The Lebron Thread (Pt. 3)

[Chalky White]

LeBron doesn't have the footwork or phsicality to be consistently fed in the post. He has no go to or counter moves.

I'm pretty sure everybody on the 2012 Thunder team would disagree with you.

As I'm sure you haven't a clue what you're discussing. LeBron benefited from being matched up against Harden and Thabo, much smaller players that struggle holding position on the low block. LBJ didn't beat them because he's a skilled post player, he beat them because he was significantly bigger than either and they couldn't much up with his strength.

Against players more similar to his stature; David West, Kawhi Leonard, Marion, Duncan, etc; he isn't particularly effective in the high or low post. He doesn't have the footwork, skill, or polish; and lacks go to or counter moves to create space for his wildly inconsistent jumper.

[TheChosen618]

LeBron doesn't have the footwork or phsicality to be consistently fed in the post. He has no go to or counter moves.

I'm pretty sure everybody on the 2012 Thunder team would disagree with you.

As I'm sure you haven't a clue what you're discussing. LeBron benefited from being matched up against Harden and Thabo, much smaller players that struggle holding position on the low block. LBJ didn't beat them because he's a skilled post player, he beat them because he was significantly bigger than either and they couldn't much up with his strength.

Against players more similar to his stature; David West, Kawhi Leonard, Marion, Duncan, etc; he isn't particularly effective in the high or low post. He doesn't have the footwork, skill, or polish; and lacks go to or counter moves to create space for his wildly inconsistent jumper.

How is Leonard any bigger than Thabo or even George for that matter, who Lebron dominated in the post in game 3 in the last series?

He doesn't need to post up Duncan because he can easily beat him. He does need to post up against Green and Leonard.


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[Bucksfans1and2]

LeBron doesn't have the footwork or phsicality to be consistently fed in the post. He has no go to or counter moves.

I'm pretty sure everybody on the 2012 Thunder team would disagree with you.

As I'm sure you haven't a clue what you're discussing. LeBron benefited from being matched up against Harden and Thabo, much smaller players that struggle holding position on the low block. LBJ didn't beat them because he's a skilled post player, he beat them because he was significantly bigger than either and they couldn't much up with his strength.

Against players more similar to his stature; David West, Kawhi Leonard, Marion, Duncan, etc; he isn't particularly effective in the high or low post. He doesn't have the footwork, skill, or polish; and lacks go to or counter moves to create space for his wildly inconsistent jumper.

He can consistently blow past all of those guys off the dribble. That's the incredible thing about Lebron. He simply can't be guarded 1v1. It requires an entire team effort to deal with him.

[ThatsWhatIShved]

I'm pretty sure everybody on the 2012 Thunder team would disagree with you.

As I'm sure you haven't a clue what you're discussing. LeBron benefited from being matched up against Harden and Thabo, much smaller players that struggle holding position on the low block. LBJ didn't beat them because he's a skilled post player, he beat them because he was significantly bigger than either and they couldn't much up with his strength.

Against players more similar to his stature; David West, Kawhi Leonard, Marion, Duncan, etc; he isn't particularly effective in the high or low post. He doesn't have the footwork, skill, or polish; and lacks go to or counter moves to create space for his wildly inconsistent jumper.

He can consistently blow past all of those guys off the dribble. That's the incredible thing about Lebron. He simply can't be guarded 1v1. It requires an entire team effort to deal with him.

This is 100% wrong. What makes Lebron different from other allstar level players is that you can shut him down with one on one defense. Watch the Bulls/Pacers/Spurs series from this year, "Lebron's GOAT peak". He's seen less than a dozen double teams, and no triple teams, and all of his primary defendres are not even old enough to rent a car yet. Compare this to Durant getting triple teamed off the ball in the 2011 WCF, and you can see what some people don't feel Lebron is on the level of other greats. Lebron's inability to dominate one on one coverage while being guarded by 22-23 year olds is what seperates him from other stars. i can't imagine anyone other top 30 player not going off if they faced the same defensive inattention that Lebron has gotten the luxury of facing

[Bucksfans1and2]

As I'm sure you haven't a clue what you're discussing. LeBron benefited from being matched up against Harden and Thabo, much smaller players that struggle holding position on the low block. LBJ didn't beat them because he's a skilled post player, he beat them because he was significantly bigger than either and they couldn't much up with his strength.

