Top 50 player seasons, PLEASE READ pg 4 if you want to vote

[penbeast0]

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Result would look like: "Adam Morrison '12-13"

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Thoughts?

Doc, if your results look anything like "Adam Morrison '12-13" in the top 50 players seasons of all time . . . can you send me some of what you were smoking?

[JordansBulls]

I'll participate but I think this is something that should wait till when the playoffs are nearing it's end. Right now you pretty much are going to have the busiest weekend in the NBA all season.

[SideshowBob]

I'm in, and I agree with JB.

[HeterodoxView]

I'm in, but I won't vote unless I know anything about the season. I won't vote based on someone's flawed statistics and dirty agenda.

BTW, ElGee, if you don't want people with agendas then maybe you should look to make sure bastillon is excluded from the voting? Let's see if you can live up to your own words. If you don't, it's just proof that this is an orgy among like-minded people, with the outcomes already pre-determined.

[ThaRegul8r]

I'm wondering how just many people have the top seasons of GOAT players ranked in order for that player clearly in their minds, which is the starting point before one can than make cross-player comparisons.

[bastillon]

I'm in, but I won't vote unless I know anything about the season. I won't vote based on someone's flawed statistics and dirty agenda.

BTW, ElGee, if you don't want people with agendas then maybe you should look to make sure bastillon is excluded from the voting? Let's see if you can live up to your own words. If you don't, it's just proof that this is an orgy among like-minded people, with the outcomes already pre-determined.

lol @ you darkjaws. you have been banned like 8 times from this site and I'm the one with agenda ?

[HeterodoxView]

I'm in, but I won't vote unless I know anything about the season. I won't vote based on someone's flawed statistics and dirty agenda.

BTW, ElGee, if you don't want people with agendas then maybe you should look to make sure bastillon is excluded from the voting? Let's see if you can live up to your own words. If you don't, it's just proof that this is an orgy among like-minded people, with the outcomes already pre-determined.

lol @ you darkjaws. you have been banned like 8 times from this site and I'm the one with agenda ?

that actually isn't the point, we all have agendas, but Elgee is using it as an excuse to exclude opinions he doesn't like, or exclude analysis that he doesn't approve of (like actual historical analysis rather than relying purely on statistics, which used in isolation is meaningless).

[tclg]

Some players have some really exceptional seasons its tough to really say which year was the greatest . Im going to start trying to get my rankings for the top twenty.

[ardee]

A very, VERY early look at my top 20. Using only one season per player for now.

1. 67 Chamberlain
2. 90 Jordan
3. 00 Shaq
4. 87 Magic
5. 86 Bird
6. 76 Kareem
7. 94 Olajuwon
8. 64 Russell
9. 09 LeBron
10. 03 Duncan
11. 04 Garnett
12. 06 Kobe
13. 82 Moses
14. 77 Walton (would put him higher but he still missed about 20 odd games)
15. 70 West
16. 76 Erving (I've read that many consider the ABA = NBA in that time period, but I'm still not sold on the competition. Otherwise he'd be higher)
17. 64 Robertson
18. 09 Wade
19. 90 Barkley
20. 94 Robinson

[therealbig3]

^Nice list, but I disagree with where Kobe is ranked compared to Wade, and no T-Mac?

IMO, I don't see any real separation between whatever year you want to use for peak Kobe, 09 Wade, and 03 T-Mac, and if anything, I'd give the edge to T-Mac. IMO, these guys should basically go back-to-back-to-back on any peaks list.

I don't even disagree where Kobe ranks...I just think Wade and T-Mac should be right there with him.

[JordansBulls]

A very, VERY early look at my top 20. Using only one season per player for now.

1. 67 Chamberlain
2. 90 Jordan
3. 00 Shaq
4. 87 Magic
5. 86 Bird
6. 76 Kareem
7. 94 Olajuwon
8. 64 Russell
9. 09 LeBron
10. 03 Duncan
11. 04 Garnett
12. 06 Kobe
13. 82 Moses
14. 77 Walton (would put him higher but he still missed about 20 odd games)
15. 70 West
16. 76 Erving (I've read that many consider the ABA = NBA in that time period, but I'm still not sold on the competition. Otherwise he'd be higher)
17. 64 Robertson
18. 09 Wade
19. 90 Barkley
20. 94 Robinson

I definitely have Jordan 1991 over Jordan 1990.

[ardee]

A very, VERY early look at my top 20. Using only one season per player for now.

1. 67 Chamberlain
2. 90 Jordan
3. 00 Shaq
4. 87 Magic
5. 86 Bird
6. 76 Kareem
7. 94 Olajuwon
8. 64 Russell
9. 09 LeBron
10. 03 Duncan
11. 04 Garnett
12. 06 Kobe
13. 82 Moses
14. 77 Walton (would put him higher but he still missed about 20 odd games)
15. 70 West
16. 76 Erving (I've read that many consider the ABA = NBA in that time period, but I'm still not sold on the competition. Otherwise he'd be higher)
17. 64 Robertson
18. 09 Wade
19. 90 Barkley
20. 94 Robinson

I definitely have Jordan 1991 over Jordan 1990.

