The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2)

thebottomline · Post #341 » by **thebottomline** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:24 am

LeBron did this last season too with around 20 games left. He was averaging 27.7/8.4/6.6 on 62.0 TS% (54.8 FG%, 40.4 3P%, 76.4 FT%) but then his numbers came down across the board over the last 20 games last year.

GSP · Post #342 » by **GSP** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:51 am

mademan wrote:
GSP wrote:He has been looking lazy these past games IMO

Not at all, his activity on defense has been ridiculous. He's galloping down the floor on every long defensive rebound and turnover. The one thing Lebron has not been is lazy.

Disinterested in the halfcourt? Maybe. Definitely not lazy though.

Yeah disinterested is a better word

IG2 · Post #343 » by **IG2** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:00 am

His shot is a little off, other than that, he simply hasn't had to do much lately. Everybody else on the team has stepped it up. LeBron's content just moving the ball around.

Defensively he's simply been a beast post-AS break. Miami has now kept 6 straight opponents under 100 points. By far their longest streak since December.

GreenHat · Post #344 » by **GreenHat** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:08 am

thebottomline wrote:LeBron did this last season too with around 20 games left. He was averaging 27.7/8.4/6.6 on 62.0 TS% (54.8 FG%, 40.4 3P%, 76.4 FT%) but then his numbers came down across the board over the last 20 games last year.

Yeah I remember the slip last year as well.

Its weird Lebron will go on these crazy stretches and then it just comes back to (his) earth. One of these years he is going to put it all together for the whole year.

The rest of the team is playing well. Which kind of puts to rest the dumb argument that Lebron's stats are because he plays with talented players. His teammates have played much better and his stats have gone down.

rjchpd · Post #345 » by **rjchpd** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:19 am

IG2 wrote:His shot is a little off, other than that, he simply hasn't had to do much lately. Everybody else on the team has stepped it up. LeBron's content just moving the ball around.

Defensively he's simply been a beast post-AS break. Miami has now kept 6 straight opponents under 100 points. By far their longest streak since December.

^ This

Rasho_libre · Post #346 » by **Rasho_libre** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:34 am

Did anyone see that interception on the steal near the end of the third. I don't anyone on the planet can do that

PCProductions · Post #347 » by **PCProductions** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:55 am

Other than a gnarly 1st quarter with 3 TO's, he's been fine. Dude is just in the flow of his team, and does not get in the way. That is something truly special about him, he is the quintessential team player.

toodles23 · Post #348 » by **toodles23** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:58 pm

Lebron's mobility looks mediocre for the 2nd night in a row, but he's being aggressive, and that, combined with Philly's mediocre D (they parted the red seas on that double pump reverse jam) has resulted in him getting some easy buckets. Again with 3 TOs in the first quarter, but it looked to me like he was blatantly fouled on one of them (though there was no replay, so I can't be certain).

datstockton · Post #349 » by **datstockton** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:09 am

@Sideshow,

Any stats on LeBron in the fourth quarter when he starts the quarter on the floor vs. coming off the bench after a rest? He always seems more engaged and aggressive in the fourth when he doesn't rest.

WinisKing · Post #350 » by **WinisKing** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:22 am

Lebron's jumper is definitely off, but his attacks to the basket this game was sensational

Mutnt · Post #351 » by **Mutnt** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:26 am

toodles23 wrote:Lebron's mobility looks mediocre for the 2nd night in a row, but he's being aggressive, and that, combined with Philly's mediocre D (they parted the red seas on that double pump reverse jam) has resulted in him getting some easy buckets. Again with 3 TOs in the first quarter, but it looked to me like he was blatantly fouled on one of them (though there was no replay, so I can't be certain).

His mobility is better than during any stretch of this season in the last two games, same can be said for his aggressiveness and defensive effort and it showed again tonight. People need to relax, the only problem is that his jumper is off and he's missing some of the shots around the rim that he'd usually make, that's why his FG% is what it is. Everything else is, as usual, still on a very high level.

SideshowBob · Post #352 » by **SideshowBob** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:51 pm

Few stat updates

Miami first 34 G: 111.2 ORTG (+5.6), 106.1 DRTG (+0.5 ), 4.2 SRS
Miami last 29 G: 115.8 ORTG (+10.2), 104.1 DRTG (-1.4), 10.5 SRS

Let's look at those 29 games. Not coincidentally, they've cooled down offensively at the same time Lebron's cooled down offensively. But they've gotten even better defensively, at the same time Lebron's looked his best defensively.

