ATFL Eastern: (3) Quotatious vs. (6) Notanoob

[MisterHibachi]

bastillon
TMACFORMVP: Notanoob
penbeast0: Notanoob
ronnymac2: Notanoob
Doctor MJ
SideshowBob
Texas Chuck: Notanoob
therealbig3: Notanoob

Notanoob moves on.

[Notanoob]

Good game Quotatious.

Nagiro's got me a bit worried in this upcoming round. Hakeem vs Jordan, finally!

That said, I think that he's got similar spacing problems (only 1 3 point shooter starts), but I can just have Hakeem run ragged over Sikma, and if he brings in Wallace he's playing 4 on 5 basketball when he tries to score. Plus, he's only got 2 shooters coming off the bench, and they've got their flaws too. Kover can't hope to guard Pierce, or Vince if he plays him at SG.

Heck, unless he goes with a super-small lineup of Scott/Hinrich/Korver (yeah right), he's only going to have 2 3 point shooters on the floor at best. 2 of his shooters play the same position, and the third one would be a liability trying to check Pierce/VC.

He's got 3 defensive specialists who offer nothing on offense coming off the bench.

I think I can win this one too.

[Quotatious]

Bastillon said that he wouldn't judge until he sees Notanoob's more specific gameplan, and now it seems that his vote wouldn't matter as Notanoob already advanced to the next round, but I'm really curious to see Doc MJ's and SideshowBob's insight here. Or maybe they'd rather just already focus on the next matchups? I could certainly understand that, but considering that both guys posted in the ardee vs Sagittaron thread, I think there's a chance that they would also chime in with their two cents here...

Edit: Oh, sorry, Doctor MJ actually didn't post there...I was sure that he did, but Sideshow voted there, so I'd also like to hear his opinion here. I imagine that it'd be very similar to the other judges here, but you never know for sure...

[bastillon]

Bastillon said that he wouldn't judge until he sees Notanoob's more specific gameplan, and now it seems that his vote wouldn't matter as Notanoob already advanced to the next round, but I'm really curious to see Doc MJ's and SideshowBob's insight here. Or maybe they'd rather just already focus on the next matchups? I could certainly understand that, but considering that both guys posted in the ardee vs Sagittaron thread, I think there's a chance that they would also chime in with their two cents here...

Edit: Oh, sorry, Doctor MJ actually didn't post there...I was sure that he did, but Sideshow voted there, so I'd also like to hear his opinion here. I imagine that it'd be very similar to the other judges here, but you never know for sure...

yeah, I can't vote and I'm surprised other judges voted without knowing anything whatsoever about the team strategy of notanoob. I don't even know who's in the starting lineup. how much is Rodman going to play? what position is he playing - SF or PF? is Carter playing alongside Pierce?

that being said there were some horrendous statements made in this thread. Carter could guard PFs? in what world would that happen?

there are some concerns with notanoob's team. I think Carter and Blaylock would chuck Hakeem out of his touches, their decision making was questionable in the years selected as well as throughout their careers, lots of illadvised shots, I felt they were overrated passers as well etc. I also don't have idea how that would work with Bosh/Rodman/Pierce. who is playing with whom? to me it's very interesting that people voted for Notanoob without knowing these things. they make a huge difference.

[therealbig3]

Bastillon said that he wouldn't judge until he sees Notanoob's more specific gameplan, and now it seems that his vote wouldn't matter as Notanoob already advanced to the next round, but I'm really curious to see Doc MJ's and SideshowBob's insight here. Or maybe they'd rather just already focus on the next matchups? I could certainly understand that, but considering that both guys posted in the ardee vs Sagittaron thread, I think there's a chance that they would also chime in with their two cents here...

Edit: Oh, sorry, Doctor MJ actually didn't post there...I was sure that he did, but Sideshow voted there, so I'd also like to hear his opinion here. I imagine that it'd be very similar to the other judges here, but you never know for sure...

yeah, I can't vote and I'm surprised other judges voted without knowing anything whatsoever about the team strategy of notanoob. I don't even know who's in the starting lineup. how much is Rodman going to play? what position is he playing - SF or PF? is Carter playing alongside Pierce?

that being said there were some horrendous statements made in this thread. Carter could guard PFs? in what world would that happen?

there are some concerns with notanoob's team. I think Carter and Blaylock would chuck Hakeem out of his touches, their decision making was questionable in the years selected as well as throughout their careers, lots of illadvised shots, I felt they were overrated passers as well etc. I also don't have idea how that would work with Bosh/Rodman/Pierce. who is playing with whom? to me it's very interesting that people voted for Notanoob without knowing these things. they make a huge difference.

Carter could defend smaller PFs on switches if required...he even started one game at PF for the Nets when they faced the Lakers and matched up with Lamar Odom...and he did a good job.

And I think you totally missed this:

Yes, I'm sorry that I haven't finished up here yet. I've just had a busy few days, school and a job interview among them.

So yeah, about his bench. I'll be honest, it's pretty good. Heck, I'd be starting Odom and Mullin in this series.

I can't say that I know much about Armstrong, but he doesn't look to be a big deal. 6th man once, but that's about it. Not a good 3 point shooter, doesn't have any defensive honors...he looks like a regular backup PG. Not a big deal.