Jordan 1990: 33.6-6.9-6.3, 2.8 steals and 3 TO on 61% TS. 38% from three.
Jordan 1991: 31.5-6-5.5, 2.7 steals and 2.5 TO on 61% TS. 31% from three.

Playoffs 1990: 37-7-7 on 59% TS.
Playoffs 1991: 31-6-8 on 60% TS.

1990 was better in every way. He had more WTF games and some absolutely dominant Playoff series. The only argument for 1991 is the title: and that was because Pippen and Horace Grant both made a substantial leap come 1991. '91 was a phenomenal year, don't get me wrong, probably his best title year, but to me, 1990 was the best perimeter player season ever.

[JordansBulls]

Jordan 1990: 33.6-6.9-6.3, 2.8 steals and 3 TO on 61% TS. 38% from three.
Jordan 1991: 31.5-6-5.5, 2.7 steals and 2.5 TO on 61% TS. 31% from three.

Playoffs 1990: 37-7-7 on 59% TS.
Playoffs 1991: 31-6-8 on 60% TS.

1990 was better in every way. He had more WTF games and some absolutely dominant Playoff series. The only argument for 1991 is the title: and that was because Pippen and Horace Grant both made a substantial leap come 1991. '91 was a phenomenal year, don't get me wrong, probably his best title year, but to me, 1990 was the best perimeter player season ever.

By no means. you looking at raw numbers. MJ played 2 less mpg in 1991 and He still had a higher PER, WS and WS/PER 48 minutes in 1991 than he did in 1990 in the season and playoffs all around. Not to mention once you factor in his historic finals in 1991 it is a no brainer. A guy pretty much with over a 31.5 PER in the season, playoffs and finals in the same year.

[GrangerDanger]

I'm in, but I won't vote unless I know anything about the season. I won't vote based on someone's flawed statistics and dirty agenda.

BTW, ElGee, if you don't want people with agendas then maybe you should look to make sure bastillon is excluded from the voting? Let's see if you can live up to your own words. If you don't, it's just proof that this is an orgy among like-minded people, with the outcomes already pre-determined.

Agreed with this, and I would also nominate JB to be excluded from voting. His MJ agenda is far too great for him to vote objectively. He trolled nonstop during the RPOY and purposefully voted against people to prop up MJs ranking. and in the top 100 voting he refused to vote for MJ's teammates and voted for MJ's opponents way earlier than the norm in order to boost MJ's legacy.

[ardee]

I'm in, but I won't vote unless I know anything about the season. I won't vote based on someone's flawed statistics and dirty agenda.

BTW, ElGee, if you don't want people with agendas then maybe you should look to make sure bastillon is excluded from the voting? Let's see if you can live up to your own words. If you don't, it's just proof that this is an orgy among like-minded people, with the outcomes already pre-determined.

Agreed with this, and I would also nominate JB to be excluded from voting. His MJ agenda is far too great for him to vote objectively. He trolled nonstop during the RPOY and purposefully voted against people to prop up MJs ranking. and in the top 100 voting he refused to vote for MJ's teammates and voted for MJ's opponents way earlier than the norm in order to boost MJ's legacy.

Guys, keep the politics to a minimum please. This is a basketball forum, not somewhere where people go to find people to put down. If this continues then the project will probably degenerate into vendettas (I feel ridiculous saying it, a vendetta against someone you've never met?!) and may not be carried out.

[JordansBulls]

I'm in, but I won't vote unless I know anything about the season. I won't vote based on someone's flawed statistics and dirty agenda.

BTW, ElGee, if you don't want people with agendas then maybe you should look to make sure bastillon is excluded from the voting? Let's see if you can live up to your own words. If you don't, it's just proof that this is an orgy among like-minded people, with the outcomes already pre-determined.

Agreed with this, and I would also nominate JB to be excluded from voting. His MJ agenda is far too great for him to vote objectively. He trolled nonstop during the RPOY and purposefully voted against people to prop up MJs ranking. and in the top 100 voting he refused to vote for MJ's teammates and voted for MJ's opponents way earlier than the norm in order to boost MJ's legacy.

You are a poster with less than 100 posts on this site who didn't join until August last year, So how would you know what went on with me and bastillon and others unless of course you are a returning user. No one with that few posts is going to know about other posting or anything unless they are returning users of some sort.

[C-izMe]

If we are doing this I think starting with which year is Kareem's best would be a good start. He had years where he carried deadweight to the playoffs but other years where he won titles with other great players. We also need to establish Oscar's best year. I say 65 or 62 but it's close.