Against players more similar to his stature; David West, Kawhi Leonard, Marion, Duncan, etc; he isn't particularly effective in the high or low post. He doesn't have the footwork, skill, or polish; and lacks go to or counter moves to create space for his wildly inconsistent jumper.

He can consistently blow past all of those guys off the dribble. That's the incredible thing about Lebron. He simply can't be guarded 1v1. It requires an entire team effort to deal with him.

This is 100% wrong. What makes Lebron different from other allstar level players is that you can shut him down with one on one defense. Watch the Bulls/Pacers/Spurs series from this year, "Lebron's GOAT peak". He's seen less than a dozen double teams, and no triple teams, and all of his primary defendres are not even old enough to rent a car yet. Compare this to Durant getting triple teamed off the ball in the 2011 WCF, and you can see what some people don't feel Lebron is on the level of other greats. Lebron's inability to dominate one on one coverage while being guarded by 22-23 year olds is what seperates him from other stars. i can't imagine anyone other top 30 player not going off if they faced the same defensive inattention that Lebron has gotten the luxury of facing

What the bleeding hell are you talking about?

What do you define a double team as? Every time he drives he's got two or three guys on him at all times. That's the only double team that exists in the NBA.

When was Durant getting triple teamed off the ball?

Lebron consistently dominates 1v1 coverage. He consistently dominates team defense. There's a reason he's got 4 MVPs.

[ThatsWhatIShved]

He can consistently blow past all of those guys off the dribble. That's the incredible thing about Lebron. He simply can't be guarded 1v1. It requires an entire team effort to deal with him.

This is 100% wrong. What makes Lebron different from other allstar level players is that you can shut him down with one on one defense. Watch the Bulls/Pacers/Spurs series from this year, "Lebron's GOAT peak". He's seen less than a dozen double teams, and no triple teams, and all of his primary defendres are not even old enough to rent a car yet. Compare this to Durant getting triple teamed off the ball in the 2011 WCF, and you can see what some people don't feel Lebron is on the level of other greats. Lebron's inability to dominate one on one coverage while being guarded by 22-23 year olds is what seperates him from other stars. i can't imagine anyone other top 30 player not going off if they faced the same defensive inattention that Lebron has gotten the luxury of facing

What the bleeding hell are you talking about?

What do you define a double team as? Every time he drives he's got two or three guys on him at all times. That's the only double team that exists in the NBA.

When was Durant getting triple teamed off the ball?

Lebron consistently dominates 1v1 coverage. He consistently dominates team defense. There's a reason he's got 4 MVPs.

You are thinking of help defense. This is a common mistake that us Lebron fans make. But drawing the help is not drawing double teams. Watch alltime greats like Kobe or Durant play. They actually draw real double teams, where two guys are commited to only defending them.

Watch the 2011 WCF. KD is triple teamed off the ball twice, iirc in the 4th of Game 3 maybe?

Lebron consistently dominates sub .500 teams, or good teams during blowout wins/losses. In games that actually matter, against teams that actually matter, in the minutes that actually matter? Lebron is not consistenly doing anything, except maybe turning it over or playing hot potato.

[Chalky White]

This is 100% wrong. What makes Lebron different from other allstar level players is that you can shut him down with one on one defense. Watch the Bulls/Pacers/Spurs series from this year, "Lebron's GOAT peak". He's seen less than a dozen double teams, and no triple teams, and all of his primary defendres are not even old enough to rent a car yet. Compare this to Durant getting triple teamed off the ball in the 2011 WCF, and you can see what some people don't feel Lebron is on the level of other greats. Lebron's inability to dominate one on one coverage while being guarded by 22-23 year olds is what seperates him from other stars. i can't imagine anyone other top 30 player not going off if they faced the same defensive inattention that Lebron has gotten the luxury of facing

What the bleeding hell are you talking about?

