RealGM Top 100 List #70

[lukekarts]

Looks like King wins this if Owly's comp is right.

Even if it is not, my vote would have been for King of those two. I prefer his abilities given that a lot of what Cousy did was with great team-mates, and even then he was inefficient.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

As noted in my initial post here, Larry Nance (my initial votee) has 11 seasons in what were the top 2000 or so player seasons by PER (i.e. seasons above 17.9) and 11 such seasons for a similar bar for WS/48 (.144), King has 8 such seasons by PER and 5 above the WS/48 bar.

Accounting for distance above those bars and minutes played in those seasons Nance is estimated to have provided 33.13085 wins above good by PER/EWA and 18.67998 above good by WS/48. King's numbers are 24.73716 and 6.473833. That the gap (overall) is this large and in players from the same era (so it isn't era translation issues) make me more confident that Nance is better (as do non-boxscore factors). That is broadly why the non-peak longevity for King isn't enough for me, and methodology specifics aside (i.e. in short, sharing the belief that these other years were, for the most part, not great years), may not be good enough for others.



btw as your preferred candidate made it into the runoff, you don't need to re-vote, it is assumed that you stand by your first choice. Obviously if you want add reasoning, make your case etc it's fine, I'm just saying it's not required for you to formally re-vote.

Thanks for letting me know that a run off vote is not needed when the guy you voted for is in the run off.


I think win shares over rewards winning.
I think PER can over reward high volume efficient 3 point shooters.

I always liked Nance.
A discussion of problems with defensive win shares.
http://ascreamingcomesacrossthecourt.bl ... etely.html