2022-23 NBA Season Discussion

[jalengreen]

Semirelated but I’m so curious what the 2023 season would look like if lottery odds didn’t exist and it was just NFL style (worst record = first pick). It would be an awful idea of course but I wonder how blatant and extreme the tank for Vic would get

[penbeast0]

I am not saying a team that tanks is incompetent. Like RCM88x, I think the incompetent teams are those who every year struggle to try to reach the bottom rung of the playoffs but who DONT tank given the current incentives. I just hate seeing pure tanking and think that incentivizing wins even for those who don't make the playoffs will make for better basketball; though probably longer rebuilds for the competent teams who know how to make the system work for them.

The incompetent teams like Washington or Sacramento would probably instead trade away their draft choices that turn into great players for good players that they think will improve them, but incompetence will almost always be rewarded eventually.

[RCM88x]

I really wish they would give the highest ping pong ball reward in the draft to the team that finished with the BEST record that didn't make the playoffs, then the 2nd, then the lowest team that did make the playoffs, etc. That way everyone tries to win and the really really bad teams slowly accumulate talent to when they get a top star, he has a reasonable team around him.

Harder to market for the incompetent franchises though.

The irony here is there I feel recently the teams that consistently miss the playoffs but never bottom out are more incompetent than the teams at the very bottom.

Perhaps there could be a rule around consistently poor finishes? Like if you have the worst record more than two seasons in a row your lottery odds are harmed going forward or something like that.

Honestly I don't think tanking is nearly as big of an issue the last couple seasons as it was in the years before the bubble season. But we need more sample with the current format to really tell I think.

Is Washington, Charlotte or Atlanta more competent than Orlando, Houston and Oklahoma City?

Atlanta yes but the other two no.

[MartinToVaught]

Read on Twitter

Woah. This is stunning. Wonder if it's a dispute between him and the Spurs or if he's just tired of coaching.

[HeartBreakKid]

I really wish they would give the highest ping pong ball reward in the draft to the team that finished with the BEST record that didn't make the playoffs, then the 2nd, then the lowest team that did make the playoffs, etc. That way everyone tries to win and the really really bad teams slowly accumulate talent to when they get a top star, he has a reasonable team around him.

Harder to market for the incompetent franchises though.

Everyone wouldn't try to win though. People would then start tanking out of the Playoffs which is a very bad look.

Would you rather have the #1 pick in the draft or be the 8th seed?

[penbeast0]

Everyone wouldn't try to win though. People would then start tanking out of the Playoffs which is a very bad look.

Would you rather have the #1 pick in the draft or be the 8th seed?

That's why the 3rd most pingpong balls IS a playoff team rather than it being a drastic drop to nothing. That should keep tanking down especially considering the extra revenue from the playoff games. Sucks for the 30th team but someone has to be screwed.

[jalengreen]

My favorite guys in the draft this season, no Sharpe or internationals:

Tier 1
Chet Holmgren

Tier 2
Jabari Smith
Keegan Murray
Paolo Banchero
Tari Eason
Jaden Ivey

Tier 3
Jeremy Sochan
AJ Griffin
Dyson Daniels
EJ Liddell
Mark Williams
Jalen Duren
Walker Kessler
Ochai Agbaji
Wendell Moore
Bennedict Mathurin
TyTy Washington
Johnny Davis

nice list, out of curiosity why so high on eason?

really like what i've seen from eason so far in SL, i get why you rated him as high as you did

[falcolombardi]

My favorite guys in the draft this season, no Sharpe or internationals:

Tier 1
Chet Holmgren

Tier 2
Jabari Smith
Keegan Murray
Paolo Banchero
Tari Eason
Jaden Ivey

Tier 3
Jeremy Sochan
AJ Griffin
Dyson Daniels
EJ Liddell
Mark Williams
Jalen Duren
Walker Kessler
Ochai Agbaji
Wendell Moore
Bennedict Mathurin
TyTy Washington
Johnny Davis

nice list, out of curiosity why so high on eason?

really like what i've seen from eason so far in SL, i get why you rated him as high as you did

How good do you think chet can become in a realistic best case scenario?