What do you define a double team as? Every time he drives he's got two or three guys on him at all times. That's the only double team that exists in the NBA.

When was Durant getting triple teamed off the ball?

Lebron consistently dominates 1v1 coverage. He consistently dominates team defense. There's a reason he's got 4 MVPs.

You are thinking of help defense. This is a common mistake that us Lebron fans make. But drawing the help is not drawing double teams. Watch alltime greats like Kobe or Durant play. They actually draw real double teams, where two guys are commited to only defending them.

Watch the 2011 WCF. KD is triple teamed off the ball twice, iirc in the 4th of Game 3 maybe?

Lebron consistently dominates sub .500 teams, or good teams during blowout wins/losses. In games that actually matter, against teams that actually matter, in the minutes that actually matter? Lebron is not consistenly doing anything, except maybe turning it over or playing hot potato.

At one point against Houston Durant was triple teamed on ball, and doubled teamed full court

[Bucksfans1and2]

This is 100% wrong. What makes Lebron different from other allstar level players is that you can shut him down with one on one defense. Watch the Bulls/Pacers/Spurs series from this year, "Lebron's GOAT peak". He's seen less than a dozen double teams, and no triple teams, and all of his primary defendres are not even old enough to rent a car yet. Compare this to Durant getting triple teamed off the ball in the 2011 WCF, and you can see what some people don't feel Lebron is on the level of other greats. Lebron's inability to dominate one on one coverage while being guarded by 22-23 year olds is what seperates him from other stars. i can't imagine anyone other top 30 player not going off if they faced the same defensive inattention that Lebron has gotten the luxury of facing

What the bleeding hell are you talking about?

What do you define a double team as? Every time he drives he's got two or three guys on him at all times. That's the only double team that exists in the NBA.

When was Durant getting triple teamed off the ball?

Lebron consistently dominates 1v1 coverage. He consistently dominates team defense. There's a reason he's got 4 MVPs.

You are thinking of help defense. This is a common mistake that us Lebron fans make. But drawing the help is not drawing double teams. Watch alltime greats like Kobe or Durant play. They actually draw real double teams, where two guys are commited to only defending them.

Watch the 2011 WCF. KD is triple teamed off the ball twice, iirc in the 4th of Game 3 maybe?

Lebron consistently dominates sub .500 teams, or good teams during blowout wins/losses. In games that actually matter, against teams that actually matter, in the minutes that actually matter? Lebron is not consistenly doing anything, except maybe turning it over or playing hot potato.

Wait, wait, wait, back the **** up. Durant is an all time great, but Lebron isn't? That's patently ridiculous.

Nobody draws real double teams. Show me a video of a "real" double team as you call it. Everybody in the NBA can score if you leave them wide open, which double teamming requires.

The concept of triple teamming someone off the ball is so moronic that I can't believe anyone smart enough to type would believe such a thing. If three guys are guarding someone off the ball, and there's a defender guarding the ball, that means there's one defender guarding three players. That's (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[PCProductions]

Wait, wait, wait, back the **** up. Durant is an all time great, but Lebron isn't? That's patently ridiculous.

Nobody draws real double teams. Show me a video of a "real" double team as you call it. Everybody in the NBA can score if you leave them wide open, which double teamming requires.

The concept of triple teamming someone off the ball is so moronic that I can't believe anyone smart enough to type would believe such a thing. If three guys are guarding someone off the ball, and there's a defender guarding the ball, that means there's one defender guarding three players. That's (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

The fact that you're taking this guy seriously, by the way, shows that you don't hang out in this thread long enough. He's sort of this weird comical incarnation of your typical LBJ-hater and might just be an ultra-sarcastic Lebron fan.

Carry on.

[Chalky White]

I'm pretty sure everybody on the 2012 Thunder team would disagree with you.

As I'm sure you haven't a clue what you're discussing. LeBron benefited from being matched up against Harden and Thabo, much smaller players that struggle holding position on the low block. LBJ didn't beat them because he's a skilled post player, he beat them because he was significantly bigger than either and they couldn't much up with his strength.

