All-Season Player of the Year Discussion thread

HeartBreakKid · Post #361 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Mon May 11, 2015 2:13 am

Curry, Davis and CP3 are firmly in my top 3, they are battling for position.

James is comfortably at 4.

5 and 6 is a battle between Griffin and Leonard, and Griffin is winning.

Harden and Westbrook don't have a chance at cracking my top 5 ATM.

sp6r=underrated · Post #362 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Mon May 11, 2015 2:52 am

Popovich was making a mistake going with hack a DJ and McHale is following. The extreme hack strategy puts your team in massive foul trouble. It also allows the Clippers to get rest without sitting on the bench. The Clippers play a very exhausting style of play with little bench. Giving their players rest let's them get away with it. The hack a DJ strategy also forces you to play exclusively half court offense which will lower your own efficiency.

Post #363 » by **bondom34** » Mon May 11, 2015 3:43 am

I'm at:
Curry
Paul
Harden
Lebron
Westbrook
Davis

My top 5 is set pretty firmly, I care about RS a decent amount still, but Harden is fading and could fall to 4. Paul and Curry could flip too.

Krodis · Post #364 » by **Krodis** » Mon May 11, 2015 3:50 am

The second round hasn't really been favorable for anyone involved in the discussion, has it? Curry and LeBron are shooting awful percentages, Harden hasn't really put his impact on games besides Game 2, and Paul has missed two games and has been minutes limited for two more.

GSP · Post #365 » by **GSP** » Mon May 11, 2015 3:57 am

Cp3
Davis
Steph
is my set top 3

not sure about 4 and 5 but its Westbrook and Lebron for sure, but dunno about the order. I think Russ is definitely the better offensive player but ive been really impressed with Lebrons defense.....

Harden
Blake
Cousins

maybe Marc and Kawhi to round out top 10. And yes i dont consider Harden top 5 and this was before playoffs. Hes just the epitome of a gimmick offensive player with horrible defense. His numbers look different from last season but i dont see a different player aside from better effort on D

MO12msu · Post #366 » by **MO12msu** » Mon May 11, 2015 4:16 am

Rolling with:
1. Curry
2A. Harden
2B. Paul
4. Davis
5. Lebron

Don't think I'm letting anyone else in the top 5, but the order is definitely not set yet.

RSCD3_ · Post #367 » by **RSCD3_** » Mon May 11, 2015 4:50 am

Curry
Paul
Davis
Griffin/LeBron/Harden

Ballerhogger · Post #368 » by **Ballerhogger** » Mon May 11, 2015 5:41 am

Harden so far in the 2nd round as been terrible .

GSP · Post #369 » by **GSP** » Mon May 11, 2015 5:55 am

Ballerhogger wrote:Harden so far in the 2nd round as been terrible .

So has Curry

Ballerhogger · Post #370 » by **Ballerhogger** » Mon May 11, 2015 5:59 am

GSP wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:Harden so far in the 2nd round as been terrible .

So has Curry

didnt curry have decent game 1?

HeartBreakKid · Post #371 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Mon May 11, 2015 6:00 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
GSP wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:Harden so far in the 2nd round as been terrible .

So has Curry

didnt curry have decent game 1?

He did. He hasn't really been bad in the playoffs. He's had a few stinkers, but so has guys like Chris Paul.

Ballerhogger · Post #372 » by **Ballerhogger** » Mon May 11, 2015 6:05 am

Blake griffin has been pretty great this post season. Im kinda amazed by it. So far hes been the best player in playoffs. Shocking..

Post #373 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon May 11, 2015 2:02 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:Popovich was making a mistake going with hack a DJ and McHale is following. The extreme hack strategy puts your team in massive foul trouble. It also allows the Clippers to get rest without sitting on the bench. The Clippers play a very exhausting style of play with little bench. Giving their players rest let's them get away with it. The hack a DJ strategy also forces you to play exclusively half court offense which will lower your own efficiency.

It's tough to say really.

Yeah the Clippers got to rest...but so did the Spurs, and the Spurs are old are super-old (Duncan looked great with all those stoppages) and were injured. Not only do the Spurs probably win with the tactic if Parker is healthy, but the tactic theoretically could have helped Parker be more like himself.

Regardless, I think rules need to be put in to stop this abuse of the rules. I don't blame Pop for his approach, but no one wants to watch that, and things can be made better very easily (obvious off-ball foul? Technical free throw, possession resumes with full shot clock.)

RSCD3_ · Post #374 » by **RSCD3_** » Mon May 11, 2015 3:13 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:Popovich was making a mistake going with hack a DJ and McHale is following. The extreme hack strategy puts your team in massive foul trouble. It also allows the Clippers to get rest without sitting on the bench. The Clippers play a very exhausting style of play with little bench. Giving their players rest let's them get away with it. The hack a DJ strategy also forces you to play exclusively half court offense which will lower your own efficiency.

It's tough to say really.

Yeah the Clippers got to rest...but so did the Spurs, and the Spurs are old are super-old (Duncan looked great with all those stoppages) and were injured. Not only do the Spurs probably win with the tactic if Parker is healthy, but the tactic theoretically could have helped Parker be more like himself.

Regardless, I think rules need to be put in to stop this abuse of the rules. I don't blame Pop for his approach, but no one wants to watch that, and things can be made better very easily (obvious off-ball foul? Technical free throw, possession resumes with full shot clock.)

