Elpolo_14 wrote:Thanks for sharing. I understand why you prefer to Rank base on Role/Position due to their important depending on the Era and System there were in. Also it hard enough to rank thru era.
By Your Name I would have thought you might rank older Player Higher especially the 70s( lol ).
Surprisingly enough you have current/ more modern Player really high ( which I do agree on for the most part ).
Some people may not realize, but I just like basketball. I like all basketball eras and I watch footage from all NBA seasons I can.
I think I have older players high relative to the rest in the lower part of the list, but that is because I just know more oldschool players than most people at my age and I understand how good they were. Outside of top tier superstars, most people just don't care about the 1970 players like Paul Westphal or Bobby Dandridge.
I try to be objective with my ranking and I don't always succeed, but the era you play in has no influence on my ranking.
Also - I have to specify that my ranking is only within shotclock era, so I don't have pre-1955 guys here.
Seeing SGA / Giannis / Jokic already being the top echelon of their Role/Position is great ( Giannis deserve some more love by the fans IMO )
SGA just had top tier RS performance, backed up with solid postseason performance (even with clear regression). Guards competition just isn't strong enough to put him much lower, although I can see him at the bottom of his tier.
I have many problems with Giannis offense (even more so than with KG's), but his two-way impact is undeniable.
Jokic is extremely good, he approaches GOAT-level offense territory and he's not a bad defender. I can see him even higher than that, but his competition is just immense.
Weirdly I don't think Shaq placement is unpredictable by all the discussion and PoV you put up about Shaq since this peak Project start which is really helpful cause it made me interested to Go rewatch many game/footage of the 2000 Playoff run to make me realize that my Nostalgia was pushing Shaq Higher than He should have been by my Criteria to Value certain aspects of the Game. I do think it made "TOP 10 All-time" go rewatch some film and end up with the same conclusion or close to it ( that Shaq was overvalued ).
Again, I think it is the center competition that makes it so hard. Jokic pushed Shaq to the 7th spot among big guys, but that could still put him inside top 10 overall.
I personally got massive amount of appreciation of his offensive game with deeper dive. I think people misunderstand how he impacted the game on that end. It's not about his low post scoring isolations and dunks on helpless defenders (that happened only 1-2 times per game at most, he wasn't that great when you can actually give him some resistance) but it's all about his off-ball movement, aggressiveness, quick and simple decisions with the ball and without it. Shaq didn't estimate risks too often and it usually ended up really well for his team.
I do dislike his defense though and I don't see 2000 as some kind of outlier great season from him on that end. He's a guy with a few extreme strengths (post defense, ridiculous length, immovable base) but he had plenty of weaknesses that were exploited back then - even without pace and space (I don't care much about time machine argument). It is not only about his mobility - I knew really well that he wasn't good at guarding space - but also about the basic bigmen fundamentals like positioning, help d awareness, timing in contests and rotations etc. Shaq's offensive craftiness is underrated, but he possessed very little of that on the other side of the court.
I have been really committed on watching Jokic these past 3 year ( cause the the best player in the world ) but maybe Could have miss something. So I wanna know what make jokic higher than Shaq for you?
Nothing extraordinary - I just think that Jokic clears Shaq on offense due to the variety of things he can do at top tier level. Jokic also is the rare case of someone who could (only to some degree) replicate Shaq's offensive potency in the post and on the offensive glass. Joker's shooting touch in the paint also makes me wonder if he's not the best post player ever - even though he doesn't have the volume of other ATG post players.
Personally the only thing I disagree with is how high Larry bird is , but I can see where that placement is coming from.
This ranking would put Bird at the end of top 20 probably, where do you have him in comparison?
How the hell is Joel Embiid outside the top 10 center peaks. Joel Embiid is ahead of Bill Walton peak for peak, I need explanation here of how DROB and MOSES is even approaching Embiid peak for peak here.
. Personally I cannot take D.rob peak so high.