The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 2)

[WestGOAT]

So cute to see how people are doing their best to be contrarian when it comes to acknowledging Steph. His team has made the finals for a second year in a row with him being absolutely key for them. How is he not having one of the greatest seasons in history?

[Krodis]

I think with Curry and the Warriors in the playoffs, they look a little mortal at times because with the right preparation you can do things defensively to slow them down a little. The problem is the energy required to play that way seems to be way too much over a 7 game series. The Cavs made it 3 games last year. The Thunder lasted about 6 this year before running out of gas. It's just so so hard to be constantly worried about people 30 feet from the basket.

[MyUniBroDavis]

curry since coming back from injury is averaging 28.5/6.5/6.6 in 36.5 minutes at 60.5 TS

In a 10 game playoff season, the only people I can find that can beat that number that have top 20 peaks are Kareem, west, Lebron. And Jordan. (Didn't count the Aba) but dr J beats the mark as well
95 Hakeem ties it. Shaq does too. (Though it's 36 vs 36.5 so I suppose they beat it)

Iirc, out of those guys only Jordan did it more than once (he did it a lot though)

In 10 game stretches or in the first 10 playoff games?

Playoff years with more than 10 games played

There are other people that beat him I'm pretty sure but those r the only guys that beat him that are consensus top 20 iirc.

[JulesWinnfield]

I think with Curry and the Warriors in the playoffs, they look a little mortal at times because with the right preparation you can do things defensively to slow them down a little. The problem is the energy required to play that way seems to be way too much over a 7 game series. The Cavs made it 3 games last year. The Thunder lasted about 6 this year before running out of gas. It's just so so hard to be constantly worried about people 30 feet from the basket.

Great point. It's exceedingly annoying as a fan rooting against them too, constant tension on the edge of your seat because at any moment Steph or Klay can let one fly directly out of their butt, there is no let up. Just constant breath holding and finger crossing, the threat is always there

[Doctor MJ]

I've never missed as hard on a guy becoming a star when I projected them not to, as I have on Steph Curry.

Steph Curry is what happens when you turn the 3pt slider up to 100, and it doesn't matter how you release the shot, it just goes in


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It occurred to me as basketball games have acknowledge an inability to show Curry's full abilities that probably the answer is that Curry should be given shooting abilities that are greater than 100, as the whole issue is that Curry is totally off-the-charts compared to what we thought humans could do.

(Of course long-term, the scale simply needs to be adjusted as at this point both Steph & Klay are off the charts. So insane the way they showed up on the same team.)

[MyUniBroDavis]

I've never missed as hard on a guy becoming a star when I projected them not to, as I have on Steph Curry.

Steph Curry is what happens when you turn the 3pt slider up to 100, and it doesn't matter how you release the shot, it just goes in


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It occurred to me as basketball games have acknowledge an inability to show Curry's full abilities that probably the answer is that Curry should be given shooting abilities that are greater than 100, as the whole issue is that Curry is totally off-the-charts compared to what we thought humans could do.

(Of course long-term, the scale simply needs to be adjusted as at this point both Steph & Klay are off the charts. So insane the way they showed up on the same team.)

They tried doing something like that during a patch and that made him too good from behind the arc

"But that's how it is in real life"

27/39 from 3 in 5 games would disagree with you. Basketball games have trouble simulating real life for obvious reasons. Teams shoot 60+% and 45+% from 3 if you know what ur doing

Imo, just add a contested shot making stat for each distance, and a how deep can you make the shot stat.and a better off the dribble shot stat and adjust the scale so curry's at a 99 and the average star is at 65

It took a long time for curry to even max out his shot in game lol, also the devs suck at rating players, 1998 Jordan ranks higher than 86 bird, 87 magic, 2013 Lebron, etc, while current Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, etc are rated better than peak Hakeem

[Nbafanatic]

I've never missed as hard on a guy becoming a star when I projected them not to, as I have on Steph Curry.

Steph Curry is what happens when you turn the 3pt slider up to 100, and it doesn't matter how you release the shot, it just goes in


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

It occurred to me as basketball games have acknowledge an inability to show Curry's full abilities that probably the answer is that Curry should be given shooting abilities that are greater than 100, as the whole issue is that Curry is totally off-the-charts compared to what we thought humans could do.

(Of course long-term, the scale simply needs to be adjusted as at this point both Steph & Klay are off the charts. So insane the way they showed up on the same team.)

