Player Peaks #22

[E-Balla]

1st ballot: Chris Paul '15
Kinda went thru Paul a bit in post 15 of the #19 thread. Basically he's someone I don't put too far behind Nash as an offensive engine, and obviously better defensively (a clear net positive defensively by all available impact indicators, who also received All-D 1st team this year, fwiw). Had mentioned I'd consider putting him ahead of McGrady; well, now I've done so based on his more complete 2-way game. Am waffling a little wrt what year to call his peak ('08 is obviously phenomenal, too). Impact appears so massive in '15, though, where he logged the highest offensive on/off on record (even over '83 Moses), and the 2nd highest total on/off (behind---barely---only '09 Lebron). There's line-up noise to this, obv, but I'll be curious to see just how high his RAPM when it's released for '15.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17dNdxpgNHvOnMwnTmw65x5exfmQaA0C6T1w7KTmCiC0/edit?usp=sharing

5th offensively and 4th overall. I still don't think his slightly improved jumper makes up for his way better slashing in 08 but the defensive edge might give him the edge in the opinions of others I guess.

TY.
What's the source on this data?

Also, I believe you meant 3rd overall (since that appears to be his position), behind only Lebron and the player peak we voted in as #17 all-time (Curry).

That's from JE himself. And I did mean third thanks for the correction.

[trex_8063]

Thru post #41:

Kobe Bryant - 20
Tracy McGrady - 20
Moses Malone - 10
Chris Paul - 9
Charles Barkley - 8
Karl Malone - 3
Bob McAdoo - 1

At this point, I think I'll be leaving the thread open until tomorrow morning.
btw---mischievous, you didn't cast a 3rd ballot; get it in by tomorrow a.m.

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[trex_8063]

Very surprised to see Ewing beat out Kobe. Interesting stuff.

Yeah, I was a touch surprised too (but only a touch). If this is at all a flukey result of low voter turn-out, for my own part, I can't do much more to encourage timely participation.

Did you count RSCD_3's vote?

RSCD_3 never cast a ballot in the last thread. He chimed in that he favored Kobe in a Kobe vs. Ewing H2H.....which, for voting purposes, would have been relevant if we were in a run-off. But we weren't. Ewing won the spot in the balloting. Maybe it is a marginally flukey result, idk; but I can't do much more than I'm doing to encourage people to cast their ballots and/or contribute in general.

[thizznation]

I may have missed out in voting when Ewing was picked, I was voting for Kobe over him as well.

[RSCD3_]

Yeah, I was a touch surprised too (but only a touch). If this is at all a flukey result of low voter turn-out, for my own part, I can't do much more to encourage timely participation.

Did you count RSCD_3's vote?

RSCD_3 never cast a ballot in the last thread. He chimed in that he favored Kobe in a Kobe vs. Ewing H2H.....which, for voting purposes, would have been relevant if we were in a run-off. But we weren't. Ewing won the spot in the balloting. Maybe it is a marginally flukey result, idk; but I can't do much more than I'm doing to encourage people to cast their ballots and/or contribute in general.

I figured that because we were so close to the end, a one off ballot was all that was required. Sorry for possible confusion.

How much longer before this one is closed?

[RSCD3_]

Ballot

1. McGrady 2003
2. Kobe 2009
3. Paul 2008


Why TMAC over Kobe

Tracy Mcgrady scored more points PER100 ( 42.0 vs 37.8 ) and better RelTS% (+4.5 vs +1.7)
Very slight passing edge PER100 ( 7.2 vs 6.9 ) and better passing efficency (3.57 vs 2.45 when it comes to AST/TOV% Ratio )
Rebounding edge PER100 (8.5 Vs. 7.4 ) and when you factor in that mcgrady was still a SG, its a definite gap
BPM gives him a 9.7/4.8 Edge with practically all of the gap offensively, while I dont believe it fully it needs to be weighed.

The large scoring gap shrunk in the playoffs and the playmaking really dropped off but because it's a 7 game series, im not weighing it too large because he still did very good against a really tough defense. All in all, he was a superior offensive player and they are too close on defense for that to make up enough ground for those advantages. I rank mcgrady slightly higher but they're both slight positives, with mcgrady making most of his emphasis on that end thanks to talent and kobe with smarts/positioning.

Why Kobe over Paul, his overall threat to score coupled with his elite for SG passing ability allowed him to create more chaos amongst opposing defenses, he was harder to game plan against and his defense was better than Paul who was around neutral while kobe was a slight positive.

[Dr Spaceman]

1. Steve Nash 2007
2. Charles Barkley 1993
3. Chris Paul 2015

[trex_8063]

Thru post #47:

Tracy McGrady - 23
Kobe Bryant - 22
Chris Paul - 11
Charles Barkley - 10
Moses Malone - 10
Steve Nash - 3
Karl Malone - 3
Bob McAdoo - 1

Calling it for Tracy McGrady. Will have the #23 thread up in a moment....