PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics]

Odinn21 · Post #381 » by **Odinn21** » Wed Apr 1, 2020 6:48 am

I've been watching videos like Kareem: Minority of One, videos about Bill Russell's life.
Russell's lifetime achievement award presentation was one of 'em. Then watched Bird's and Magic's life achievement award presentation and I remembered Russell got the 1st one, Oscar Robertson got the 2nd award. Then they passed on Kareem and gave the award to Bird and Magic. I felt that Kareem's pretty disrespected by the NBA in this regard. He should've gotten one of those awards by now, and he certainly should've gotten one before Bird and Magic, considering the NBA was following the timeline.
Am I the only one feeling this way?..

ardee · Post #382 » by **ardee** » Wed Apr 1, 2020 8:03 pm

Boomers are really something in terms of basketball analysis. I know one who insists George Gervin is the greatest Spur of all time over Duncan.

Post #383 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Apr 2, 2020 2:58 pm

Lame to dismiss people because of their age. Especially by citing one example and using it to generalize.

Colbinii · Post #384 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Apr 2, 2020 9:59 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Lame to dismiss people because of their age. Especially by citing one example and using it to generalize.

You are talking about someone who thinks Democrats are inherently evil. I think Ardee dismisses people by any chance he can get, whether it be age, political views or gender. I haven't seen him post about race yet so I won't use racist to describe him but him saying boomer is just the tip of the iceberg for his generalization of people.

limbo · Post #385 » by **limbo** » Thu Apr 2, 2020 10:15 pm

Colbinii wrote:You are talking about someone who thinks Democrats are inherently evil. I think Ardee dismisses people by any chance he can get, whether it be age, political views or gender. I haven't seen him post about race yet so I won't use racist to describe him but him saying boomer is just the tip of the iceberg for his generalization of people.

What's wrong with the word Boomer? I mean, i get that it's used as a generalization/stereotype for a generation of people, but i don't see anything wrong with using the word if there's validity/truth behind it. Not saying that's the case with what ardee said, but in general.

Unless you think there's absolutely no difference in how different generations of people are taught to perceive and go about the World on average?

Colbinii · Post #386 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Apr 2, 2020 10:20 pm

limbo wrote:
What's wrong with the word Boomer?

Nothing.

There is something wrong with using the term Boomers and lumping them all together, which is what Ardee did.

The black guy across the street from where I live was arrested for domestic abuse about one month ago.

Is it okay for me to say Blacks are really something in terms of how they treat their spouse. I know one who beats his wife.

I mean, i get that it's used as a generalization/stereotype for a generation of people, but i don't see anything wrong with using the word if there's validity/truth behind it. Not saying that's the case with what ardee said, but in general.

Again, the difference is Ardee is saying Boomers and then citing one example with one individual.

Unless you think there's absolutely no difference in how different generations of people are taught to perceive and go about the World on average?

No, why would you think that? This statement is irrelevant.

Post #387 » by **bondom34** » Thu Apr 2, 2020 10:24 pm

I didn't even know calling people "boomers" as a dismissive/insulting word was still a thing people did, thought that was over with.

limbo · Post #388 » by **limbo** » Thu Apr 2, 2020 11:26 pm

Colbinii wrote:Nothing.

There is something wrong with using the term Boomers and lumping them all together, which is what Ardee did.

The black guy across the street from where I live was arrested for domestic abuse about one month ago.

Is it okay for me to say Blacks are really something in terms of how they treat their spouse. I know one who beats his wife.

I don't think he LITERALLY meant every single one of the Boomers thinks the same way. He just made a generalization (probably based on some evidence, albeit anecdotal), and while the example he provided might not have necessarily been a valid one (if one Boomer thinks Gervin is a better basketball player than Duncan, that doesn't really tells us anything), i do believe there's some merit in what he said in regards to different generations likely having different abilities to analyze basketball (and different biases), just on the basis of how they viewed/understood the game (which was different to what it is now) and the tools they had available, which didn't allow them to make more educated claims as the generations that came after could with more data and historical context, replayability of games etc.

Whether what he said was 'okay' or not isn't for me to decided. I am no moral arbiter, and morality is inherently subjective to a myriad of factors. But if we take the question of 'morality' out of the equation, i do understand why human beings have a natural proclivity in making generalizations... as it historically served us in being a useful survival tool.

I don't think your example is good either. But this topic is really a slippery slope that doesn't really lead to any glory at the end, and i believe you and i both have better things to spend our time on.

