The Lebron Thread | 2021 & Offseason

[LikeABosh]

Noel is a free agent and a Klutch client. I'd be interested

[xb3at band1tx]

I really did not like Dennis in his hawks years, so I understand the nervousness. But he legit had a good year last year, and made terrific strides on both ends on the floor.

It might be a gamble but I don't mind Rob taking the plunge. I'm gonna miss Green's BBIQ but his athleticism (which was already below-average) was cooked.

His value is only gonna get worse from here on, and I'm not sure his body was ready to make another run so soon.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Rondo just had a great series against Denver. Kcp was better in every other series. Way better in the finals.


Bradley better then kcp when he played? AB has like one stand out game all season and sucked the rest of the time.

Green had a good on off in the playoffs but tbh he played like absolute cheeks lmao, if your a three point specialist hitting easy threes and your missing them thats pretty much it

Defensively hes better but hes a help guy more than a point of attack defender

Kcp creates his own shot better and even though hes not as good of a defender he holds his own in certain matchups, also shot substantially better

Rondo was pretty insane vs houstan though

Elite team defense is more valuable than good individual defense, especially considering the Lakers scheme and the fact that there's probably a bigger gap the other way around between the two anyways.

Offensively KCP is more skilled but whether or not he makes more of an impact on that end is still TBD. Green moves much better without the ball, and despite his numbers I feel like he creates more spacing than KCP ever will.

Defensively green is better but team help defense from a wing perspective is valuable but the lakers clearly need more wing stoppers, lebron and AD are the only guys who really need that right now.

Kcp isnt it either defensively but its not as simple as help>Man D, its a team by team thing. A point of attack or wing stopper on defense would be more valuable than green right now, at least from a matchup perspective, since we only have 1-2 guys that an actually guard wings well outaide of bron or AD who you dont want in those roles

Offensively, spacing comes from how much teams respect your shot, if green continues that downward trend, and he hasnt shot well in the playoffs for a hot minute, despite getting the same quality of looks, hes gonna provide less spacing at some point. Kcp is also the guy that can hit threes coming off of screens while green is strictly a spot up guy atm

Green was way better in the RS, not so much in the postseason, and i wouldnt say the lakers had much spacing unless they ran 5 out lineups since teams werent respecting their shooters

Wesley matthews isnt a bad replacement for green tbh, at least playoff green, for their cost

If we play a team like the nets with harden or the celtics, green isnt really a good enough wing defender that hes gonna be that helpful in those matchups, kcp is a worse wing defender so this isnt in defense of him but i see why they would make the trade

[MyUniBroDavis]

I just don't like this trade. I get that Schroders a better offensive player but I feel like this trade just goes against the whole synergistic aspect of team building where the less weaknesses you have, the greater the whole is than the sum of its parts. You can't switch anything with Schroder meaning every PNR has to be played with some kind of conventional scheme. I guess AD is the best player in the league at being able to dominate in every scheme but Schroders now an unnecessary flaw that he's gonna be forced to cover for on defense every single play when it's crunch time.

Will Schroder be making plays for LeBron and AD during crunch time? I doubt it. It doesn't seem like optimal allocation of ball time when it's nut-crunching time. At least we could've confidently said DG won't get targeted on either end. This trade just goes against what I think the evolving future metagame of basketball is and I'm not sure Schroder is a good enough player that to counterbalance his archetypal flaws.

I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong but from what I've come to understand about the tactical evolution of the NBA this just doesn't pass the smell test to me. How are Schroders advanced numbers at his various stops? Have they been consistently positive like DGs?

Edit: Going back and reading one of the posts about his defensive numbers does make me feel a little better. I always had the sense from his Atlanta days vs the Cavs that he was an Avery Bradley type that looked pesky but didn't really suppress the other team's offense much at the end of the day. I guess he really is just peaking huh. Maybe it was the right move to do this for an over the hill DG, provided his defense is actually legit.

Dont think of schroder as a replacement for green but instead as a replacement for rondo. I think wesley matthews is a replacement for green. Id say schroder is better at man d than rondo, alot better, but rondo was insane in zone in the playoffs

That being said if schroder maintains his jumper it could be good, and he pushes the pace better and isnt as much of a ball stopper in the halfcourt. Otoh, hes a decent playmaker but isnt really great at that

[Joey Wheeler]

I just don't like this trade. I get that Schroders a better offensive player but I feel like this trade just goes against the whole synergistic aspect of team building where the less weaknesses you have, the greater the whole is than the sum of its parts. You can't switch anything with Schroder meaning every PNR has to be played with some kind of conventional scheme. I guess AD is the best player in the league at being able to dominate in every scheme but Schroders now an unnecessary flaw that he's gonna be forced to cover for on defense every single play when it's crunch time.

Will Schroder be making plays for LeBron and AD during crunch time? I doubt it. It doesn't seem like optimal allocation of ball time when it's nut-crunching time. At least we could've confidently said DG won't get targeted on either end. This trade just goes against what I think the evolving future metagame of basketball is and I'm not sure Schroder is a good enough player that to counterbalance his archetypal flaws.

I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong but from what I've come to understand about the tactical evolution of the NBA this just doesn't pass the smell test to me. How are Schroders advanced numbers at his various stops? Have they been consistently positive like DGs?

Edit: Going back and reading one of the posts about his defensive numbers does make me feel a little better. I always had the sense from his Atlanta days vs the Cavs that he was an Avery Bradley type that looked pesky but didn't really suppress the other team's offense much at the end of the day. I guess he really is just peaking huh. Maybe it was the right move to do this for an over the hill DG, provided his defense is actually legit.

It's a terrible trade, you're sacrificing size (big time), defense and spacing. With it being Lebron's team, Schroeder's on-ball value is pretty much irrelevant, the offense will be controlled by Lebron all the time.

