All-Time Fantasy Draft With FGA Limit - Meta Thread

[Quotatious]

A related question to the short three-point line issue: What do people think about ABA seasons? (Personally I'm pro-ABA, since they merged with the NBA, but against using seasons of guys in any other leagues like college or international.)

ABA is allowed. College and international are absolutely NOT allowed. Just want to make it clear, as the commissioner.

[Dr Spaceman]

YOUVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. I already had my Sidney Moncrief selection post written. Damn.

YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE HIM!!!!!

[Doctor MJ]

Something that just occurred to me…

During the 1994–95, 1995–96, and 1996–97 seasons, the NBA attempted to address decreased scoring by shortening the distance of the line from 23 feet, 9 inches (22 feet at the corners) to a uniform 22 feet (6.7 m) around the basket. From the 1997–98 season on, the NBA reverted the line to its original distance of 23 feet, 9 inches (22 feet at the corners).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-point_field_goal#History

How will players picked during these 3 seasons be looked at as far as their 3PT output / % is concerned? Should it be taken at face value since they couldn’t control that the line was shorter, or is the value of their ability to hit 3s lessened? In a general evaluation, we can look at how they shot in other seasons, but that doesn’t seem applicable here since we’re focusing on single seasons for each player.

Okay so, apologize if I come across as self-serving or cantankerous here. None of this stuff is my call, but my 2 cents:

I don't see how to make a meaningful comparison between what are supposed to be legit basketball teams based on how many of each type of shot each guy took in a completely different context - different team, different rules, different paces, different MPG standards, and different eras in general.

On the other hand saying that the team you build has to distribute X FGAs among your roster, and that a player being forced into an unfamiliar role which requires ego sacrifice probably won't take to it well, is to me a way of forcing GMs to take team chemistry seriously.

I"m building my team based on the latter perspective. It may end up costing me when others judge me so I'm not saying that's what everyone should do, i'm just saying it's the only way that I know how to actually build a team where I can imagine them actually playing basketball in my mind.

[pelifan]

Mocrief is a great pick as well with that level of two way play on 13 shots a game.

[wojoaderge]

YOUVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. I already had my Sidney Moncrief selection post written. Damn.

YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE HIM!!!!!

I had two or three other prime defensive guards in mind who were total non-scorers, but I felt peer-pressured to not be completely flamed out of this thread. Had I remembered about hippie/SLA Bill Walton (I would have chosen 1974-75 for sure), it would have given me the foundation to do all sorts of crazy things, but I forgot about him. Oh well, next time

[Dr Spaceman]

Sorry guys, I need a little time after the Moncrief thing. It's not that I don't have backup plans, it's that none of them were fleshed out the way my vision after the Moncrief one was. I feel like the third pick is the one that solidifies your identity to some degree, so I need to think hard about what route I want to go again.

That was devastating.

[wojoaderge]

Yeah, you need a good defensive guard next to Magic for sure

Mentioning Walton reminds me of an unanswered question I asked previously. Let's I say did indeed select 1974-75 Bill Walton. How to injuries effect things?

[Doctor MJ]

Sorry guys, I need a little time after the Moncrief thing. It's not that I don't have backup plans, it's that none of them were fleshed out the way my vision after the Moncrief one was. I feel like the third pick is the one that solidifies your identity to some degree, so I need to think hard about what route I want to go again.

That was devastating.

I think it's good you posted this. I can certainly empathize and philosophically there's definitely to what you're saying about your "Big 3".

[Timmaytime]

Funny thing is I had my post written for Moncrief too and then last second I decided to take Bosh. Now i'm wishing I did take Squid...

[JLei]

Damn it. Didn't see this until now. Would have loved to participate. Interesting selections so far. I've done alot of metathinking around all-time drafts to who should rise relative to talent vs. who should fall. Let's see if these trends play out.

[Timmaytime]

Damn it. Didn't see this until now. Would have loved to participate. Interesting selections so far. I've done alot of metathinking around all-time drafts to who should rise relative to talent vs. who should fall. Let's see if these trends play out.

I think there's another similar thing starting on the T&T Games board. If you're interested

[Quotatious]

Mentioning Walton reminds me of an unanswered question I asked previously. Let's I say did indeed select 1974-75 Bill Walton. How to injuries effect things?

50 games played in a full 82-game season is a must. I didn't mention that before, because nobody selected a guy who played less than that, and I didn't expect that being a problem in any case (i.e. I didn't see a player worth taking who played under 50 games).

1977 and 1978 Walton was clearly better than 1975 Walton (which was his rookie year).

[wojoaderge]

Mentioning Walton reminds me of an unanswered question I asked previously. Let's I say did indeed select 1974-75 Bill Walton. How to injuries effect things?

