Can we shut the book on the Williams/Paul debate?

[dogrufus]

.......... ^

You forgot:

Assist/Turnover Ratio
Paul 4.39 Williams 2.88

True Shooting Percentage
Paul .608
Williams .558

PER
Paul 27.7, leads team by FAR
Williams 21, 2nd on team

Offense Rating
Paul 125
Williams 111

Defense Rating (lower is better)
Paul 97
Williams 107

Win Shares per 48 minutes
Paul .303
Williams .229

Above Average Teammates (by PER)
Paul: West (20.7), Okafor (15.4)
Williams: Millsap (22.8), Jefferson (16.7)

And yet...

Team Winning %:
Paul: .786
Willams: .688

Yep, I'd say the book is pretty closed. I love how Jazz homers consider this an actual debate when there's a plethora of points in Paul's favor and literally 0 points in Williams'.

It'd be like if I, a Knick fan, posted that Amar'e is better than Dwight Howard.

[Kingsforlife]

^ yep thread closed

[NYK 455]

Williams numbers are higher because he plays more minutes, but who cares? Paul is winning, and doesn't need to play more and post bigger numbers, and we already know what he's capable of.

[Bradford]

Williams numbers are higher because he plays more minutes, but who cares? Paul is winning, and doesn't need to play more and post bigger numbers, and we already know what he's capable of.

We'll see who's winning more at the end of the season...

[dogrufus]

Williams numbers are higher because he plays more minutes, but who cares? Paul is winning, and doesn't need to play more and post bigger numbers, and we already know what he's capable of.

We'll see who's winning more at the end of the season...

If Williams is it's because he has a better team and one of the best coaches in history, not because he's a better individual player.

I guess actual evidence in favor of your argument would be too much to expect, seeing as how there isn't any.

[NO-KG-AI]

I think it's hilarious that the Jazz's backup PF over the last few years is better than any player Paul has ever played with

[NO-KG-AI]

I think it's hilarious that the Jazz's backup PF over the last few years is better than any player Paul has ever played with

[Bradford]

I guess actual evidence in favor of your argument would be too much to expect, seeing as how there isn't any.

Actually if you watch the games that's all the evidence you need.

DWill > Paul

Book Shut.

[BarneyGumble]

I think it's hilarious that the Jazz's backup PF over the last few years is better than any player Paul has ever played with

And yet, Paul has played with 2 lottery picks....so who's fault is that?

[Wavy Q]

They've never been a lottery team since CP3's been there, so i'd say the general manager's.

[dogrufus]

Actually if you watch the only the Jazz games and are a huge homer your bias supplies all the evidence you need.

Fixed that for you.

[Rapcity_11]

I think it's hilarious that the Jazz's backup PF over the last few years is better than any player Paul has ever played with

And yet, Paul has played with 2 lottery picks....so who's fault is that?

The idiot that drafted them?

That argument is so weak man.

[Bradford]

Fixed that for you.

[Sinant]

Oh good, we're back to the draft position argument.

That's my favorite.

[dogrufus]

And yet, Paul has played with 2 lottery picks....so who's fault is that?

Timberwolves' lineup contains two #2 overall picks, a #4, a #5, a #6, a #7, a #13, and a #14.

Sounds like they have the best team in the league by your standards.

But then I don't have to mock you because really you MUST know this argument is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[Bradford]

Oh no lets look at meaningless made up stats that random guys with too much time on their hands come up with....

Or we could look at wins, you know, the stat that actually matters.

[dogrufus]

Fixed that for you.

I agree, trying to prove your claim using such piss poor arguments is pretty much equivalent to banging your head against a wall.

Sorry, I tend to be more persuaded more by actual hard evidence. I'm not just going to ignore every number out there and take the world's most biased Jazz fan's word for it.

[Bradford]

Fixed that for you.

I agree, trying to prove your claim using such piss poor arguments is pretty much equivalent to banging your head against a wall.

Sorry, I tend to be more persuaded more by actual hard evidence. I'm not just going to ignore every number out there and take the world's most biased Jazz fan's word for it.

I prefer using the scoreboard.

[Jase]

It's not a matter of who is better, simply because the book will never be shut. Personally, I prefer Williams. A lot of the time, it's a concept of systems. Williams fits Utah's system and offensive philosophy. Paul fits New Orlean's system. He dictates it. At least we can agree that you can't lose with either player.

[dogrufus]

Oh no lets look at meaningless made up stats that random guys with too much time on their hands come up with....

Or we could look at wins, you know, the stat that actually matters.

Are you trying to come off stupid?

Do you not know that Paul's team has more wins and a 10% higher winning percentage?

Or is that stat meaningless and made up too?