Against players more similar to his stature; David West, Kawhi Leonard, Marion, Duncan, etc; he isn't particularly effective in the high or low post. He doesn't have the footwork, skill, or polish; and lacks go to or counter moves to create space for his wildly inconsistent jumper.

He can consistently blow past all of those guys off the dribble. That's the incredible thing about Lebron. He simply can't be guarded 1v1. It requires an entire team effort to deal with him.

LeBron gets single coverage all the time, literally. Doesn't consistently blow by 1-3's and even some 4's without a pick. Hence why he continues to struggle as he does in the finals.

[Bucksfans1and2]

As I'm sure you haven't a clue what you're discussing. LeBron benefited from being matched up against Harden and Thabo, much smaller players that struggle holding position on the low block. LBJ didn't beat them because he's a skilled post player, he beat them because he was significantly bigger than either and they couldn't much up with his strength.

Against players more similar to his stature; David West, Kawhi Leonard, Marion, Duncan, etc; he isn't particularly effective in the high or low post. He doesn't have the footwork, skill, or polish; and lacks go to or counter moves to create space for his wildly inconsistent jumper.

He can consistently blow past all of those guys off the dribble. That's the incredible thing about Lebron. He simply can't be guarded 1v1. It requires an entire team effort to deal with him.

LeBron gets single coverage all the time, literally. Doesn't consistently blow by 1-3's and even some 4's without a pick. Hence why he continues to struggle as he does in the finals.

If he can't blow by 1-4's, why does he struggle only in the finals (according to you)

[Chalky White]

He can consistently blow past all of those guys off the dribble. That's the incredible thing about Lebron. He simply can't be guarded 1v1. It requires an entire team effort to deal with him.

LeBron gets single coverage all the time, literally. Doesn't consistently blow by 1-3's and even some 4's without a pick. Hence why he continues to struggle as he does in the finals.

If he can't blow by 1-4's, why does he struggle only in the finals (according to you)

First, reading comprehension. There's nothing I said he couldn't do. Secondly, the answer to your question should be obvious. Though, he saw tons of single coverage against Indiana and Chicago and didn't necessarily dominate the opposition.

[Bucksfans1and2]

LeBron gets single coverage all the time, literally. Doesn't consistently blow by 1-3's and even some 4's without a pick. Hence why he continues to struggle as he does in the finals.

If he can't blow by 1-4's, why does he struggle only in the finals (according to you)

First, reading comprehension. There's nothing I said he couldn't do. Secondly, the answer to your question should be obvious. Though, he saw tons of single coverage against Indiana and Chicago and didn't necessarily dominate the opposition.

He did very well in both series. Dominating elite defenses is pretty damn hard.

[GetItDone]

This Game 4 tonight may very well be the biggest game of his career.

[PCProductions]

This Game 4 tonight may very well be the biggest game of his career.

Moreso than Game 6 @ Boston?

[IG2]

This Game 4 tonight may very well be the biggest game of his career.

Nah. Pretty much any series-deciding game of the last 2 postseasons was bigger than tonight. He was ring-less then and had a lot more on the line. At least he has a ring now.

[HilltopperJay]

I'm anxious to see how he plays tonight. The way I look at it: he's either as great as he's supposed to be, or he's not. I know it's just one game, but well . . . there's a helluva lot riding on this one game. Big game tonight and/or a win with solid play, I think he's on the right track to redeeming himself from his poor play in the last game(s). We shall see.

[Chalky White]

If he can't blow by 1-4's, why does he struggle only in the finals (according to you)

First, reading comprehension. There's nothing I said he couldn't do. Secondly, the answer to your question should be obvious. Though, he saw tons of single coverage against Indiana and Chicago and didn't necessarily dominate the opposition.

He did very well in both series. Dominating elite defenses is pretty damn hard.

You have a loose definition of domination, obviously.

[GSP]

Game 6 VS Boston was mos def the biggest game of Lebrons career.
Im hopeful for tonight cmon Lebron!!!!!

[toodles23]

Great start for Lebron, not sure I like Spo's decision to take him out immediately after making 2 jumpers. We could see a huge game from him tonight.