockery they're going to get for being so arrogant all year, but it really, really sucks as a fan.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3385 » by Joey Wheeler » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:14 am

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It's entirely possible the Lakers will have to go through a real fight to win a title. Most people this season were absolute chit at seeing who was an unstoppable contender and who were not.


Didn't see this edit. I'm certainly not one of those people; I've been dismissing Clippers/Bucks threat since before the season even started, which has been proven correct beyond any doubt. Also before the start of the season I said Lakers were a lock to win bar Lebron/AD injuries, that hasn't happened yet I guess but give it 1 month... I'm certainly not changing my views on a whim.
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Post#3386 » by yoyoboy » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:16 am

The Lakers are much better built to slow down Joker. Davis, Dwight, and to a lesser extent McGee are a load to go up against for all of your minutes. On the flip side they're going to have a difficult time matching up against Davis and LeBron when they're both on the court together. Murray is going to be a tough guard for the Lakers though. Caruso needs to be ready.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3387 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:16 am

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If the Lakers had faced Utah and LAC, people would be calling them weak and Portland and Houston strong. In fact, Houston probably beats Denver in a series...

The Western Conference has a very clear hierarchy, with the Lakers way ahead of the pack and then 2-7/8 very, very close, basically matchup and luck dependent.

uh...no they wouldn't. LAC is literally what the NBA and fans have been asking for - so that isn't even true from a hype stand point. Almost every knowledgable fan would say Utah is better than Portland - did Portland even have a winning record?

Not to mention I am not talking about hype or some made up hierarchy. Utah and LAC are literally just flat out better than POR or Houston.


Got no clue where the Houston > Denver thing even comes from. Some love affair with names and reputation is the only thing I can think of. For what ever reason people will disrespect Denver (and Utah) but prop up Houston even though they barely squaked by OKC.

It's entirely possible the Lakers will have to go through a real fight to win a title. Most people this season were absolute chit at seeing who was an unstoppable contender and who were not.


Nuggets srs is lower at 10th and houstan can get crazy from three so its scarier. Houstan did end up going wild from three and hit 40%+ three games in a row. They lose three in a row too


SRS doesn't determine whos playoff matches, that isn't what it's used for - and SRS means even less this season since the season was split into two separate seasons essentially.

The Bucks had the best SRS this year and were destroyed, and had the best SRS last year for that matter. SRS just tells you if teams are good or not, it isn't predicitive of who will win a series.

The Rockets were not only an extremely gimmicky team, they also had their 2nd best player injured and unbelievably rusty - Westbrook played like absolute crap. There is nothing threatening about Houston, it's as ridiculous as people who said Houston would be a threat to LAL because of a "Bad match up".
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3388 » by GSP » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:16 am

SideshowBob wrote:Denver was the 16th ranked defense coming off a series where they allowed Utah to put up a 123.6 ORTG against them. LAC was just held to under 110 after tonight I believe, and 105 in these three losses.


Denver didnt have Gary Harris against Utah until the end

their perimeter defense is horrible without him

theyre still missing Barton too
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Post#3390 » by dreamshake » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:18 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:Utah and LAC are literally just flat out better than POR or Houston.

Got no clue where the Houston > Denver thing even comes from. Some love affair with names and reputation is the only thing I can think of. For what ever reason people will disrespect Denver (and Utah) but prop up Houston even though they barely squaked by OKC.


I don't necessarily disagree with the overall point of your post, but SRS does have Houston above Denver & Utah. Personally I feel like all 3 teams are a similar level in a vacuum against the NBA as a whole, but Houston's team was a bit more regular-season gimmicky that was easier to exploit in the playoffs. I don't think Utah & Denver are clearly way better than Houston though. Portland is easily a level below all 3 IMO.

