bigboi wrote:TheGOATRises007 wrote:I would be stunned if the Celtics win the title
They’re winnning in 5 games
Vs the Pacers? I agree.
Vs the Wolves in all likelihood? There is no shot the Celtics are beating that team in 5 games.
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bigboi wrote:TheGOATRises007 wrote:I would be stunned if the Celtics win the title
They’re winnning in 5 games
TheGOATRises007 wrote:bigboi wrote:TheGOATRises007 wrote:I would be stunned if the Celtics win the title
They’re winnning in 5 games
Vs the Pacers? I agree.
Vs the Wolves in all likelihood? There is no shot the Celtics are beating that team in 5 games.
The-Power wrote:TheGOATRises007 wrote:bigboi wrote:
They’re winnning in 5 games
Vs the Pacers? I agree.
Vs the Wolves in all likelihood? There is no shot the Celtics are beating that team in 5 games.
Would you be stunned if they beat them in 6 or 7, though?
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E-Balla wrote:LeBron is Jeff George.
G35 wrote:Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.
AEnigma wrote:This win made me believe in the Celtics more. First time we have seen this Jrue — all-star / borderline all-NBA Jrue — since last season. Bad opposing defence, sure, but if he is still capable of games like this, then it really is difficult to imagine any team adequately disrupting the Celtics’ offence four times in a series (and for as much as I like their offence, I do not think the Pacers can outgun the Celtics four times in six games).
Still, it is always frustrating when the heavy favourite sees every break go their way at the end of a game they probably should have lost.
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E-Balla wrote:LeBron is Jeff George.
G35 wrote:Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.
AEnigma wrote:This win made me believe in the Celtics more. First time we have seen this Jrue — all-star / borderline all-NBA Jrue — since last season. Bad opposing defence, sure, but if he is still capable of games like this, then it really is difficult to imagine any team adequately disrupting the Celtics’ offence four times in a series (and for as much as I like their offence, I do not think the Pacers can outgun the Celtics four times in six games).
Still, it is always frustrating when the heavy favourite sees every break go their way at the end of a game they probably should have lost.
AEnigma wrote:This win made me believe in the Celtics more. First time we have seen this Jrue — all-star / borderline all-NBA Jrue — since last season. Bad opposing defence, sure, but if he is still capable of games like this, then it really is difficult to imagine any team adequately disrupting the Celtics’ offence four times in a series (and for as much as I like their offence, I do not think the Pacers can outgun the Celtics four times in six games).
Still, it is always frustrating when the heavy favourite sees every break go their way at the end of a game they probably should have lost.
its my last message in this thread, but I just admit, that all the people, casual and analytical minds, more or less have consencus who has the weight of a rubberized duck. And its not JaivLLLL
OhayoKD wrote:At this point, Mavs would probably have been my title pick given health(Luka the biggest factor, though klieber would have helped as well)
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E-Balla wrote:LeBron is Jeff George.
G35 wrote:Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.
Mogspan wrote:I think they see the super rare combo of high IQ with freakish athleticism and overrate the former a bit, kind of like a hot girl who is rather articulate being thought of as “super smart.” I don’t know kind of a weird analogy, but you catch my drift.
falcolombardi wrote:Is only 1 game so far but the crowning some people made for jokic as the best offensive player by far is gonna look very questionable if dallas outperforms them
Jokic was talked as a offense GOAT, the next generation of offense, fundamentally the most unstoppable player and offensive engine ever by how many people talked
But he only managed 3 good offensive games against the wolves (and in 1 of those games he was shut down the first half and cooked his stats only after his co star brought them up 23)
Luka who who sometimes has been accused of fundamentally not being able to lead a great offense because of his ball dominance despite leading multiple elite offense runs, with his best team offense years being better than jokic best ones
Special_Puppy wrote:falcolombardi wrote:Is only 1 game so far but the crowning some people made for jokic as the best offensive player by far is gonna look very questionable if dallas outperforms them
Jokic was talked as a offense GOAT, the next generation of offense, fundamentally the most unstoppable player and offensive engine ever by how many people talked
But he only managed 3 good offensive games against the wolves (and in 1 of those games he was shut down the first half and cooked his stats only after his co star brought them up 23)
Luka who who sometimes has been accused of fundamentally not being able to lead a great offense because of his ball dominance despite leading multiple elite offense runs, with his best team offense years being better than jokic best ones
It depends. If Dallas outperforms Denver because Luka did better than Jokic than its a totally reasonable. If Dallas outperforms Denver because Luka's supporting cast did better than Jokic's and because Ant just had a materially worse series overall because of injury then its a not so reasonable claim.
falcolombardi wrote:I am getting flashbacks to when people would blame the lebron system on why his team was bad when he was on the bench which is a logic that nobody ever has applied to other players with their own systems around them
(Forever bitterly pointing that out and the "limited ceiling in spite of better team offenses than the guys he is theorically less of a ceiling raiser thsn" bit)
Now back to jokic. Denver is an engine built to be optimized and brought together by Jokic, so if we apply the reasoning that a lot of this board has used to criticize other players portability or ceiling raising he would be responsible for his teammates being dependant on him when he sits. Of course that would be stupid but i wanted to point it out
The idea that Jokic as an engine cannot conceivably have ubderperformed because his team was bad without him doesnt hold to scrutiny because they were not exactly setting the world on fire with jokic there
Jokic for all of his genius and brilliant skillset struggled with bruteforcing shot creation (imo due to the inherent weak point of not being a ball handler) as he created minuscule advantages and the clock was constantly reset, while being doubled and passing back and forcing the D to scramble to recovet is -good- it is not -great- as creating a opem 3 off a drive is
denver team was built to optimize a post offense with their spscing and lob threat/cutter, unfortunately whether it’s the limits to Jokic’s post offense or post offense in general, it failed to produce trong offense results.
Jokic had a good offensive rating in 3 of 7 games, one of which he only performed at all in the second half after jamal brought denver up 23
This is not to say it was a bad series, but i think it showed that despite his skill/vision jokic offense is not some unstopabble or perfect dynamo