Garnett VS Nowitzki-Year By Year Since 2001

[MisterWestside]

Two things to consider: Nowitzki has the better +/- based stats in 2001 and 2002 and 2012. I don't think that 2012 was a tie, even though it was close, but Nowitzki takes that. From my composite metric (combination of production and efficiency via my SPM plus RAPM, combined via best fit).

2003: Garnett
2004: Garnett
2005: Garnett
2006: Nowitzki
2007: Nowitzki
2008: Garnett
2009: Nowitzki
2010: Nowitzki
2011: Nowitzki
2012: Nowitzki

With 2003 and 2005 being a close win for Garnett, while 2007 and 2012 being a close win for Nowitzki.
For 2002 I have Nowitzki with +4.7 in SPM and in 10.3 APM (Wayne Winston), while Garnett has +4.8 SPM and +8.4 APM. In 2001 Nowitzki with +4.2 SPM and +12.7 APM, Garnett with +4.4 SPM and +6.7 APM. Looking at that I would say 2002 as a tie and 2001 close win for Nowitzki.
I think regarding 2001 and 2002 people may not be aware of the efficiency difference between Nowitzki and the league average. Nowitzki was a 60 TS% scorer, while the league average was 52 TS%. Plus 8 is like having a 62 TS% season today.

Even though I think you're a bit of a Nowitzki nut ( ) this is a great list. Can't nitpick too much at your picks here. How did you derive your SPM?

[AshyLarry]

01 KG
02 KG
03 Dirk
04 KG
05 Dirk
06 Dirk
07 Dirk
08 KG
09 Dirk
10 Dirk
11 Dirk
12 KG

[AshyLarry]

looking back on Dirk and KG, both have great impact no doubt about that, just on different sides. Kg had a better peak and better numbers, yes. but Dirk has a better career. if i have choice between dirk's career and KG's, id rather get dirk's. theyre both kinda like wilt and bill in a way. wilt always put up the better numbers but bill always win and had the better career.

[JordansBulls]

Good thread.

01-KG
02-KG
03-KG
04-KG
05-KG
06-Dirk
07-Dirk
08-Tie
09-Dirk
10-Dirk
11-Dirk
12-Tie

Pretty much even. I've got it 5 for each of them, with 2 ties. But I think KG's 04 is better than anything Dirk ever did.

Something like this except 2008 I'd say KG and 2005 is probably the tie.

[ahonui06]

Good thread.

01-KG
02-KG
03-KG
04-KG
05-KG
06-Dirk
07-Dirk
08-Tie
09-Dirk
10-Dirk
11-Dirk
12-Tie

Pretty much even. I've got it 5 for each of them, with 2 ties. But I think KG's 04 is better than anything Dirk ever did.

Something like this except 2008 I'd say KG and 2005 is probably the tie.

JB, KG missed the playoffs in 2005. That should automatically tilt the scales to DIRK in that year.

[AshyLarry]

Lol Dirk vs KG has been done so many times, its really hard and getting tiring to argue whose the GOAT between them.
ill just stick to my facts. which is: KG is the better peak player, but Dirk can carry a team better than KG can, KG has his stats, Dirk has a better career.

oh In before "what if" arguements.

[NO-KG-AI]

JB, KG missed the playoffs in 2005. That should automatically tilt the scales to DIRK in that year.

Kareem missed the playoffs in 74-75 and 75-76, but he was still a better player than KG or Dirk.

[ahonui06]

JB, KG missed the playoffs in 2005. That should automatically tilt the scales to DIRK in that year.

Kareem missed the playoffs in 74-75 and 75-76, but he was still a better player than KG or Dirk.

Considering KG and DIRK didn't play in 1974 or 1975 your comparison makes absolutely no sense.

[NO-KG-AI]

JB, KG missed the playoffs in 2005. That should automatically tilt the scales to DIRK in that year.

Kareem missed the playoffs in 74-75 and 75-76, but he was still a better player than KG or Dirk.

Considering KG and DIRK didn't play in 1974 or 1975 your comparison makes absolutely no sense.

Well you're saying one player is better than another if he makes the playoffs, so there were a ton of players better than Kareem in those years right? Don't backpedal.

[Texas Chuck]

You know thats not what hes saying.

[NO-KG-AI]

You know thats not what hes saying.

Lol really? Go look at his response in the Paul/Rondo thread.

[Texas Chuck]

how is that relative to this discussion?

I want you to justify picking KG over Dirk for any of the 3 straight years he missed the playoffs in his prime? You imply that you are doing that with ur Kareem comments Because I dont think any statistical edges KG has can overcome what Dirk was accomplishing at the same time.

[MisterWestside]

JB, KG missed the playoffs in 2005. That should automatically tilt the scales to DIRK in that year.

You value winning right? Who was better in 2010 - KG or Dirk?

HOW does someone who values "winning" pick Dirk over KG in 2010? When KG was one win away from a championship and Dirk was bounced from the 1st round?

You're NOT a Celtics fan.

[The Infamous1]

01'- KG
02'-Dirk
03'-KG
04'-KG
05-Present,Dirk

Dirk as a whole>KG

[AVolumeScorer]

I don't understand how you can make either of these arguments
1. Dirk>KG in 08[even ahouni himself said earlier that KG was better than DIRK]
2. Pierce was more important than KG in 08

[The Infamous1]

In 08' Dirk was better in the RS and in the playoffs it wasn't even close. KG just was on the most stacked team in the league and in the eastern conference

Dirk 08' Playoffs 26.8/12.0/4.0/ on a 58% T/S

KG 08' Playoffs 20.4/10.5/3.3 on a 54% T/S

dirk crapping on KG in playoff performance is nothing surprising though(or new)

[AVolumeScorer]

In 08' Dirk was better in the RS and in the playoffs it wasn't even close. KG just was on the most stacked team in the league and in the eastern conference

Dirk 08' Playoffs 26.8/12.0/4.0/ on a 58% T/S

KG 08' Playoffs 20.4/10.5/3.3 on a 54% T/S

dirk crapping on KG in playoff performance is nothing surprising though

The guy lost in the first round in 5 games and his counterpart in New Orleans put up 23/7 on 48% shooting himself along with 1.6 bpg

I don't blame Dirk for losing that series because CP3 put up 25/12/6/2 which is **** amazing but when you lose in the first round, I don't really see a case

[The Infamous1]

Dirk dominated, they lost because CP3 crapped on Kidd.

In the first round Dirk faced a 56 win hornets team, KG faced a 37 win Hawks team, and took SEVEN GAMES TO BEAT THEM(With Paul Pierce and Ray Allen)

Dirk was better in the postseason and it wasn't even close

I really can't see how you can slight Dirk for losing in the first when that's what Garnett did basically his entire career in minnesota

[AVolumeScorer]

I'm not trying to argue Garnett>Dirk for his career so that's irrelevant
It took 7 games to beat them because Pierce/Allen had off series, Garnett put up 21/9/2/1.4 so I don't see why you can fault him, Allen had a pretty bad postseason until the ECF in terms of getting his numbers and efficiency

[The Infamous1]

You said, "when you lose In the first round". KG did that his entire life. So I found it hypocritical for you to say that in slighting Dirk. KG was good against Hawks but not Dirk good