A.Randolph vs M.Beasley

NDaATL · Post #361 » by **NDaATL** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:49 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:That's more like it, now find me a smaller PF with a small wing span or a smaller standing reach... oh yeah, you cant.

Hall of famers Charles Barkley and Karl Malone qualify for this standard, and easily surpass it.

Post #362 » by **BBallFreak** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:50 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:They measure people before the draft. Beasley was 6'7 without shoes and 6'8.25 with. He also has a standing reach which I'm pretty sure is smaller than just about any starting PF in the NBA... I'm yet to be proven worng.

Prove to me that Randolph weighs 210 pounds.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #363 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:53 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
Ever watch Keon Clark? But what would a Golden State fan know about defense, anyways?

no, I never did see Keon Clark go against Anthony Randolph.

6'9" is not short.

No, it's not. But 6'7 without shoes is and the smallest standing reach amongst starting PF also is.

GswStorm3 · Post #364 » by **GswStorm3** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:53 pm

NDaATL wrote:
some_rand wrote:[he bench pressed 7 times at the combine which is good for someone that lanky. Comments like this make me question how many games people have actually seen randolgh play. and most rookie bigs are foul prone.

Bosh was lanky also. He benched more, was taller, and weighed 30 pounds more yet he STILL gets pushed around defensively in the post quite often. It is safe to say Bosh has gotten heavier and stronger in the past 6 years and he still gets pushed around. It's still one of his biggest criticisms. Randolph isn't nearly that strong or heavy.

The problems will begin to reveal themselves when he begins playing big minutes in non garbage time. As of now he's just a rookie and everyone is wowed over his skillset and potential. Trust me that will fade unless he drastically improves his weight and strength, which is a long and tough process for a lanky basketball player.

There are no successful PFs in the NBA that are under 230, and it's extremely rare that they are under 240. There's a reason for that.

If he's already put on 13 pounds at only 19 years old, are you simply ignoring what his body will look like when's he's 22. Why people are making a huge deal on why a teenager hasn't filled out right now is kind of funny to me.

NDaATL · Post #365 » by **NDaATL** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:54 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Brand 9'2, Durant 9'2, Aldridge 9'2, Okafor 9'2.5, Bosh 9'1, Stoudemire 9'0.5, Jefferson 9'2, West 9'0.5, Boozer 9'0.5

Help me out, I have been looking for a starting PF that has a smaller standing reach but I can't find one.

Current players include Josh Smith, Al Horford, David Lee, Paul Milsap, and Ben Wallace (in his prime) are all current examples of very effective players that would start at PF for most teams.

canefandynasty · Post #366 » by **canefandynasty** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:55 pm

Haslem has a 8' 10.5" wingspan and he did a pretty good job on Nowitzki in the Finals. That's one example.

GswStorm3 · Post #367 » by **GswStorm3** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:56 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:They measure people before the draft. Beasley was 6'7 without shoes and 6'8.25 with. He also has a standing reach which I'm pretty sure is smaller than just about any starting PF in the NBA... I'm yet to be proven worng.

Prove to me that Randolph weighs 210 pounds.

Go to look at Warriors roster on the homepage. Unless you have reason to believe Randolph can't gain a little over ten pounds almost a year later.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #368 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:56 pm

NDaATL wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:That's more like it, now find me a smaller PF with a small wing span or a smaller standing reach... oh yeah, you cant.

Hall of famers Charles Barkley and Karl Malone qualify for this standard, and easily surpass it.

Malone was 6'8 without shoes, had a 7'2 standing reach and was the hardest worker the NBA has ever seen.

Charles Barkley did have a standing reach of 7'9.5 though... That's one and he doesn't even play in the NBA anymore.

some_rand · Post #369 » by **some_rand** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:57 pm

NDaATL wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Brand 9'2, Durant 9'2, Aldridge 9'2, Okafor 9'2.5, Bosh 9'1, Stoudemire 9'0.5, Jefferson 9'2, West 9'0.5, Boozer 9'0.5

Help me out, I have been looking for a starting PF that has a smaller standing reach but I can't find one.

Current players include Josh Smith, Al Horford, David Lee, Paul Milsap, and Ben Wallace (in his prime) are all current examples of very effective players that would start at PF for most teams.

so 5 players out of the entire NBA and they're all second tier forwards

canefandynasty · Post #370 » by **canefandynasty** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:00 pm

Horford has a shorter reach than Beasley, and he defend the post pretty well. Noah is another one.

Wade2k6 · Post #371 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:01 pm

some_rand wrote:
NDaATL wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Brand 9'2, Durant 9'2, Aldridge 9'2, Okafor 9'2.5, Bosh 9'1, Stoudemire 9'0.5, Jefferson 9'2, West 9'0.5, Boozer 9'0.5

Help me out, I have been looking for a starting PF that has a smaller standing reach but I can't find one.

Current players include Josh Smith, Al Horford, David Lee, Paul Milsap, and Ben Wallace (in his prime) are all current examples of very effective players that would start at PF for most teams.

so 5 players out of the entire NBA and they're all second tier forwards

You (or another GS fan) asked him to name players that have effectively played the PF/C position at as "undersized" and he named some. Beasley also has more skills then every player he mentioned so there's no reason to believe why he can't be a first tier PF, considering those players can be 2nd tier PF/Cs.