Doc how do you feel about lebron's major efficiency and minor turnover issues and how offset they are by his defense and rebounding increasing

In the LeBron thread people are calling this a very good series and I don't know if I could go that far with him shooting 48.3 TS% and putting up a 98 ORTG.

Also how does his playoff performance compare to that of James Harden, with his efficiency issues is he still having more of an impact than The Beard ?

E-Balla · Post #375 » by **E-Balla** » Mon May 11, 2015 3:30 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:Popovich was making a mistake going with hack a DJ and McHale is following. The extreme hack strategy puts your team in massive foul trouble. It also allows the Clippers to get rest without sitting on the bench. The Clippers play a very exhausting style of play with little bench. Giving their players rest let's them get away with it. The hack a DJ strategy also forces you to play exclusively half court offense which will lower your own efficiency.

It's tough to say really.

Yeah the Clippers got to rest...but so did the Spurs, and the Spurs are old are super-old (Duncan looked great with all those stoppages) and were injured. Not only do the Spurs probably win with the tactic if Parker is healthy, but the tactic theoretically could have helped Parker be more like himself.

Regardless, I think rules need to be put in to stop this abuse of the rules. I don't blame Pop for his approach, but no one wants to watch that, and things can be made better very easily (obvious off-ball foul? Technical free throw, possession resumes with full shot clock.)

Doc how do you feel about lebron's major efficiency and minor turnover issues and how offset they are by his defense and rebounding increasing

In the LeBron thread people are calling this a very good series and I don't know if I could go that far with him shooting 44.3 TS% and putting up a 93 ORTG.

Also how does his playoff performance compare to that of James Harden, with his efficiency issues is he still having more of an impact than The Beard ?

FIFY.

CBA · Post #376 » by **CBA** » Mon May 11, 2015 3:52 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:Harden so far in the 2nd round as been terrible .

I'm confused.

Are people only comparing players based on games lost (Paul lost 1, Lebron and Curry 2, Harden 3!)? No one in the consensus top 5 has actually individually played better than Harden in the semifinals. Obviously, Davis is out and Paul is injured. Lebron has had major shooting woes while Curry has been flat out poor on both ends.

Post #377 » by **bondom34** » Mon May 11, 2015 4:38 pm

Paul, though limited in minutes, has played pretty well IMO. Curry, Lebron, and Harden have all been subpar. Harden looks better on paper but in all honesty his team is being demolished and he's putting up some of his numbers when they're well out of the game. Lebron isn't playing well, nor is Curry, but at the least Curry is going up against the Grizzlies defense. Harden is playing the Clippers who weren't a good defensive team, and to boot he's being lit up by any opposing SG out there. If I'm rating disappointment level its Harden, then Curry, then Lebron, then Paul.

Krodis · Post #378 » by **Krodis** » Mon May 11, 2015 4:56 pm

His team is getting demolished but he's playing against a 6.8 SRS team (about the same as your average NBA champion, and that's with Blake missing 15 games and not being fully effective in the regular season) without two starters. There's no way the Cavs do any better against the Clippers. Especially not if Irving is a corpse and LeBron is shooting sub-50% TS%.

The Rockets are just over-matched. Could Harden be playing better? Absolutely. Is it his fault the team is getting run off the court? No way. The Clippers are focusing their defense on him and the Rockets' role players are crapping the bed offensively. And the front court plus Terry/Prigioni is being eaten completely alive on the other end of the floor.

Post #379 » by **PaulieWal** » Mon May 11, 2015 4:58 pm

bondom34 wrote:Paul, though limited in minutes, has played pretty well IMO. Curry, Lebron, and Harden have all been subpar. Harden looks better on paper but in all honesty his team is being demolished and he's putting up some of his numbers when they're well out of the game. Lebron isn't playing well, nor is Curry, but at the least Curry is going up against the Grizzlies defense. Harden is playing the Clippers who weren't a good defensive team, and to boot he's being lit up by any opposing SG out there. If I'm rating disappointment level its Harden, then Curry, then Lebron, then Paul.

One thing I will say is that LeBron's defense has been surprisingly pretty good in this series but his shooting has been so horrendous that it is bringing down his overall level of play.

Post #380 » by **bondom34** » Mon May 11, 2015 5:09 pm

Krodis wrote:His team is getting demolished but he's playing against a 6.8 SRS team (about the same as your average NBA champion, and that's with Blake missing 15 games and not being fully effective in the regular season) without two starters. There's no way the Cavs do any better against the Clippers. Especially not if Irving is a corpse and LeBron is shooting sub-50% TS%.

The Rockets are just over-matched. Could Harden be playing better? Absolutely. Is it his fault the team is getting run off the court? No way. The Clippers are focusing their defense on him and the Rockets' role players are crapping the bed offensively. And the front court plus Terry/Prigioni is being eaten completely alive on the other end of the floor.

I'd agree that they're mismatched, but it doesn't mean Harden is playing well either. Just looked up his stats, and through 3 quarters he's averaging 17/8/3 with 5 TOs. In the 4th he's putting up an extra 7.5/1/2 and only .5 TOs, but the game is out of hand and it makes his stat lines look nicer. He's been bad on defense, and his storyline the whole year was as a guy who carried a poor supporting cast to the 2nd seed. He's not doing that anymore, and its the only reason he's being discussed as top 5.