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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#41 » by cpower » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:45 pm

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Them explicitly not being the best in the West at the moment remains the best rebuttal. They're tied in record with 2 other teams in conference and the Thunder still have a better net rating for the moment. But they are rising, so we'll see what happens. Steph's had a couple of huge games recently, so we'll see what happens when he settles back down to earth for a few games.

They smacked the Thunder just this week. I don’t even think we should count the Thunder, who are now basically a cross-off, due to Chet and Hartenstein being hurt. Without those two they’ll do nothing.

So who else is there? The Suns? KD is already hurt and Nurkic is unplayable in this matchup. They aren’t going to be able to score consistently vs GS. They basically have no weaknesses

lets see what happens when Curry has a below average game...i think the biggest problem on this roster is lack of 2nd offensive star who can score on half court defense. Surely Hield has been good most of the time but he starts to come down to the earth and JK/Podz is not good enough to carry the load.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#42 » by tsherkin » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:48 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:They smacked the Thunder just this week. I don’t even think we should count the Thunder, who are now basically a cross-off, due to Chet and Hartenstein being hurt. Without those two they’ll do nothing.

So who else is there? The Suns? KD is already hurt and Nurkic is unplayable in this matchup. They aren’t going to be able to score consistently vs GS. They basically have no weaknesses


Single game doesn't really mean anything to me, so I will continue to wait and see.

Warriors are rising, but again, Curry's been rocking 36-point games and the like. We'll see what happens on an average or below-average night/stretch.

Golden State is definitely up there, but we'll also see who's where and who's playing at the end of the year.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#43 » by parsnips33 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:09 pm

Warriors 3-0 this year without Steph, for whatever (little) that's worth
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#44 » by EmpireFalls » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:49 pm

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Them explicitly not being the best in the West at the moment remains the best rebuttal. They're tied in record with 2 other teams in conference and the Thunder still have a better net rating for the moment. But they are rising, so we'll see what happens. Steph's had a couple of huge games recently, so we'll see what happens when he settles back down to earth for a few games.

They smacked the Thunder just this week. I don’t even think we should count the Thunder, who are now basically a cross-off, due to Chet and Hartenstein being hurt. Without those two they’ll do nothing.

So who else is there? The Suns? KD is already hurt and Nurkic is unplayable in this matchup. They aren’t going to be able to score consistently vs GS. They basically have no weaknesses

lets see what happens when Curry has a below average game...i think the biggest problem on this roster is lack of 2nd offensive star who can score on half court defense. Surely Hield has been good most of the time but he starts to come down to the earth and JK/Podz is not good enough to carry the load.

You mean like when they went 3-0 with a +13 net rating without Curry even playing?

They’re demolishing teams when they don’t even have Steph! This is the best team in the West.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#45 » by tsherkin » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:59 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:You mean like when they went 3-0 with a +13 net rating without Curry even playing?

They’re demolishing teams when they don’t even have Steph! This is the best team in the West.


That's 3 games. No one sane cares about 3 RS games where guys shot unreal, unsustainable percentages, c'mon.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#46 » by Outside » Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:09 pm

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Them explicitly not being the best in the West at the moment remains the best rebuttal. They're tied in record with 2 other teams in conference and the Thunder still have a better net rating for the moment. But they are rising, so we'll see what happens. Steph's had a couple of huge games recently, so we'll see what happens when he settles back down to earth for a few games.

They smacked the Thunder just this week. I don’t even think we should count the Thunder, who are now basically a cross-off, due to Chet and Hartenstein being hurt. Without those two they’ll do nothing.

So who else is there? The Suns? KD is already hurt and Nurkic is unplayable in this matchup. They aren’t going to be able to score consistently vs GS. They basically have no weaknesses

I'm a huge Warriors fan but a realistic one. Saying they "basically have no weaknesses" is absurd.

No reliable second scorer. They're doing it by committee, and that has advantages, but it also has disadvantages, especially come playoff time. If they get 2022 Wiggins, if Hield can do this against playoff defenses, if Melton and Moody and Kuminga and the rest can be consistent in the postseason. If.

Lack of size. Trace Jackson-Davis and Kevon Looney are both really backup-type guys who are filling in. Draymond does great at the five for stretches, but did you see him hugging Klay last night? Klay was taller that Dray, and it wasn't just the Klay-fro. The only guy on the roster taller than 6-9 is Quenten Post, who is a rookie stretch 4 who is going to spend most of his time in Santa Cruz. Against teams with real size, it's an issue.

Steph turns 37 in March. He's in phenomenal shape and still performs at an exceptional level, but durability is an issue. It's nice that they're 3-0 without him this season, but that isn't how it's always going to go.

The defense has been successful so far, but it's somewhat gimmicky, and it could be vulnerable to schemes by quality coaches in a postseason series. It's a high-risk, high-reward defense, and teams will figure out how to exploit the risk side of things. We'll see what else Stackhouse has in his bag of tricks, but it's an unknown that hasn't been truly tested.