EDIT: nvm, i see some others already made more-or-less the same point above
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Post#3391 » by eminence » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:19 am

In the less trolling section of my posting - How this Nuggets/Clippers series went has made me feel a lot better about Mitchell's 1st round series. I was worried there might be a bit of a fluke feeling to it, but with the Nuggets kinda holding back Kawhi and Murray having another big series I feel a lot better about our performance.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3392 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:20 am

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HeartBreakKid wrote:Utah and LAC are literally just flat out better than POR or Houston.

Got no clue where the Houston > Denver thing even comes from. Some love affair with names and reputation is the only thing I can think of. For what ever reason people will disrespect Denver (and Utah) but prop up Houston even though they barely squaked by OKC.


I don't necessarily disagree with the overall point of your post, but SRS does have Houston above Denver & Utah. Personally I feel like all 3 teams are a similar level in a vacuum against the NBA as a whole, but Houston's team was a bit more regular-season gimmicky that was easier to exploit in the playoffs. I don't think Utah & Denver are clearly way better than Houston though. Portland is easily a level below all 3 IMO.


And who had the #1 SRS this season - and what rank SRS did they lose to?

SRS doesn't determine anything, you still need to look at context. Even within the context of Houston having a high SRS - that is because Westbrook played out of his mind.

Westbrook was injured and rusty, and didn't even play for most of the first round. How can SRS be an accurate measure to say that "they are on the same level" - would Denver be on the same level as the other teams if Jokic was injured and played awful?

So why are people bringing up SRS?
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Post#3393 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:22 am

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HeartBreakKid wrote:uh...no they wouldn't. LAC is literally what the NBA and fans have been asking for - so that isn't even true from a hype stand point. Almost every knowledgable fan would say Utah is better than Portland - did Portland even have a winning record?

Not to mention I am not talking about hype or some made up hierarchy. Utah and LAC are literally just flat out better than POR or Houston.


Got no clue where the Houston > Denver thing even comes from. Some love affair with names and reputation is the only thing I can think of. For what ever reason people will disrespect Denver (and Utah) but prop up Houston even though they barely squaked by OKC.

It's entirely possible the Lakers will have to go through a real fight to win a title. Most people this season were absolute chit at seeing who was an unstoppable contender and who were not.


Nuggets srs is lower at 10th and houstan can get crazy from three so its scarier. Houstan did end up going wild from three and hit 40%+ three games in a row. They lose three in a row too


SRS doesn't determine whos playoff matches, that isn't what it's used for - and SRS means even less this season since the season was split into two separate seasons essentially.

The Bucks had the best SRS this year and were destroyed, and had the best SRS last year for that matter. SRS just tells you if teams are good or not, it isn't predicitive of who will win a series.

The Rockets were not only an extremely gimmicky team, they also had their 2nd best player injured and unbelievably rusty - Westbrook played like absolute crap. There is nothing threatening about Houston, it's as ridiculous as people who said Houston would be a threat to LAL because of a "Bad match up".


I mean the idea of matchups was fair in the sense that the lakers didnt run 5 out alot, houstan were good at packing the paint which neither ad or bron score crazy well against, and we couldnt really stop them playing man to man.

Houstan shot 40%+ from three in three of 5 gMes which is stupid as hell

I dont think anyone thinks the nuggets are a better team than the clippers from this, and i dont see why the nuggets are better than houstan are, or more threatenin

With the SRS, yeah westbrook didnt play well, but when the team ur afriad of getting hot from three gets hot from three that makes up for it

If skmeone said before the series "its a 5 game series where houstan shoot 40% from theee jn 3 games" no one would feel happy about that.

I mean the faxt that we were able to stop the entirety of houstan by playing zone is pretty dumb lmfao ngl
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3394 » by Joey Wheeler » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:23 am

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HeartBreakKid wrote:Utah and LAC are literally just flat out better than POR or Houston.

Got no clue where the Houston > Denver thing even comes from. Some love affair with names and reputation is the only thing I can think of. For what ever reason people will disrespect Denver (and Utah) but prop up Houston even though they barely squaked by OKC.