They tried doing something like that during a patch and that made him too good from behind the arc

"But that's how it is in real life"

27/39 from 3 in 5 games would disagree with you. Basketball games have trouble simulating real life for obvious reasons. Teams shoot 60+% and 45+% from 3 if you know what ur doing

Imo, just add a contested shot making stat for each distance, and a how deep can you make the shot stat.and a better off the dribble shot stat and adjust the scale so curry's at a 99 and the average star is at 65

It took a long time for curry to even max out his shot in game lol, also the devs suck at rating players, 1998 Jordan ranks higher than 86 bird, 87 magic, 2013 Lebron, etc, while current Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, etc are rated better than peak Hakeem

Some good points here. It is really amazing because by playing 2k on the hall of fame level with normal offensive sliders, it's really not possible to replicate the type of shooting the splash brothers are capable of doing in real life. Talking about Curry, they could add as you said, an off the dribble shot, but also an "off the dribble contested shot" and then add the distance. Curry would be 99, and a guy like Lillard could be 77, and Trevor Booker could have some potencial to develop better, starting at something like 67. But then people would had to really master the dribble moves, to be able to create the right separation, it would be fun as hell. Klay would present some challenge as well, he doesn't have the dribble prowess, but he is more than a typical catch and shoot player. He can do the one drible pull up, and the shot fake then rise for a shot, even contested, he would be something to be worked on, too. And how about the CPU defensive IQ? They would have to be programmed on either to do hard traps against these guys, or precise switches, and even on those off ball pin downs, they would have to switch as well... I'm really curious for the work on NBA 2k17.

[BasketballFan7]

I've never missed as hard on a guy becoming a star when I projected them not to, as I have on Steph Curry.

Steph Curry is what happens when you turn the 3pt slider up to 100, and it doesn't matter how you release the shot, it just goes in


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

It occurred to me as basketball games have acknowledge an inability to show Curry's full abilities that probably the answer is that Curry should be given shooting abilities that are greater than 100, as the whole issue is that Curry is totally off-the-charts compared to what we thought humans could do.

(Of course long-term, the scale simply needs to be adjusted as at this point both Steph & Klay are off the charts. So insane the way they showed up on the same team.)

They tried doing something like that during a patch and that made him too good from behind the arc

"But that's how it is in real life"

27/39 from 3 in 5 games would disagree with you. Basketball games have trouble simulating real life for obvious reasons. Teams shoot 60+% and 45+% from 3 if you know what ur doing

Imo, just add a contested shot making stat for each distance, and a how deep can you make the shot stat.and a better off the dribble shot stat and adjust the scale so curry's at a 99 and the average star is at 65

It took a long time for curry to even max out his shot in game lol, also the devs suck at rating players, 1998 Jordan ranks higher than 86 bird, 87 magic, 2013 Lebron, etc, while current Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, etc are rated better than peak Hakeem

Yeah, they have 96 Jordan as the GOAT, 07LeBron has like 87 speed or something, etc etc. Too many obvious flaws.

[NO-KG-AI]

I've never missed as hard on a guy becoming a star when I projected them not to, as I have on Steph Curry.

Steph Curry is what happens when you turn the 3pt slider up to 100, and it doesn't matter how you release the shot, it just goes in


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

It occurred to me as basketball games have acknowledge an inability to show Curry's full abilities that probably the answer is that Curry should be given shooting abilities that are greater than 100, as the whole issue is that Curry is totally off-the-charts compared to what we thought humans could do.

(Of course long-term, the scale simply needs to be adjusted as at this point both Steph & Klay are off the charts. So insane the way they showed up on the same team.)

Yea, I addressed the flaw in the attributes a long time ago when guys were getting 99's, and you couldn't make the GOATs better than them, because they already capped out the system. Steph took it to a whole new level though.

My post was about the gameplay and difficulty sliders though. If you set the 3 point slider to 100, even Shaq will make every 3 that isn't directly blocked

[RSCD3_]

Interesting Info about Curry in the clutch this playoffs

Steph Curry in clutch situations in the 2016 playoffs: 43 points, 14-22 FG, 9-12 on 3 pointers in 22 minutes. 87.3 true shooting percentage

Via Reddit vis a vi Nba.com

[Doctor MJ]

It seems like the only way GS and Curry can redeem themselves is if they win the next 3 games and pull off the comeback. Not only that, Curry would need to play awesome.

If that happens (which I don't think will btw), does Curry jump back into GOAT peak conversation (aka top 10 or so)? I mean, wouldn't it be pretty much exactly the same situation that 2013 LeBron went through in the Finals? And he's almost universally in the top 3-5 GOAT peak conversation, if not the GOAT for some.

Called it. Well, not really, since I definitely expressed my doubts lol.

Last 3 games for Curry: 33/8/7, 65% TS, 127 ORating

Unfortunately, I just can't have him in the GOAT peak discussion with the missed games. But he's been great in the games he has played.

Curry for the series (7 games): 28/6/6, 61% TS, 113 ORating

That's very impressive stuff going up against this level of defense. If you had to come up with a defense to counter the Warriors, this OKC team would have been it.