[ardee]

If we are doing this I think starting with which year is Kareem's best would be a good start. He had years where he carried deadweight to the playoffs but other years where he won titles with other great players. We also need to establish Oscar's best year. I say 65 or 62 but it's close.

Kareem: would have to be 1976, for me. Look at that Laker team, LOOK at it. It's worse than KG's Minny teams. And he still managed to carry them to just about .500 by averaging 27.7 PPG, 16.9 RPG, 5.0 PG and 4.1 BPG. This was after the pace dropped, so the numbers are not at all inflated. He himself said that '76 was his best season, his team just sucked. His all-around peak. Other contenders are '80 and '72.

Oscar, it would probably be '64. Highest PER, shot 58% TS, and the Royals had an ORtg that was by far the highest in the league, all because of Oscar. People love to look at '62 because it was the triple double year, but in '64 he fell seven total rebounds short, so yeah, he was still a triple-double monster back then.

Other players who's best years I would be interested in hearing opinions on are Jordan, Russell, and LeBron (09 vs. 10).

[C-izMe]

If we are doing this I think starting with which year is Kareem's best would be a good start. He had years where he carried deadweight to the playoffs but other years where he won titles with other great players. We also need to establish Oscar's best year. I say 65 or 62 but it's close.

Kareem: would have to be 1976, for me. Look at that Laker team, LOOK at it. It's worse than KG's Minny teams. And he still managed to carry them to just about .500 by averaging 27.7 PPG, 16.9 RPG, 5.0 PG and 4.1 BPG. This was after the pace dropped, so the numbers are not at all inflated. He himself said that '76 was his best season, his team just sucked. His all-around peak. Other contenders are '80 and '72.

That is my first guess but 80 and 72 ended in rings. I don't usually think that way but he played great in the playoffs those years. I say 76 but it's still very close IMO.

Oscar, it would probably be '64. Highest PER, shot 58% TS, and the Royals had an ORtg that was by far the highest in the league, all because of Oscar. People love to look at '62 because it was the triple double year, but in '64 he fell seven total rebounds short, so yeah, he was still a triple-double monster back then.

His offenses in 62 and 65 were way better. Both were about 4.5 ppp above league average. His teams played worse defense but he had a triple double one year and a career high in ast the other. 64 has a solid argument too though.

Other players who's best years I would be interested in hearing opinions on are Jordan, Russell, and LeBron (09 vs. 10).

I say Lebron and MJ are easily 09 and 91 respectively (especially factoring in the playoffs where 09 Lebron blows 10 Lebron out the water). I say Russell is 62. He had close regular seasons nearly every year and that was his best postseason.

[ardee]

If we are doing this I think starting with which year is Kareem's best would be a good start. He had years where he carried deadweight to the playoffs but other years where he won titles with other great players. We also need to establish Oscar's best year. I say 65 or 62 but it's close.

Kareem: would have to be 1976, for me. Look at that Laker team, LOOK at it. It's worse than KG's Minny teams. And he still managed to carry them to just about .500 by averaging 27.7 PPG, 16.9 RPG, 5.0 PG and 4.1 BPG. This was after the pace dropped, so the numbers are not at all inflated. He himself said that '76 was his best season, his team just sucked. His all-around peak. Other contenders are '80 and '72.

That is my first guess but 80 and 72 ended in rings. I don't usually think that way but he played great in the playoffs those years. I say 76 but it's still very close IMO.

Oscar, it would probably be '64. Highest PER, shot 58% TS, and the Royals had an ORtg that was by far the highest in the league, all because of Oscar. People love to look at '62 because it was the triple double year, but in '64 he fell seven total rebounds short, so yeah, he was still a triple-double monster back then.

His offenses in 62 and 65 were way better. Both were about 4.5 ppp above league average. His teams played worse defense but he had a triple double one year and a career high in ast the other. 64 has a solid argument too though.

Other players who's best years I would be interested in hearing opinions on are Jordan, Russell, and LeBron (09 vs. 10).

I say Lebron and MJ are easily 09 and 91 respectively (especially factoring in the playoffs where 09 Lebron blows 10 Lebron out the water). I say Russell is 62. He had close regular seasons nearly every year and that was his best postseason.

The Playoff argument for LeBron in 09 is very strong, but I just feel he was better overall as a player in 10. More complete. His jumper was better, his passing was off the charts. He did suck against Boston, but does one series take away from his most complete season ever?

MJ it's a toss up between 90 and 91. I say 90, but 91 could also be the right answer.

Russell I'd still have to do some digging.

Wilt, Magic and Larry, thankfully their best seasons are very easy to determine.

Then there's Kobe. 01, 03, 06, 07 and 08 all have arguments (possibly 09 as well). Leaning toward 07 for now, as an individual, it was his most efficient season, and still with off the charts scoring.

Barkley is a toughie. 88, 90 and 93, all possibles.