The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1)

picc · Post #341 » by **picc** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:19 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/kpelton/status/667592790604312577[/tweet]

lmfao

GSP · Post #342 » by **GSP** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:01 am

How much credit does Kerr deserve at this point?

Johnny Firpo · Post #343 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:18 am

GSP wrote:How much credit does Kerr deserve at this point?

We don't really know how frequently he and Walton talk, he obviously still makes every coaching decisions outside of in-game substitutions, but they may even have a predetermined pattern for that with various scenarios. He may not be physically there, but he's still the head coach.

The-Power · Post #344 » by **The-Power** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:27 am

Ladies and Gentlemen, I proudly present... the CURRY-EFFECT (again).

Giving up an uncontested dunk with 1:09 remaining in a 1-point-game because of focussing on and ultimately doubling Curry at the 3pt-line on an inbound pass.

The whole play (including Iggy's celebration):
https://cdn.streamable.com/video/mp4/ef30.mp4

Johnny Firpo · Post #345 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:32 am

The-Power wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, I proudly present... the CURRY-EFFECT (again)

It's nice and all, but the plan obviously wasn't to give up an uncontested dunk, come on now.

The-Power · Post #346 » by **The-Power** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:22 am

Johnny Firpo wrote:
The-Power wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, I proudly present... the CURRY-EFFECT (again)

It's nice and all, but the plan obviously wasn't to give up an uncontested dunk, come on now.

Huh? I never said it was. Still doesn't change the fact that Curry's presence distracted the defense and this ultimately led to the dunk. Of course they should have defended the play differently and of course the plan was not to give up a dunk. This is absolutely not my point.

Johnny Firpo · Post #347 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:26 am

[quote="]The-Power"Huh? I never said it was. Still doesn't change the fact that Curry's presence distracted the defense and this ultimately led to the dunk. Of course they should have defended the play differently and of course the plan was not to give up a dunk. This is absolutely not my point.[/quote]

Your wording under the picture kind of implied it to me. Could have been a misunderstanding. Anyway, elite shooters will do that to spacing. At that point the one thing you don't want to give up is an open three. Or in the case of Curry, neither a semi-open one.

The-Power · Post #348 » by **The-Power** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:33 am

Johnny Firpo wrote:Your wording under the picture kind of implied it to me. Could have been a misunderstanding. Anyway, elite shooters will do that to spacing. At that point the one thing you don't want to give up is an open three. Or in the case of Curry, neither a semi-open one.

Nah, was merely stating the facts: first focussing on him, then doubling him, then giving up an uncontested dunk. Not even Curry would render this play smart for obvious reasons, i.e. it's a clear mistake but one provoked by Curry's presence. Anyway, I'm not sure if there is another player where this mistake would happen in this situation. I doubt it, personally.

JordansBulls · Post #349 » by **JordansBulls** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:38 pm

I'm glad this happened now Chicago breaks the streak and wins in Golden State tonight like last year and Jimmy holding Curry tonight.

therealbig3 · Post #350 » by **therealbig3** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:45 pm

His TOs have been high the last few games, but other than that, he's been brilliant.

Dr Spaceman · Post #351 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:40 pm

JordansBulls wrote:I'm glad this happened now Chicago breaks the streak and wins in Golden State tonight like last year and Jimmy holding Curry tonight.

Holding as in holding Curry's jersey as Steph blows by him and getting called for a shooting foul

Dr Spaceman · Post #352 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:44 pm

GSP wrote:How much credit does Kerr deserve at this point?

Walton didn't install the schemes, doesn't mentor Curry the way Kerr does, didn't handle the hiring of assistants, didn't create the team culture. Kerr still deserves all the credit people were giving him last year. If anything there are markers that the rest of the team as a whole is functioning slightly worse but Curry has just become such a monster that he makes it up and then some.

Besides the whole point of a read-react motion offense is that eventually the player get comfortable enough with the scheme and each other that play calls aren't really necessary. Ask Gregg Popovich how often the Spurs practice.

bballexpert · Post #353 » by **bballexpert** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:47 pm

Curry showing why he is the mvp always coming back in the last quarter regardless on how the first half went. Man they way he just **** up others teams plans is funny got whole team 30 feet out and he passes to a guy for a easy dunk man.