I don't necessarily disagree with the overall point of your post, but SRS does have Houston above Denver & Utah. Personally I feel like all 3 teams are a similar level in a vacuum against the NBA as a whole, but Houston's team was a bit more regular-season gimmicky that was easier to exploit in the playoffs. I don't think Utah & Denver are clearly way better than Houston though. Portland is easily a level below all 3 IMO.


And who had the #1 SRS this season - and what rank SRS did they lose to?

SRS doesn't determine anything, you still need to look at context. Even within the context of Houston having a high SRS - that is because Westbrook played out of his mind. Westbrook was injured and rusty, and didn't even play for most of the first round.

So why are people bringing up SRS?


Forget SRS. The Lakers would have killed Utah and Clippers just as they did Houston and Portland. Portland and Houston would have played close series that could go either way if matched up against other 2-8 West teams. There's no meaningful difference in opposition quality, Houston and Portland just lost badly because they faced a far superior team.
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Post#3395 » by GSP » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:25 am

eminence wrote:In the less trolling section of my posting - How this Nuggets/Clippers series went has made me feel a lot better about Mitchell's 1st round series. I was worried there might be a bit of a fluke feeling to it, but with the Nuggets kinda holding back Kawhi and Murray having another big series I feel a lot better about our performance.


Gary Harris didnt play until the end of the series

he locked Mitchell up when he was on him specially game 7, forcing him to airballs the clutch steal at the end etc

no way Donovan goes off like that if Gary is healthy the whole series
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3396 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:27 am

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Nuggets srs is lower at 10th and houstan can get crazy from three so its scarier. Houstan did end up going wild from three and hit 40%+ three games in a row. They lose three in a row too


SRS doesn't determine whos playoff matches, that isn't what it's used for - and SRS means even less this season since the season was split into two separate seasons essentially.

The Bucks had the best SRS this year and were destroyed, and had the best SRS last year for that matter. SRS just tells you if teams are good or not, it isn't predicitive of who will win a series.

The Rockets were not only an extremely gimmicky team, they also had their 2nd best player injured and unbelievably rusty - Westbrook played like absolute crap. There is nothing threatening about Houston, it's as ridiculous as people who said Houston would be a threat to LAL because of a "Bad match up".


I mean the idea of matchups was fair in the sense that the lakers didnt run 5 out alot, houstan were good at packing the paint which neither ad or bron score crazy well against, and we couldnt really stop them playing man to man.

Houstan shot 40%+ from three in three of 5 gMes which is stupid as hell

I dont think anyone thinks the nuggets are a better team than the clippers from this, and i dont see why the nuggets are better than houstan are, or more threatening


The idea was wrong though...

Why are the Nuggets not a better team than the Clippers? Let me guess, if the Clippers got by the Nuggets people would be hyped for LAC vs LAL - even with LAL as the favorites, because the Clippers are "clearly" the second best team in the league - right?

This is literally just made up stuff, the Clippers were never substantially better than the other teams in the league, they could have been beaten by a (healthy) Dallas (and Dallas would also destroy Portland, and probably beat Houston).

This kind of reminds me when people were totally oblivious that the 2015 Warriors were going to destroy the league or the 2011 Mavericks were contenders because it wasn't part of an established narrative. Too many people here are going off of name brand and not actually realizing that most of these teams are not separated by a lot. This is the most parity the NBA has seen in a very long time, and it was evident even during the RS>
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Post#3397 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:28 am

God what a night, and I'm loving seeing other just jazzed about it. There's a thread in the GB about focusing on crucifying players instead of celebrating greatness. Today makes me want to celebrate greatness. First that great Boston-Miami game with Bam at the finish, and Denver. Just wow.

To try to string together some thoughts:

1. If has to be noted that the Clippers just went ice cold. I'm not saying that the Nuggets don't deserve credit for their defense, but this also felt like a situation where once the Clippers went cold they got rattled and it got even worse. I think it's important to emphasize that while some teams are more prone to this than others, in 100 universes, this wouldn't happen anywhere near every time, but...