What separates his profile and skillset from wenbayama?

[HeartBreakKid]

Everyone wouldn't try to win though. People would then start tanking out of the Playoffs which is a very bad look.

Would you rather have the #1 pick in the draft or be the 8th seed?

That's why the 3rd most pingpong balls IS a playoff team rather than it being a drastic drop to nothing. That should keep tanking down especially considering the extra revenue from the playoff games. Sucks for the 30th team but someone has to be screwed.

I see, I missed that detail.

[ronnymac2]

Hey, what does everybody think of Christian Wood to the Mavs? I missed that one apparently.

[Colbinii]

nice list, out of curiosity why so high on eason?

really like what i've seen from eason so far in SL, i get why you rated him as high as you did

How good do you think chet can become in a realistic best case scenario?

What separates his profile and skillset from wenbayama?

Wenbayama has a larger frame and is significantly stronger than Chet. Wenbayama is currently 25-30 lbs heavier than Chet [195-200 to 225-230].

Wenbayama's best case is Rudy Gobert defensively but with Kristaps Porzingis offensive game. Health permitted, that's a perennial MVP and best player in league by a mile player.

Chet is a bit more fluid, better handle and passer. Wenbayama is still good in this regard and for his size is tremendously talented, but Chet moves a bit better on the court.

Chet is similar to Mobley, longer but skinnier yet a much better shooter and passer offensively.

[falcolombardi]

really like what i've seen from eason so far in SL, i get why you rated him as high as you did

How good do you think chet can become in a realistic best case scenario?

What separates his profile and skillset from wenbayama?

Wenbayama has a larger frame and is significantly stronger than Chet. Wenbayama is currently 25-30 lbs heavier than Chet [195-200 to 225-230].

Wenbayama's best case is Rudy Gobert defensively but with Kristaps Porzingis offensive game. Health permitted, that's a perennial MVP and best player in league by a mile player.

Chet is a bit more fluid, better handle and passer. Wenbayama is still good in this regard and for his size is tremendously talented, but Chet moves a bit better on the court.

Chet is similar to Mobley, longer but skinnier yet a much better shooter and passer offensively.

Do you think porzingis offense is so much better than gobert to go from gobert level to easy besy player in the league level?

That seems hard to imagine

[Colbinii]

How good do you think chet can become in a realistic best case scenario?

What separates his profile and skillset from wenbayama?

Wenbayama has a larger frame and is significantly stronger than Chet. Wenbayama is currently 25-30 lbs heavier than Chet [195-200 to 225-230].

Wenbayama's best case is Rudy Gobert defensively but with Kristaps Porzingis offensive game. Health permitted, that's a perennial MVP and best player in league by a mile player.

Chet is a bit more fluid, better handle and passer. Wenbayama is still good in this regard and for his size is tremendously talented, but Chet moves a bit better on the court.

Chet is similar to Mobley, longer but skinnier yet a much better shooter and passer offensively.

Do you think porzingis offense is so much better than gobert to go from gobert level to easy besy player in the league level?

That seems hard to imagine

37-40% 3P shooter, super strong and massive, elite pick and roll roll-man and also popper.

Yeah, I think Gobert with a 3P shot and better offensive skills is the best player by a mile.

[falcolombardi]

Wenbayama has a larger frame and is significantly stronger than Chet. Wenbayama is currently 25-30 lbs heavier than Chet [195-200 to 225-230].

Wenbayama's best case is Rudy Gobert defensively but with Kristaps Porzingis offensive game. Health permitted, that's a perennial MVP and best player in league by a mile player.

Chet is a bit more fluid, better handle and passer. Wenbayama is still good in this regard and for his size is tremendously talented, but Chet moves a bit better on the court.

Chet is similar to Mobley, longer but skinnier yet a much better shooter and passer offensively.