I'm not complaining though, as long as Lebron/AD are together and healthy the Lakers need to self-sabotage like this to make the league somewhat interesting.

[D.Brasco]

If the Lakers met the Bucks or ever meet them in a playoff series, I wonder how much AD would be guarding Giannis 1 on 1?

[nzahir]

Anyway to find out what defenders are best at defending the 3 point line?

[LikeABosh]

Zach Lowe seems to think KCP will be back for the Lakers

[picko]

Great. KCP looking to get paid.

If he leaves this team is screwed. Shooting and perimeter defense were already lacking as it is.

The Lakers are screwed if LeBron gets injured. They are screwed if Davis gets injured.

They are not screwed if KCP leaves.

[MyUniBroDavis]

I just don't like this trade. I get that Schroders a better offensive player but I feel like this trade just goes against the whole synergistic aspect of team building where the less weaknesses you have, the greater the whole is than the sum of its parts. You can't switch anything with Schroder meaning every PNR has to be played with some kind of conventional scheme. I guess AD is the best player in the league at being able to dominate in every scheme but Schroders now an unnecessary flaw that he's gonna be forced to cover for on defense every single play when it's crunch time.

Will Schroder be making plays for LeBron and AD during crunch time? I doubt it. It doesn't seem like optimal allocation of ball time when it's nut-crunching time. At least we could've confidently said DG won't get targeted on either end. This trade just goes against what I think the evolving future metagame of basketball is and I'm not sure Schroder is a good enough player that to counterbalance his archetypal flaws.

I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong but from what I've come to understand about the tactical evolution of the NBA this just doesn't pass the smell test to me. How are Schroders advanced numbers at his various stops? Have they been consistently positive like DGs?

Edit: Going back and reading one of the posts about his defensive numbers does make me feel a little better. I always had the sense from his Atlanta days vs the Cavs that he was an Avery Bradley type that looked pesky but didn't really suppress the other team's offense much at the end of the day. I guess he really is just peaking huh. Maybe it was the right move to do this for an over the hill DG, provided his defense is actually legit.

It's a terrible trade, you're sacrificing size (big time), defense and spacing. With it being Lebron's team, Schroeder's on-ball value is pretty much irrelevant, the offense will be controlled by Lebron all the time.

I'm not complaining though, as long as Lebron/AD are together and healthy the Lakers need to self-sabotage like this to make the league somewhat interesting.

I mean the way to look at it imo is

(Wesley matthews)? + schroder

Vs

Green + rondo

I think schroder is far better off ball than rondo is, but playoff rondo was wilding

[dreamshake]

If Houston does end up trading Harden, I wonder if there's an opportunity for a Kuzma / Tucker swap? I mean I'd love RoCo, but they'd get better offers for him for sure.

[nzahir]

If Houston does end up trading Harden, I wonder if there's an opportunity for a Kuzma / Tucker swap? I mean I'd love RoCo, but they'd get better offers for him for sure.

I can see a Kuzma trade, but I can also see a reason to keep him. Say we could get PJ for him and Mcgee/Cook

Pros:
We get better currently defensively and a better spot up 3 point shooter

Cons:
We lose a young versatile wing who is a better scorer than Tucker.
Kuzma isn't as good defensively, but he has gotten better and he has a very good, long frame for the modern NBA

Schroeder is by far our 3rd best scorer now. Not sure how many shots there are for Kuzma honestly, especially if we bring Boogie back as well.

He is a good cutter though, so lets see what else happens in the next few days

[MyUniBroDavis]

If Houston does end up trading Harden, I wonder if there's an opportunity for a Kuzma / Tucker swap? I mean I'd love RoCo, but they'd get better offers for him for sure.

I can see a Kuzma trade, but I can also see a reason to keep him. Say we could get PJ for him and Mcgee/Cook

Pros:
We get better currently defensively and a better spot up 3 point shooter

Cons:
We lose a young versatile wing who is a better scorer than Tucker.
Kuzma isn't as good defensively, but he has gotten better and he has a very good, long frame for the modern NBA

Schroeder is by far our 3rd best scorer now. Not sure how many shots there are for Kuzma honestly, especially if we bring Boogie back as well.

He is a good cutter though, so lets see what else happens in the next few days

I think kuzma is gonna have a really good year, although i always say that lol

Id say hes good defensively now though

[Greyhound]

If the Lakers met the Bucks or ever meet them in a playoff series, I wonder how much AD would be guarding Giannis 1 on 1?

The Lakers had their best results against the Bucks last season with LeBron defending him.

[nzahir]

Wow some big news

Jrue to the Bucks

RoCo to the Blazers

What this means for us:

Ariza may be a FA (in the blazers deal for RoCo)

Tucker may be available for trade

Bucks got a lot tougher...

Blazers got better too

[Greyhound]

Zach Lowe seems to think KCP will be back for the Lakers

Hopefully he is correct. Hopefully Bradley comes back as well.

[letskissbro]

Bucks gave up 2 swaps and 3 firsts for Holiday lmfao

[LikeABosh]

Bucks gave up 2 swaps and 3 firsts for Holiday lmfao

They're all in and I don't blame them. Gotta show Giannis they're committed to making moves. I would've preferred to keep Hill though

[MyUniBroDavis]

Bucks gave up 2 swaps and 3 firsts for Holiday lmfao

Holiday is preeeettty damn good lol

[nzahir]

Bucks gave up 2 swaps and 3 firsts for Holiday lmfao

They're all in and I don't blame them. Gotta show Giannis they're committed to making moves. I would've preferred to keep Hill though

I can see Giannis sign a 5 year supermax and if they don't win it all in the next 3 years, he can just ask out