2. In the end it didn't even feel like that mattered. The way the Clippers came from behind and then blew the game open 3 times in a row, this was a TKO. Match up makes the fight, but this match up, with these coaching strategies, is settled. Nuggets > Clippers in the direct match up, the only question - other than whether a different coach would change things for the Clippers - is the Nuggets are a better team against most teams than the Clippers or whether the teams as currently constructed and orchestrated represent an unusual match up edge for the Nuggets.

3. And on that aspect of things, things are going to be different when Jokic has to face AD. The way AD has handled in Jokic in the past, along with the fact that the Lakers were the better team all season and have LeBron, makes the Lakers big favorites in the next round...

4. But Jamal Murray changes things. I have to be honest, I dismissed him as another would-be alpha that wasn't really good enough to be an alpha, and felt the Nuggets should think harder before giving him a max. I was wrong. There's just no way to think Bubble Murray isn't a legit star, and as good as the Lakers are, they're "lumpy" with their talent structure. I won't be at all surprised if the Nuggets put a scare into the Lakers.

5. Incidentally, clearly Paul George was not one of the Top 3 players in this series. That's something that needed to never be true except against the Lakers. It's just stunning to think that the Clippers emptied their proverbial clip to get George because Kawhi made them, and now what? There's reason to hope here going forward, but there's also a serious danger of collapse because, of course: Trading for George like that was clearly a bad move. Not necessarily a mistake by the Clippers because it got them Kawhi and they may still rally with George finding his vibe again, and not a mistake simply because it was an overpay, but because it was an overpay based on a certain individualist notion of "counting stars" that individualist-of-a-player Kawhi clearly bought into. George has been classified as a minor superstar, so clearly you can count on him, right?

6. I don't want to be super-negative tonight, but I've been shaking my head at George for years. This is a guy who is clearly easily rattled who has insisted on carrying himself as a hyper-masculine "ice in my veins" kind of guy. It's been an epic run of self-sabotage that has until now somehow managed to work out for him off-the-court convincing other people he actually was the thing he pretended to be. Dude needs to go on a hippy retreat and come back with a complete absence of ego.

7. Not that an exaggerated ego is necessarily a bad thing, because for Jimmy Butler, it clearly works. He's not as good as he thinks he is, but he's clearly inspired by his own narrative of himself, and he's capable of the same impact on the guys around him.

8. Back to the Nuggets: I just find myself thinking that the provably great vibe they have when down is a) completely unexpected and b) HUGE! I've always loved watching Jokic play and how he galvanized the movement of his teammates. And I would have told that I thought the way he fostered proactivity helped his teammates develop confidence. But I also thought that his tendencies toward petulance and whining would make the vibe brittle. Maybe they still are brittle, but there's something to be said for actually proving to yourselves what you can do on the grand stage. These guys feel empowered, and they feel like they feel like they can just keep learning to get better.

9. Last note: Key to all of this of course is that the Nuggets defense has found a way to solidify. Yes they got a bit lucky tonight with the Clippers missing shots, but this defense can be stout, and the notion of Jokic being a soft defender is I think really put to rest now. But AD is a different beast, so we'll see what happens next.

Briefly on the ECF:

i really like how Boston's been playing, but I like how Miami's been playing better. I could see this series going either way, but I love the diversity of attacks the Heat have. It's not just that they have many weapons, is that you can't optimize your defense against all of them at the same time even if you're Boston.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3398 » by dreamshake » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:30 am

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HeartBreakKid wrote:Utah and LAC are literally just flat out better than POR or Houston.

Got no clue where the Houston > Denver thing even comes from. Some love affair with names and reputation is the only thing I can think of. For what ever reason people will disrespect Denver (and Utah) but prop up Houston even though they barely squaked by OKC.