Colbinii · Post #389 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Apr 2, 2020 11:36 pm

limbo wrote:I don't think he LITERALLY meant every single one of the Boomers thinks the same way. He just made a generalization (probably based on some evidence, albeit anecdotal),

Well that is what he LITERALLY said.

and while the example he provided might not have necessarily been a valid one (if one Boomer thinks Gervin is a better basketball player than Duncan, that doesn't really tells us anything), i do believe there's some merit in what he said in regards to different generations likely having different abilities to analyze basketball (and different biases), just on the basis of how they viewed/understood the game (which was different to what it is now) and the tools they had available, which didn't allow them to make more educated claims as the generations that came after could with more data and historical context, replayability of games etc.

I do not agree with this at all. People like Doc MJ, Texas Chuck and others whom are older have grasped on to new concepts quickly. The issue is, and always will be, people get stuck in their ways.

But, again, going back to Ardee's post, he doesn't expand on any of this. He makes a generalization of all Boomers and lumps them all in to being inferior at analyzing basketball. Fortunately for us we can access Ardee's posting history and we can see patterns of his action applied to other groups of people.

Whether what he said was 'okay' or not isn't for me to decided. I am no moral arbiter, and morality is inherently subjective to a myriad of factors. But if we take the question of 'morality' out of the equation, i do understand why human beings have a natural proclivity in making generalizations... as it historically served us in being a useful survival tool.

It can be useful but in today's day and age we should be able to know that generalizing a group of people as having the same ideologies or view points isn't healthy or factual.

As for what he said being okay or not, that depends on your own morals and ethical code. I don't agree we should be grouping people into categories based on one experience.

I don't think your example is good either. But this topic is really a slippery slope that doesn't really lead to any glory at the end, and i believe you and i both have better things to spend our time on.

I think my example is exactly like Ardee's. How is mine any different? I am taking a sub-group of people, taking a single experience I had, and projecting it onto the entire scope of that sub-group.

We are locked inside for Months because of Covid-19. This is a great time to talk about slippery slopes of where this discussion could go.

What do you mean lead to glory? I am on a forum where I want to discuss, share thoughts/ideas and learn things.

Post #390 » by **penbeast0** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 11:56 am

Gotta love the Onion:

https://sports.theonion.com/kawhi-leonard-misses-second-consecutive-family-game-nig-1842531002

ardee · Post #391 » by **ardee** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 2:09 pm

Good grief. Whenever I think that I bring politics into everything (which sometimes I am admittedly guilty of) I'll come back to this to assure myself I could be a lot worse about it.

All I'm going to say is you guys should look at how people on your own side like to talk about baby boomers. Especially those that voted for Biden over Bernie, and even moreso those that voted for Trump. Go back in the Current Affairs board and read some of the comments from the Kavanaugh confirmation for example.

You guys must be really bored during this quarantine to start this up based on a throwaway comment with no political connotations whatsoever, and I will not be engaging in it any further.

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Post #392 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 3:34 pm

ardee wrote:
You guys must be really bored during this quarantine to start this up based on a throwaway comment with no political connotations whatsoever, and I will not be engaging in it any further.

I appreciate you taking the lead in this matter. And I apologize for starting this whole thing. It's just this is an major issue in this country trying to divide everyone into groups that we can attack and hate and it really bothers me. I look at my parents and see how they used to do it with race(and more) and my generation (I'm in my mid 40's for context) did it with sexual orientation (and more) and I see my teenage children and am so happy that for none of them do they have those same issues. But their struggle is with age. They definitely stick huge diverse groups of people into one category based on nothing more than their year of birth and vilify certain groups.

This is a world of individuals and until we all get back to treating each other as such the worse these needless divides become and the more we fail to address real problems that pretty everyone can agree on because we've politicized it and made it all about whataboutisms and winning and us vs them.

That sucks and isn't the world I want to live in. But I get that most people seem to. I realize I'm spitting into the wind here. But I also feel like if people like me don't speak up then I deserve the world I get.

Anyway my apologies to all for starting us down this derailment and I applaud ardee for his commitment to stop generalizing and stop needlessly politicizing and making it us vs them.

After all we have the Mike fans vs Lebron fans vs Kobe fans to divide us already.

Or for me personally the KG fans vs the Dirk fans. And we know those KG guys are all mouth-breathing, spreadsheet crunching cretins who've never watched a basketball game in their life.