JordansBulls · Post #354 » by **JordansBulls** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:46 pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:I'm glad this happened now Chicago breaks the streak and wins in Golden State tonight like last year and Jimmy holding Curry tonight.

Holding as in holding Curry's jersey as Steph blows by him and getting called for a shooting foul

Holding as in lock up, making life difficult for Curry.

Soca · Post #355 » by **Soca** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:16 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:I'm glad this happened now Chicago breaks the streak and wins in Golden State tonight like last year and Jimmy holding Curry tonight.

Holding as in holding Curry's jersey as Steph blows by him and getting called for a shooting foul

Holding as in lock up, making life difficult for Curry.

good luck with that

JordansBulls · Post #356 » by **JordansBulls** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:23 am

Wish we could play Golden State 41 times and Cleveland 41 times on the season and we would be the ones who go 72-10 on the season.

RSCD3_ · Post #357 » by **RSCD3_** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:30 am

In the Last 8 games, he's only been shooting 38.4 3PT%, and has had two more turnovers than assists 40-42.

He's in a little bit of a slump and over the last 7 games ( this one not included ) his ORTG is only 111.

Curry now a very mortal 34.5 3PT% over his last 5 games after that miss

J Shuttlesworth · Post #358 » by **J Shuttlesworth** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:24 am

how did this work out for you?

JordansBulls wrote:I'm glad this happened now Chicago breaks the streak and wins in Golden State tonight like last year and Jimmy holding Curry tonight.

Atmanne · Post #359 » by **Atmanne** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:09 am

RSCD3_ wrote:his ORTG is only 111.

The horror!

The-Power · Post #360 » by **The-Power** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:44 am

Poor game from him. He missed good looks he usually makes but this happens, nothing to blame him for because he works as usual for his looks and keeps getting them. I can also accept a couple of turnovers since the way we are playing is very risky and based on the potential reward, which works quite well I'd say. The decrease in assist numbers has to do with recent changes in the Curry/Green PnR which is extremely effective this way and our offense through the bigs has been a trademark the last year as well, this trend simply continues.

But he has to stop being sloppy, especially with the simple passes. Damn, the whole league watches and scouts us. You can't expect to have an easy pass to Green in every PnR-situation or an easy pass out to Klay at the 3pt-line. Sometimes it looks like Curry is already one step ahead of the actual play, as if he has something in mind for the situation after the pass was made and therefore forgets to look out for players playing the passing lanes. But you could see how frustrated he has been with this kind of sloppy play (and with some of the misses he expects him to make more often) lately and I'm convinced he turns this around pretty soon. He's the one most bothered by it.

Another topic: Curry's shot-chart

I felt like he picked his spots differently or, another way to look at it, has improved his ability to get his shots up where he wants to. We can see (data from before last night's game but it shouldn't really matter) that the increase of his shot-attempts stems not from midrange or long-2's. Player's increasing their volume are likely to increase their 2pt-jumper attempts because these are usually the easiest shots to get additionally. However, when we look at Curry we see that his % of FGA from 10-16ft is at 6.4 (career: 9.1) and - this is the incredible stat - his % of FGA from 16-<3P is at 11.7 (career: 24.3 (!)). This is a trend we could already witness last year and he keeps continuing it. The % of FGA from 3 is way up as it was to be expected (11.9% above career-average), and so is the proportion of shots from 3-10ft (career-high as well, 4% above career-average with 13.9%) which should be mostly related to his improved floaters he likes to use more now.

The bottom line is: regardless of planned or not, with the different shot selection he improves his efficiency by reducing the most inefficient shots for him (or increasing the high efficient ones, depending on how you want to look at it). This is all the more impressive considering he actually takes more shots. It was talked about that Curry might have extended his range (read it as: he's even more comfortable and efficient pulling up from deeper spots on the court) by Jim Barnett (Warriors' long-time color commentator), that he improved his ball-handling even further (which complies with the eye-test) and that he, as I see it, also worked on his floaters. He also looks a little quicker and stronger, but this is very hard to verify and might be an incorrect perception. Anyway, all of this should help him to maximize the most efficient shots and so far it seems to be true. I'll definitely keep an eye on it over the course of the season. Thoughts?