I don't necessarily disagree with the overall point of your post, but SRS does have Houston above Denver & Utah. Personally I feel like all 3 teams are a similar level in a vacuum against the NBA as a whole, but Houston's team was a bit more regular-season gimmicky that was easier to exploit in the playoffs. I don't think Utah & Denver are clearly way better than Houston though. Portland is easily a level below all 3 IMO.


And who had the #1 SRS this season - and what rank SRS did they lose to?

SRS doesn't determine anything, you still need to look at context. Even within the context of Houston having a high SRS - that is because Westbrook played out of his mind.

Westbrook was injured and rusty, and didn't even play for most of the first round. Therefore, how SRS an accurate measure to say that "they are on the same level" - would Denver be on the same level as the other teams if they Jokic was injured and played awful?

So why are people bringing up SRS?


Well . . . historically SRS does correlate pretty closely with playoff results. There are obviously exceptions - but a year or 2 ago I looked at it over the last couple decades and was surprised how rare the exceptions were in terms of correctly predicting conference finalists and beyond. Your points are still valid and obviously I'm not suggesting SRS is a replacement for analysis - I just think it's at least justifiable to say they're in the same general tier. i.e. I would consider Houston closer to the Utah/Denver level than to the Portland level. (and yes, I realize they both lost in 5 to the same team)
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3399 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:32 am

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MartinToVaught wrote:Anyone still want to defend Doc? Didn't think so.


I don't know what to say you Martin. I'm sorry for you that you were right. A fan like you deserves better.

You know what's even more depressing? I also called the 2015 Clippers/Rockets collapse on the GB after Game 5 and people told me I was crazy for that too.

Being a lifelong Clippers fan since the bad old days gives you a sixth sense for the worst-case scenario. And yeah, I agree the fans deserve better than this. The players have earned all the mockery they're going to get for being so arrogant all year, but it really, really sucks as a fan.


I don't know what to say my friend. fwiw, I'm rooting for the Clippers to break the curse and still think a Kawhi core is good bet going forard.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#3400 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:32 am

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I don't necessarily disagree with the overall point of your post, but SRS does have Houston above Denver & Utah. Personally I feel like all 3 teams are a similar level in a vacuum against the NBA as a whole, but Houston's team was a bit more regular-season gimmicky that was easier to exploit in the playoffs. I don't think Utah & Denver are clearly way better than Houston though. Portland is easily a level below all 3 IMO.


And who had the #1 SRS this season - and what rank SRS did they lose to?

SRS doesn't determine anything, you still need to look at context. Even within the context of Houston having a high SRS - that is because Westbrook played out of his mind.

Westbrook was injured and rusty, and didn't even play for most of the first round. Therefore, how SRS an accurate measure to say that "they are on the same level" - would Denver be on the same level as the other teams if they Jokic was injured and played awful?

So why are people bringing up SRS?


Well . . . historically SRS does correlate pretty closely with playoff results. There are obviously exceptions - but a year or 2 ago I looked at it over the last couple decades and was surprised how rare the exceptions were in terms of correctly predicting conference finalists and beyond. Your points are still valid and obviously I'm not suggesting SRS is a replacement for analysis - I just think it's at least justifiable to say they're in the same general tier. i.e. I would consider Houston closer to the Utah/Denver level than to the Portland level. (and yes, I realize they both lost in 5 to the same team)



Many things correlate closely with playoff results - your win/loss record certainly does as well.

Again, the fact that people are bringing up SRS - even though Russell Westbrook wasn't the same player is just a head scratcher. What exactly is the point of bringing up Houston has a similar SRS? I'm sorry, but Houston with essentially no Russell Westbrook is the same level as Utah and Denver? Break it down for me some more then.

I'm trying to imagine how Houston can win when Westbrook is guarded by Gary Haris, and I don't see much other than "they get lucky from 3" - which isn't really a good way to win a series.

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