Dr Positivity · Post #393 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:04 pm

Read on Twitter

GSP · Post #394 » by **GSP** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 11:59 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:

Read on Twitter

Would love to hear what kind of moronic drivel Dana is gonna spew. He is long overdue for a firing. Just a complete moron and horrible promoter completely carried by the Fertittas and Ronda/Conor

limbo · Post #395 » by **limbo** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 12:50 am

GSP wrote:Would love to hear what kind of moronic drivel Dana is gonna spew. He is long overdue for a firing. Just a complete moron and horrible promoter completely carried by the Fertittas and Ronda/Conor

Dana > David Stern

Post #396 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 6:32 pm

One can not like David Stern, but it's pretty impossible to dispute that his tenure was a huge success for this league we love.

limbo · Post #397 » by **limbo** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 7:47 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:One can not like David Stern, but it's pretty impossible to dispute that his tenure was a huge success for this league we love.

Dana White took over the UFC in 2001, which was sold for a total of $2 Million dollars at the time, and turned it into a multi-Billion dollar organization in 15-20 years...

No one cared about MMA before Dana White took over. It was just a bunch of dudes in funny underwear taking steroids. Basically every other fighting event was more popular, including fake WWE wrestling...

Now? It's arguably among the 15 most popular Sports worldwide and on a trajectory to surpass boxing as the most popular fighting sport int he World.

BOXING, bruv.. WHICH STARTED IN THE EARLY 1900s... and has built up a legendary reputation and prestige over the decades... being so heavily featured in pop culture... about to be surpassed by another fighting sport that was still a joke just 15 years ago.

And people can cry about ''BUT bUT MUHGREGORRR CARRIED HIM''

Wow... Sports needing superstars to grow in success? SHOCKING. I'm sure no other sports has rode the popularity of its superstars before UFC started promoting McGregor... And certainly not Stern, who wasn't at all marketing Michael Jordan like he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ...

Dana White > David Stern

White took over a joke that was worth less than Darius Bazely's salary and nearly bankrupt and turned it into billions in less than two decades.

Post #398 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 9:03 pm

odd rebuttal but okay I guess. Sometimes its fun to just argue against the wind.

limbo · Post #399 » by **limbo** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 9:09 pm

Yeah, i said nothing about not liking Stern or his tenure being a failure. I just found it funny that GSP said Dana is a horrible promoter, complete moron and overdue for a firing when he basically took UFC from bankrupcy and made it one of the most popular Sports in the World in less than two decades - thus making his resume' better than anything David Stern did since we're on a basketball forum and people love Stern

GSP · Post #400 » by **GSP** » Mon Apr 6, 2020 12:12 am

limbo wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:One can not like David Stern, but it's pretty impossible to dispute that his tenure was a huge success for this league we love.

Dana White took over the UFC in 2001, which was sold for a total of $2 Million dollars at the time, and turned it into a multi-Billion dollar organization in 15-20 years...

No one cared about MMA before Dana White took over. It was just a bunch of dudes in funny underwear taking steroids. Basically every other fighting event was more popular, including fake WWE wrestling...

Now? It's arguably among the 15 most popular Sports worldwide and on a trajectory to surpass boxing as the most popular fighting sport int he World.

BOXING, bruv.. WHICH STARTED IN THE EARLY 1900s... and has built up a legendary reputation and prestige over the decades... being so heavily featured in pop culture... about to be surpassed by another fighting sport that was still a joke just 15 years ago.

And people can cry about ''BUT bUT MUHGREGORRR CARRIED HIM''

Wow... Sports needing superstars to grow in success? SHOCKING. I'm sure no other sports has rode the popularity of its superstars before UFC started promoting McGregor... And certainly not Stern, who wasn't at all marketing Michael Jordan like he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ...

Dana White > David Stern

White took over a joke that was worth less than Darius Bazely's salary and nearly bankrupt and turned it into billions in less than two decades.

Terrible take that shows a lack of knowledge on early Ufc. Dana wanted to sell the company when they were millions in debt and didnt want to do Tuf. Without that first Tuf season and Forrest/Bonnar it never gets as big as it got in North America and very well mightve been bankrupt. Ufc success was far more the Fertittas than it was Dana, not only them lending him money to start but basically most of the operations that didnt include being a tard on the camera was them.

Ufc consistently sucked at promoting their best fighters. Anderson pre Chael, Demetrious, Aldo etc. were some of the most dominant fighters ever and did terrible in terms of their draw power. The only guys they ever promoted greatly were Tito, Chuck, Conor, Ronda, Brock and Gsp and all of those guys basically promoted themselves and Brock had his Wwe background and Gsp had an entire country backing him up every fight. Chuck built his name off Titos promotion and Dana did do the bulk of promoting him really only fell flat when he entered him into the Pride tournament and he got crushed

Even Bones who does well as a draw complains about Dana and their promotion. Most champions have. They had to **** trade Demetrious Johnson for Ben Askren :lol:

and ironically Askren ended up making Masvidal a star with his promotion