Get real. Even the best teams of all time have weaknesses. I like what I'm seeing, and there's a lot to be hopeful about. That should be good enough without prematurely crowning the Dubs as Western Conference champs and figuring where to slot them on the GOAT team list.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#47 » by TroubleS0me » Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:48 am

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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#48 » by tsherkin » Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:15 pm

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This will settle. And likely below that record, as their shooting begins to settle a little. But it's still big punch. They look much, much better than last season.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#49 » by cpower » Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:54 pm

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This will settle. And likely below that record, as their shooting begins to settle a little. But it's still big punch. They look much, much better than last season.

This will settle a bit but will continue to be the trend since Kerr really like to pair Curry with non scorer so that his bench will save the starting 5 down the stretch.
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Post#50 » by parsnips33 » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:06 pm

Hoping Melton injury isn't too bad. He's been great when he's played
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#51 » by tsherkin » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:18 pm

cpower wrote:This will settle a bit but will continue to be the trend since Kerr really like to pair Curry with non scorer so that his bench will save the starting 5 down the stretch.


Yeah, I mean even when it settles, I'm sure the bench will remain pretty good. They've got Hield and Kuminga coming off the bench, and both Melton and Moody have been shooting well off the bench as well. Although I guess Melton has started the last 2. But anyway, they have choices and options, and depth, which is the important part.

I just meant that the tweet about the record-setting PPG is probably a bit early, that's all.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#52 » by parsnips33 » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:31 pm

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cpower wrote:This will settle a bit but will continue to be the trend since Kerr really like to pair Curry with non scorer so that his bench will save the starting 5 down the stretch.


Yeah, I mean even when it settles, I'm sure the bench will remain pretty good. They've got Hield and Kuminga coming off the bench, and both Melton and Moody have been shooting well off the bench as well. Although I guess Melton has started the last 2. But anyway, they have choices and options, and depth, which is the important part.

I just meant that the tweet about the record-setting PPG is probably a bit early, that's all.


Melton probably locked in at starting 2 once he's back from this current sprain
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#53 » by tsherkin » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:35 pm

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cpower wrote:This will settle a bit but will continue to be the trend since Kerr really like to pair Curry with non scorer so that his bench will save the starting 5 down the stretch.


Yeah, I mean even when it settles, I'm sure the bench will remain pretty good. They've got Hield and Kuminga coming off the bench, and both Melton and Moody have been shooting well off the bench as well. Although I guess Melton has started the last 2. But anyway, they have choices and options, and depth, which is the important part.

I just meant that the tweet about the record-setting PPG is probably a bit early, that's all.


Melton probably locked in at starting 2 once he's back from this current sprain


Yeah, but like I was saying, regardless, they have enough options that the bench is going to likely continue looking good.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#54 » by parsnips33 » Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:48 pm

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Yeah, I mean even when it settles, I'm sure the bench will remain pretty good. They've got Hield and Kuminga coming off the bench, and both Melton and Moody have been shooting well off the bench as well. Although I guess Melton has started the last 2. But anyway, they have choices and options, and depth, which is the important part.

I just meant that the tweet about the record-setting PPG is probably a bit early, that's all.


Melton probably locked in at starting 2 once he's back from this current sprain


Yeah, but like I was saying, regardless, they have enough options that the bench is going to likely continue looking good.


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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#55 » by ShotCreator » Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:08 am

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ShotCreator wrote:Actually a crazy start. The only thing that can account for this is coaching. This has to be Kerr's best performance ever. He managed to optimize this same core into a title level team by all indications. Absolutely no one saw this coming.


There are no indications a team is a title level through 10 games coming off of a season where they missed the playoffs the season prior. Right now Hield is shooting out of his mind and its not like they added a top 20 player or are getting back a top 20 player from injury. So I mean maybe they are still a top 3 seed come April but there's a difference between contending for a top 4 seed and being title level.

Being a +14 team through 10 games is a good enough indicator. 10 games is half or more than half of a playoff run.

They're good everywhere. I don't really look at record with this stuff. Blowing teams away without Stephen Curry and De'Anthony Melton is a very good indicator of extremely high levels of play.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#56 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:40 am

ShotCreator wrote:Being a +14 team through 10 games is a good enough indicator. 10 games is half or more than half of a playoff run.

They're good everywhere. I don't really look at record with this stuff. Blowing teams away without Stephen Curry and De'Anthony Melton is a very good indicator of extremely high levels of play.


Hard to say if they will really be standing out in the west 30 or so games from now. I think the west is 5-6 deep in contenders to win it and whichever team wins it will be a major dog to the Celtics if they are healthy and win the east.
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Re: Stephen Curry 24-25 NBA Season Thread 

Post#57 » by cpower » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:40 am

It's quite amazing that Kerr will leave the better players (Looney Podz Anderson Hield JK) on the bench and start much worse players like TDJ GP2 Walters Moody...etc...He's got a master plan that the bench will absolutely demolish the other team's bench while his starting lineup gets beat down by other teams starting 5 every game. Has this ever happen in the league before?
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