NDaATL · Post #372 » by **NDaATL** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:02 pm

some_rand wrote:
NDaATL wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Brand 9'2, Durant 9'2, Aldridge 9'2, Okafor 9'2.5, Bosh 9'1, Stoudemire 9'0.5, Jefferson 9'2, West 9'0.5, Boozer 9'0.5

Help me out, I have been looking for a starting PF that has a smaller standing reach but I can't find one.

Current players include Josh Smith, Al Horford, David Lee, Paul Milsap, and Ben Wallace (in his prime) are all current examples of very effective players that would start at PF for most teams.

so 5 players out of the entire NBA and they're all second tier forwards

Wallace is a 4 time DPOY and an all-star, not exactly slow company.

Lee and Milsap are still young and putting up 15+ and 10. Smith and Horford are nowhere near finished products.

I guess Charles Barkley doesn't qualify?

EDIT: I stand corrected on Malone, didn't realize his reach was that high.

I wouldn't exactly say you made a good point here.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #373 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:02 pm

some_rand wrote:
NDaATL wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Brand 9'2, Durant 9'2, Aldridge 9'2, Okafor 9'2.5, Bosh 9'1, Stoudemire 9'0.5, Jefferson 9'2, West 9'0.5, Boozer 9'0.5

Help me out, I have been looking for a starting PF that has a smaller standing reach but I can't find one.

Current players include Josh Smith, Al Horford, David Lee, Paul Milsap, and Ben Wallace (in his prime) are all current examples of very effective players that would start at PF for most teams.

so 5 players out of the entire NBA and they're all second tier forwards

Once again, all second tier forwards.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #374 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:04 pm

Malone and Barkley were great a long time ago and Malone was not only an inch taller but had a standing reach of 4 inches taller.

Also, I watch 40+ Jazz games a year and players have no problem shooting over Milsap.

canefandynasty · Post #375 » by **canefandynasty** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:06 pm

some_rand wrote:
NDaATL wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Brand 9'2, Durant 9'2, Aldridge 9'2, Okafor 9'2.5, Bosh 9'1, Stoudemire 9'0.5, Jefferson 9'2, West 9'0.5, Boozer 9'0.5

Help me out, I have been looking for a starting PF that has a smaller standing reach but I can't find one.

Current players include Josh Smith, Al Horford, David Lee, Paul Milsap, and Ben Wallace (in his prime) are all current examples of very effective players that would start at PF for most teams.

so 5 players out of the entire NBA and they're all second tier forwards

Can you give us 1 starting PF that weighs 197 lbs. Oh, and don't use the "put on weight" arguement b/c I can easily say the same about Beasleys reach. He can still be growing. He was born in '89 like Randolph.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #376 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:06 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:You (or another GS fan) asked him to name players that have effectively played the PF/C position at as "undersized" and he named some. Beasley also has more skills then every player he mentioned so there's no reason to believe why he can't be a first tier PF, considering those players can be 2nd tier PF/Cs.

Yeah, a first tier that gets his inside shots blocked and shot over.

Wade2k6 · Post #377 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:08 pm

LOL So GS fans say to name undersized PF/Cs that have produced at highs levels and other fans name some, then all they have to say is "They're second tier forwards." Well, guess what, Charles Barkley is not a 2nd tier PF. He has proved that you don't need to be 6'10 to be a effective PF. And 2nd, Beasley is more skilled then any of those 6-7 players that were mentioned. It's absouletly ridiculous to say Beasley can't excell at the PF position b/c of his height considering 1) players have already shown that you don't have to be a "normal" sized player to be a good/great player and 2) Beasley has shown that his height isn't as issue, so I'm not really sure why this is even being argued.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #378 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:08 pm

canefandynasty wrote:
Can you give us 1 starting PF that weighs 197 lbs. Oh, and don't use the "put on weight" arguement b/c I can easily say the same about Beasleys reach. He can still be growing. He was born in '89 like Randolph.

If you look at him from the begining of the year and now he's bigger, 210+

You sit there and hope Beasley grows and I will hope Randolph puts on weight.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #379 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:09 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:LOL So GS fans say to name undersized PF/Cs that have produced at highs levels and other fans name some, then all they have to say is "They're second tier forwards." Well, guess what, Charles Barkley is not a 2nd tier PF. He has proved that you don't need to be 6'10 to be a effective PF. And 2nd, Beasley is more skilled then any of those 6-7 players that were mentioned. It's absouletly ridiculous to say Beasley can't excell at the PF position b/c of his height considering 1) players have already shown that you don't have to be a "normal" sized player to be a good/great player and 2) Beasley has shown that his height isn't as issue, so I'm not really sure why this is even being argued.

He will be great, but he will get shot over and he will have trouble getting his shot blocked in the post.

Never said he sucked or was a second tier player, he's a tweener.

GswStorm3 · Post #380 » by **GswStorm3** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:11 pm

canefandynasty wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
Wade2k6 wrote:Ya know what, you're right, now Beasley is too small to play PF??

That's more like it, now find me a smaller PF with a small wing span or a smaller standing reach... oh yeah, you cant. To bad he has no fire to make up for that lack of size.

The average PF in the NBA has a 8' 10.5" standing.

Like I said, Beasley has the length to play PF at a high level.

Randolph isn't even 200 lbs. That probably explains why he can't defend the 4 in a halfcourt setting. His defense is basically weakeide blocks.

Oh the irony because Beasley's defense still has a long ways to go in the half court. Don't even bring up one off shooting night from David West.