NBA Superstars production in playoffs based on faced defenses

70sFan · Post #41 » by **70sFan** » Sun May 26, 2019 4:43 pm

G35 wrote:Can you add Barkley? From my eye test/memory it was rare for him to struggle in the PS.....

I added Barkley, he's extremely good against good defensive teams but even he regressed against the best defenses he faced (though he was still above average in terms of efficiency and very good in turnover economy).

70sFan · Post #42 » by **70sFan** » Sun May 26, 2019 5:58 pm

Added Dirk. He's extremely consistent regadless of what defense he faced (and he faced a lot of great defensive teams). He had outstanding tov economy and elite scoring efficiency. So far one of the better players in this project against elite defenses (only Shaq, Kareem and maybe Wilt can be compared to him in that aspect).

E-Balla · Post #43 » by **E-Balla** » Thu May 30, 2019 4:31 am

Late as hell on this but just saw Ewing and the PFs. Ewing comes out better than DRob against all but bad defenses, KG looks surprisingly good up until you get to good and ATG defenses but it seems kind of random, and Tim Duncan looks... Meh. I can only think of his performances against the Pistons as qualifying as ATG defenses but damn his performances are meh.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #44 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Thu May 30, 2019 5:03 am

I just realized thinking basketball on YouTube is Elgee from RealGm.

His videos are fantastic.

70sFan · Post #45 » by **70sFan** » Thu May 30, 2019 5:54 am

E-Balla wrote:Late as hell on this but just saw Ewing and the PFs. Ewing comes out better than DRob against all but bad defenses, KG looks surprisingly good up until you get to good and ATG defenses but it seems kind of random, and Tim Duncan looks... Meh. I can only think of his performances against the Pistons as qualifying as ATG defenses but damn his performances are meh.

Duncan wasn't all-time great scorer so it's easy to understand that he struggled against some great defensive teams as a clear first option. He still looks comparable to Hakeem against -4.0 rDRtg or better teams and he looks better than Hakeem and Ewing in terms of apg/tov.
This project convinced me that Hakeem was better scorer than Duncan though. Sometimes we have to take out our biases.

E-Balla · Post #46 » by **E-Balla** » Thu May 30, 2019 5:58 am

70sFan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Late as hell on this but just saw Ewing and the PFs. Ewing comes out better than DRob against all but bad defenses, KG looks surprisingly good up until you get to good and ATG defenses but it seems kind of random, and Tim Duncan looks... Meh. I can only think of his performances against the Pistons as qualifying as ATG defenses but damn his performances are meh.

Duncan wasn't all-time great scorer so it's easy to understand that he struggled against some great defensive teams as a clear first option. He still looks comparable to Hakeem against -4.0 rDRtg or better teams and he looks better than Hakeem and Ewing in terms of apg/tov.
This project convinced me that Hakeem was better scorer than Duncan though. Sometimes we have to take out our biases.

Yeah I'd say it actually showed me Hakeem wasn't as great as I thought he was, just had easy competition. Still when considering his competition head to head at his position his performances become more impressive (I mean the 95 Magic were a bad defense but Shaq was a great man defender).

And I expected Duncan to look better than Ewing anyway, that wasn't in question lol. Ewing did come out looking pretty fine all things considered.

70sFan · Post #47 » by **70sFan** » Thu May 30, 2019 6:14 am

E-Balla wrote:
70sFan wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Late as hell on this but just saw Ewing and the PFs. Ewing comes out better than DRob against all but bad defenses, KG looks surprisingly good up until you get to good and ATG defenses but it seems kind of random, and Tim Duncan looks... Meh. I can only think of his performances against the Pistons as qualifying as ATG defenses but damn his performances are meh.

Duncan wasn't all-time great scorer so it's easy to understand that he struggled against some great defensive teams as a clear first option. He still looks comparable to Hakeem against -4.0 rDRtg or better teams and he looks better than Hakeem and Ewing in terms of apg/tov.
This project convinced me that Hakeem was better scorer than Duncan though. Sometimes we have to take out our biases.

Yeah I'd say it actually showed me Hakeem wasn't as great as I thought he was, just had easy competition. Still when considering his competition head to head at his position his performances become more impressive (I mean the 95 Magic were a bad defense but Shaq was a great man defender).

And I expected Duncan to look better than Ewing anyway, that wasn't in question lol. Ewing did come out looking pretty fine all things considered.

Another winner from this thread is Dirk Nowitzki - he's extremely consistent and can give you similar production no matter who he plays against.

70sFan · Post #48 » by **70sFan** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:37 pm

I'M COMING BACK

I added Karl Malone and Bob Pettit to the list. Unless someone wants to see another great PF, I'll move one to small forwards (that's right, LeBron is first

)

70sFan · Post #49 » by **70sFan** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:15 pm

Added LeBron, some intersting notes can be made but let's see what you think

E-Balla · Post #50 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:38 pm

Basically what I expected with LeBron. If anything was shocking it was his lack of volume against ATG defenses but I assume 07 drags that down?

70sFan · Post #51 » by **70sFan** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:43 pm

E-Balla wrote:Basically what I expected with LeBron. If anything was shocking it was his lack of volume against ATG defenses but I assume 07 drags that down?

I didn't use 2007 for James.

Colbinii · Post #52 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 10:09 pm

E-Balla wrote:Basically what I expected with LeBron. If anything was shocking it was his lack of volume against ATG defenses but I assume 07 drags that down?

I assume it is the 2013 Finals and 2011 against Bulls.

E-Balla · Post #53 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 10:54 pm

Awwhh good catch y'all. Can't be 2013 Finals though they were a -4 defense, it's the 2014 ECF against Indy.

70sFan · Post #54 » by **70sFan** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 7:55 am

Colbinii wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Basically what I expected with LeBron. If anything was shocking it was his lack of volume against ATG defenses but I assume 07 drags that down?

I assume it is the 2013 Finals and 2011 against Bulls.

2008 vs Celtics
2011 vs Bulls
2011 vs Celtics
2014 vs Pacers

E-Balla · Post #55 » by **E-Balla** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:06 pm

70sFan wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Basically what I expected with LeBron. If anything was shocking it was his lack of volume against ATG defenses but I assume 07 drags that down?

I assume it is the 2013 Finals and 2011 against Bulls.

2008 vs Celtics
2011 vs Bulls
2011 vs Celtics
2014 vs Pacers

My god the 2011 Celtics were a -7 defense? I knew they were amazing but I remember them slacking in the regular season by then that's kind of amazing.

Colbinii · Post #56 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 3:07 pm

E-Balla wrote:
70sFan wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
I assume it is the 2013 Finals and 2011 against Bulls.

2008 vs Celtics
2011 vs Bulls
2011 vs Celtics
2014 vs Pacers

My god the 2011 Celtics were a -7 defense? I knew they were amazing but I remember them slacking in the regular season by then that's kind of amazing.

LeBron played back to back -7 defenses

HHera187 · Post #57 » by **HHera187** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 3:24 pm

Amazing work.

Sent from my CLT-L09 using RealGM mobile app

RSCD3_ · Post #58 » by **RSCD3_** » Wed Jul 3, 2019 1:54 am

Cant wait to see Durant, Erving, Bird and the other great Small forwards.

Outstanding job compiling all this

70sFan · Post #59 » by **70sFan** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 12:03 pm

Added Durant, Bird and Erving.

70sFan · Post #60 » by **70sFan** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 12:04 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:Cant wait to see Durant, Erving, Bird and the other great Small forwards.

Outstanding job compiling all this

They are up