50 games played in a full 82-game season is a must. I didn't mention that before, because nobody selected a guy who played less than that, and I didn't expect that being a problem in any case (i.e. I didn't see a player worth taking who played under 50 games).

1977 and 1978 Walton was clearly better than 1975 Walton (which was his rookie year).

He looked groovier, better politics - and less than 10 FGA per game

[Dr Spaceman]

He marveled and puzzled and raged at the awful gap between his vision and other people’s, at his own consistent failure to bridge it.

- Jennifer Egan, Look at Me

Blatantly plagiarized from the awesome blog: http://litandbasketball.tumblr.com

I'm taking the temperamental, intimidating, larger-than-life Rasheed Wallace.

Sheed consistently shows up across a wide variety of contexts to be one of the most massively impactful players of the 2000s. It's strange to retroactively argue people at the time were straight up wrong, but in my opinion Sheed could have won a few of Big Ben's DPOY awards. He led a crazy successful Portland team to a near upset of the peak Shaq-led Lakers, and immediately;y shows up in Detroit and rockets them from fringe contender to title winner. He has the 6th highest single-season WOWY score in ElGee's data during the 04 stint with Detroit.

Sheed was a massively impactful defender, the rare 7 footer who can step out on perimeter players and guard 3-5 effectively. He's one of the best big man help defenders we've seen, with the rare ability to both dig down in the paint and close out hard on the perimeter. His versatility is his calling card; he can switch everything and he moves his feet as well as many of the best horizontal defenders we've seen. In a lot of ways he was the precursor to what we've seen out of the likes of Kevin Garnett and Draymond Green in their best defensive seasons. His intensity and motor are unmatched on that end.

Offensively he's a plus shooter for a big man and a smart passer. He has a really effective post game and a great mid-range jumper. And based off everything I've seen he has no issue playing a supporting role on offense and focusing his energy use on the other side of the ball. I think his spacing and IQ will be a huge boon to my team on both sides of the ball.

He's had his issues, I won't deny, but when he was surrounded by elite talent he always put forth 100% of his effort. His peak intensity could go toe to toe with anyone who's ever played, and one team's mania is another team's driving passion. Plus he's got Magic to be the public face . I think in a team like this, with this type of competition, he'll be on his A-Game for sure.

Plus, I couldn't pass up on the all-time leader in technical fouls.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BhuU4LBXRM[/youtube]

[Dr Spaceman]

L-TRAIN, FROM DEEP, DEEP, DEEP IN THE Q!

You're up

[Dr Spaceman]

Yeah, you need a good defensive guard next to Magic for sure

Wasn't that so much as Moncrief in my mind represented a pretty specific identity for my team, and thus a vision for how to fill in the rest of the roster. So having Moncrief taken meant I had to pivot a little bit and plan not just this pick but also the type of guys I'd want after that.. And that leads to specific guys and the strategy in terms of how to work the draft board and who to target.

That said, I Love Wallace and I love his fit with my core, so I'm definitely not any worse off for how things turned out. Cheers

[MisterHibachi]

Omg not Sheed. Man he would've been perfect for me. Why did Moncrief get draftedddddd

[E-Balla]

Moncrief and Sheed? Those were gonna be my next two. Aaaaggghhhh

[Clyde Frazier]

Moncrief and Sheed? Those were gonna be my next two. Aaaaggghhhh

This is basically the theme of this project lol... the least fun part for sure

[AustinCarr61]

With the 41st Pick in the All Time Fantasy Draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers select:



Dwyane Wade, 2005-2006, 18.8 FGA/G
FMVP, All-NBA Second Team, All Star, NBA Champion
RS: 27.2 PTS on 57.7 TS%, 5.7 TRB, 6.7 AST, 1.9 STL, 0.8 BLK, 115 ORTG, 103 DRTG, 27.6 PER, .239 WS/48, +7.5 BPM
PS: 28.4 PTS on 59.3 TS%, 5.9 TRB, 5.7 AST, 2.2 STL, 1.1 BLK, 115 ORTG, 100 DRTG, 28.4 PER, .240 WS/48, +8.9 BPM

Another very strong playoff performer, to offset the RS wonder that was my second pick. The clear cut best player on a title team - averaged 35/8/4/3/1 in the finals. Gives a perimeter/post punch paired with Duncan, and good leadership ability. His slash and kick ability was fairly refined as this point, and while he lacks some PG skills in terms of controlling tempo or seeing the floor, he generates open looks off his own penetration and makes good (simple) reads as a distributor, and his cutting game gives him some off-ball utility despite the lack of 3 point shooting. He was a clear plus defensively in this year (scaled DRAPM of 2.01) and was fairly low turnover given the usage. The spacing might be tricky so he'll need the right players around him, but the athleticism and slashing ability shines very bright here.