Do you think porzingis offense is so much better than gobert to go from gobert level to easy besy player in the league level?

That seems hard to imagine

37-40% 3P shooter, super strong and massive, elite pick and roll roll-man and also popper.

Yeah, I think Gobert with a 3P shot and better offensive skills is the best player by a mile.

I buy the shooting part but does he really move the needle with his strenght as face up, finisher or post up player? What about passing, finishing or offensive rebounding?

[LukaTheGOAT]

Do you think porzingis offense is so much better than gobert to go from gobert level to easy besy player in the league level?

That seems hard to imagine

37-40% 3P shooter, super strong and massive, elite pick and roll roll-man and also popper.

Yeah, I think Gobert with a 3P shot and better offensive skills is the best player by a mile.

I buy the shooting part but does he really move the needle with his strenght as face up, finisher or post up player? What about passing, finishing or offensive rebounding?

I compare Wemby to KG. I don't ever think he will be a great driver because his quickness nor strength is there. He can handle but similar to KG i dont think he is terrific in thos area in the half-court. But I think he could be a really good offensive rebounder. He's a dynamic passer and could be prolific in the league. I think he can be a great finisher off lobs similar to Gobert and perhaps can self-create and finish just because he is so outlier long and tall.

Some believe KG would be better today than he was in his own time period. I don't agree with the sentiment of the tweet below but I suppose the hope is Wemby could be something like modern-day KG

Read on Twitter

[eminence]

Might have to change my logo back already

[MyUniBroDavis]

Do you think porzingis offense is so much better than gobert to go from gobert level to easy besy player in the league level?

That seems hard to imagine

37-40% 3P shooter, super strong and massive, elite pick and roll roll-man and also popper.

Yeah, I think Gobert with a 3P shot and better offensive skills is the best player by a mile.

I buy the shooting part but does he really move the needle with his strenght as face up, finisher or post up player? What about passing, finishing or offensive rebounding?

Isn’t this just Myles turner with a bit worse defense lol

[Colbinii]

37-40% 3P shooter, super strong and massive, elite pick and roll roll-man and also popper.

Yeah, I think Gobert with a 3P shot and better offensive skills is the best player by a mile.

I buy the shooting part but does he really move the needle with his strenght as face up, finisher or post up player? What about passing, finishing or offensive rebounding?

Isn’t this just Myles turner with a bit worse defense lol

If Myles Turner was 7' 3" and could create off the dribble, sure!

[MyUniBroDavis]

I buy the shooting part but does he really move the needle with his strenght as face up, finisher or post up player? What about passing, finishing or offensive rebounding?

Isn’t this just Myles turner with a bit worse defense lol

If Myles Turner was 7' 3" and could create off the dribble, sure!

I was talking about Gobert lol

[falcolombardi]

37-40% 3P shooter, super strong and massive, elite pick and roll roll-man and also popper.

Yeah, I think Gobert with a 3P shot and better offensive skills is the best player by a mile.

I buy the shooting part but does he really move the needle with his strenght as face up, finisher or post up player? What about passing, finishing or offensive rebounding?

Isn’t this just Myles turner with a bit worse defense lol

That is what i meant, like sure, if gobert had a 3 point shot that would be cool for versatility

But gobert as a good but not great shooter does really move the needle much compared to gobert the offensive rebounder/rolling man?

Like utah offenses were already excellent, how much better are they supposed to be if you switch rebounding and pick and roll plays for a extra 3 point shooter spacing the floor?

Is why i was a bit perplexed by the idea that gobert with a fine 3 point shot becomes the best player in the league.... i think you would need to give him towns shooting at minimum for that to actually be a discussion and maybe not even then

and i am high on gobert but i think peopke overstimate what a good but not great spot up shooting big actually helps compared to good offensive rebounding or solid finishing bigs help

I dont think al horford with gobert defense is the best player in the league for example, and i dont think myles turner is more vakuable offensively than steven adams or clint capela