Christie and Mullin are a pair of wins who I'll have to respect. Mullin only shot around 35% from 3, which is odd because I remember him as being a better shooter than that. Christie shot a much better 37%, but also could play real good defense. Thankfully, neither of my backup wings should worry too much. Afflalo will not be doing to much on offense, regardless of Christie defending him; same with Artest. They'll basically be spot up shooters who play hard-nosed defense. Maybe Afflalo will post up Mullin if the opportunity arises, but it's not going to have a significant impact on the series either way. They're both more than capable of containing their man, although Mullin will give pretty much all of my wings a bit of trouble. Afflalo will have to guard him if he isn't already on Kobe, since he's the spriest of my wings who play defense.

On offense, I feel no need to push harder match ups. If Christie is out there on Vince, then there's no need to make Vince work hard when he's got Hakeem and Pierce to do some scoring for them. I'm perfectly comfortably with Pierce ISOing Mullin.

Odom is just a pain. Really solid and versatile player, thank goodness he's not a sniper from deep. Still, Bosh focusing mostly on defense isn't going to be getting torched, and Rodman will be happy to shut him down.

That's really the great thing though. With versatile guys backing up 2-4, I can throw a great defender on anyone whenever I need to. Odom giving me trouble? He won't be giving Rodman trouble. Mullin getting hot? Artest can goon it up with him, same with Afflalo.

Miller is a great passer for a C, but man would Hakeem or Bosh abuse him on offense. Unless he's a better defender than I think he is?

But our benches appear to be opposites. He's got all these nice passers who like to finesse their way through a game, while I've got a squad of mean-arse brawlers. Rodman and Artest are known psycho's, Rollins tried to bite Danny Ainge's finger off for a little hip-check, and Afflalo is a tough defender. If we ever have bench-vs-bench going on, it'll be my guys trying to beat the tar out of them. Great ball movement and smarts only gets you so far with a bunch of guys who play defense like my bench. JET is the only weak defender in this group, but he's only facing Armstrong. Tree is no DPOY but he was averaging over 4 blocks a game one season; he can protect the paint nicely with his size and length.

If it comes down to it, I can just have Artest start a fight with Kobe late in game 7. Give him a black eye and force him to the bench. Artest won't care. What's that, a one game suspension? Worth it to move on. Pierce and Rodman can handle the minutes.

Anyways, I'm done rambling there, let's move on.

Mookie (how'd he get such a cool nickname? Anyone know? Oh yeah, he gets 28 minutes)/ JET (20)
Vince (35)/ Afflalo (13)
Pierce (34)/ Artest (10)/ Rodman (4)
Bosh (28)/ Rodman (20)
Hakeem (36)/Bosh (8)/ Rollins (4)

I'm curious to hear other people's opinions on this, but I can't wait to go to sleep. Night y'all.

[john248]

Now that I'm looking at it, I was right about taking a dominant center, because I'd likely get eaten alive if I didn't Alonzo, who could at least present a serious challenge to Hakeem.

You drafted very well. Of all the teams here, in terms of just pure skill and precision, it's definitely top 3. Really, I think our draft position was a bit of a disadvantage. I see this more of a match-up issue going against an ATG with a well drafted team.

Looks like I face Notanoob in the next round

Jordan vs Hakeem ...

[Quotatious]

You drafted very well. Of all the teams here, in terms of just pure skill and precision, it's definitely top 3. Really, I think our draft position was a bit of a disadvantage. I see this more of a match-up issue going against an ATG with a well drafted team.

Thanks man. I wish I had my first round pick in the top 7. Whoever drafted Jordan, Shaq, LeBron, Hakeem, Magic, Bird or Duncan were really fortunate. I didn't mention Kareem because he was already slowing down in the early 80s. Obviously still a great player, but not the same as he was in the early 70s with the Bucks, or in '76 or 'especially '77 with the Lakers. You made a good pick tho. The guys who had top 7 picks have much easier job arguing why their teams are better than their opponents...Especially if someone got Shaq or Hakeem, like my opponent Notanoob had...

On the other hand, it was fun for me to have my picks so far apart from each other, because personally, for me it was really exciting to wait and see who would be available. There was that element of uncertainty and tension, to see if the guy who you wanted to take would last to your next pick. Taking Kobe with my first pick really limited my next options, because he's not the easiest player to build around. Honestly, I was close to taking 1994-96 David Robinson with my first pick, and then I'd probably go with one of Drexler, Stockton or Pierce with my second pick. So basically, I'd have the same leaders as DHodgkins had if I went with Robinson and Drexler. I wouldn't have a closer in that tho, so it'd be a disadvantage compared to having Kobe, and I absolutely wouldn't take Isiah, Dominique and Webber, like Hodgkins did.

Despite the loss, I have to feel good about my efforts, especially given how much most guys praised my team in this thread here.

[Notanoob]

I feel like we should have a losers bracket of some sort. Q put together a very solid team and it would be a shame if he didn't see something come of it besides a first round exit.

[Quotatious]

I feel like we should have a losers bracket of some sort. Q put together a very solid team and it would be a shame if he didn't see something come of it besides a first round exit.

Yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea, considering that the real NBA already rewards losers with high lottery draft picks.

[MisterHibachi]

That wouldn't be a bad idea.

[Quotatious]

Yeah, but some judges already find it problematic to find enough time to take care of each matchup fairly quickly, so it'd be a real problem to review the additional series. Well, maybe we could do it after the real (winners) tournament ends?