First 21 G: 118.0 ORTG (+12.4), 105.7 DRTG (+0.1), 11.1 SRS

Lebron in that stretch: 29.2/7.7/7.9 on 69.1% TS and 2.9 TOs a game.

Miami with Lebron ON the floor: 122.7 ORTG, 104.7 DRTG, +18.0 Net

Last 8 G: 110.1 ORTG (+4.5), 99.8 DRTG (-5.8), 9.1 SRS

Lebron in that stretch: 21.6/7.8/6.3 on 56.7% TS and 3.4 TOs a game

Miami with Lebron ON the floor: 112.4 ORTG, 94.8 DRTG, +17.6 Net

That's pretty impressive. Without accounting for opponent strength, they're playing almost at an identical level with Lebron on the floor, regardless of the fact that both he and Miami have regressed offensively (though Wade's obviously done a fantastic job picking up the slack in Lebron's "slump").

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #353 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:37 am

From the perspective of someone who is a Heat fan, but not necessarily a LeBron fan, I'd disagree with the notion that LeBron is blending in perfectly with the team lately. He's actually been a bit of a ball-stopper, which is supported by Sideshow's numbers of the offensive rating for the team down from where it had been before this recent stretch.

His jumper has been off but its not just that, he's also holding the ball longer which does a few bad things for the offense, including stagnating the other players (guys aren't going to work as hard for position, set screens and cut when 1 guy holds the ball too long), allowing the defense to set themselves, and not getting himself easy spot-up opportunities.

His energy level hasn't been down, but he has to get back into the groove offensively and work harder at moving the ball and making quick attack moves himself when he gets it. Note I'm not saying his play overall is any sort of a negative, he's still been amazing, particularly on the defensive end. But I don't buy the notion that the way he's playing offensively is being done because his teammates are covering him or that everyone is working perfectly in sync.

A much better example of that would be last years Finals against OKC, where LeBron constantly made quick reads the second he received the ball and just attacked (or passed), and didn't hold it unless he was posting his man to gain ground towards the rim and/or draw a double team.

Greatness · Post #354 » by **Greatness** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:29 am

Is it just me or is LeBron's jumper automatic in Milwaukee? Especially his turnaround jumper.

IG2 · Post #355 » by **IG2** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:31 am

Solid game for LeBron tonight, but his jumper is in a serious slump. He can't make anything facing up.

ardee · Post #356 » by **ardee** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:19 pm

I didn't post this earlier as I didn't want to sound reactionary...

Do people still think this year is gonna go down as the GOAT peak? I understand he IS going to take it to another level come the Playoffs but if you're talking absolutely GOAT peak you need a perfect season. Not saying he hasn't been brilliant but given the beginning of the season and his current relative 'slump' after the insanity of Feb is it good enough to beat out the Wilts and Jordans and Shaqs?

Post #357 » by **mopper8** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:31 pm

ardee wrote:I didn't post this earlier as I didn't want to sound reactionary...

Do people still think this year is gonna go down as the GOAT peak? I understand he IS going to take it to another level come the Playoffs but if you're talking absolutely GOAT peak you need a perfect season. Not saying he hasn't been brilliant but given the beginning of the season and his current relative 'slump' after the insanity of Feb is it good enough to beat out the Wilts and Jordans and Shaqs?

I think if he picks it up some for the last 18 games, yes.

If he stays at the way he's currently playing, still top-5ish, but not clearly #1. Though a reasonable argument could be made.

Mutnt · Post #358 » by **Mutnt** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:36 pm

Not GOAT peak for me, but still one of the best.

The weird thing is that I have a feeling he'll be even better next year.

WinisKing · Post #359 » by **WinisKing** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:48 pm

Mutnt wrote:Not GOAT peak for me, but still one of the best.

The weird thing is that I have a feeling he'll be even better next year.

He was so close in February :lol:

, but as expected, his numbers dropped as he stopped attacking.

SideshowBob · Post #360 » by **SideshowBob** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:03 pm

It's always been about the playoffs for me. I had him hitting #1 before his hot streak began, based on how I thought he'd be able to perform in the playoffs, so I can't let a cold streak swing me the other way either, particularly when he's jumped up to another level defensively.

What I care about is how he's able to impact the game in the playoffs, not box-score performance now, and not box-score performance then. That's seems to be the ideal way to measure goodness, and that's what I care about when we're talking about peaks. A hot streak in the regular season doesn't change my impression of how well I think his skills will translate to the postseason, and a cold streak doesn't either. He's going to be what he's going to be.