One thing your post brings to mind - not saying you're saying this, just something on my mind -

Those looking to quibble with Curry's performance in the last series are pointing to Klay saving him. When you look at the numbers it's pretty ridiculous.

For the series Curry scored more, did so more efficiently, and in addition to more assists (to be expect) got more rebounds and "stocks".

In Klay's big game (Game 6) he scored 40 points, but he basically didn't make a dent any other way on the box score. Meanwhile Curry in his "weak" performance went for 31/10/9 on quite good efficiency.

I'm all for praising Klay here, and yes, without Klay, GS loses, but there's really no GOAT competition in the history of the NBA that can actually look down on what Curry did in this series.

[tsherkin]

In Klay's big game (Game 6) he scored 40 points, but he basically didn't make a dent any other way on the box score. Meanwhile Curry in his "weak" performance went for 31/10/9 on quite good efficiency.

Didn't Steph also have 5 steals?

[Doctor MJ]

In Klay's big game (Game 6) he scored 40 points, but he basically didn't make a dent any other way on the box score. Meanwhile Curry in his "weak" performance went for 31/10/9 on quite good efficiency.

Didn't Steph also have 5 steals?

The box score says 2, but I'm with you actually, I could have sworn I saw Curry get more than that. Regardless, Curry was clearly "all over the place" in a way that was downright Westbrook-ian.

[tsherkin]

In Klay's big game (Game 6) he scored 40 points, but he basically didn't make a dent any other way on the box score. Meanwhile Curry in his "weak" performance went for 31/10/9 on quite good efficiency.

Didn't Steph also have 5 steals?

The box score says 2, but I'm with you actually, I could have sworn I saw Curry get more than that. Regardless, Curry was clearly "all over the place" in a way that was downright Westbrook-ian.

I'm sorry, it was actually the game BEFORE that, the one where he rocked 31/7/6 on 9/20, 3/8, 10/10, where he had the 5 steals.

But yes, he was getting deflections all over the place even during the near triple-double game as well.

[MyUniBroDavis]

In Klay's big game (Game 6) he scored 40 points, but he basically didn't make a dent any other way on the box score. Meanwhile Curry in his "weak" performance went for 31/10/9 on quite good efficiency.

Didn't Steph also have 5 steals?

The box score says 2, but I'm with you actually, I could have sworn I saw Curry get more than that. Regardless, Curry was clearly "all over the place" in a way that was downright Westbrook-ian.

I realize Westbrook's rebounds are more contested and meaningful, but he averaged 6.3 rebounds to Russell's 7.0, playing 2.4 less minutes. Westbrook averaged 2 offensive rebounds to curry's 0.6 though for obvious reasons.

On a sidenote, his defense got crazy when Russell laughed which was kinda funny. I still think he is an underrated defender, hustles and does that stuff.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Averaging 30-7.3-7.7 on games where he didn't play less minutes because of blowouts or injuries on roughly 60TS

Averaging 62.8TS for the playoffs not counting last second heaves.

[MyUniBroDavis]

On a sidenote, has anyone seen the-power?

[tsherkin]

On a sidenote, has anyone seen the-power?

Been a week or so since he logged in.

[Doctor MJ]

Didn't Steph also have 5 steals?

The box score says 2, but I'm with you actually, I could have sworn I saw Curry get more than that. Regardless, Curry was clearly "all over the place" in a way that was downright Westbrook-ian.

I realize Westbrook's rebounds are more contested and meaningful, but he averaged 6.3 rebounds to Russell's 7.0, playing 2.4 less minutes. Westbrook averaged 2 offensive rebounds to curry's 0.6 though for obvious reasons.

On a sidenote, his defense got crazy when Russell laughed which was kinda funny. I still think he is an underrated defender, hustles and does that stuff.

Well, he sure as hell brought it when his team needed him. If he can continue this in the next round, Cleveland's in trouble.

[MyUniBroDavis]

The box score says 2, but I'm with you actually, I could have sworn I saw Curry get more than that. Regardless, Curry was clearly "all over the place" in a way that was downright Westbrook-ian.

I realize Westbrook's rebounds are more contested and meaningful, but he averaged 6.3 rebounds to Russell's 7.0, playing 2.4 less minutes. Westbrook averaged 2 offensive rebounds to curry's 0.6 though for obvious reasons.

On a sidenote, his defense got crazy when Russell laughed which was kinda funny. I still think he is an underrated defender, hustles and does that stuff.

Well, he sure as hell brought it when his team needed him. If he can continue this in the next round, Cleveland's in trouble.

He has been steadily improving as the playoffs/injury heals on. I haven't followed the east much, but a quick look makes it seem like Cleveland is dominating with a 120/106 split, 118/101 vs Toronto, even though that went to 6 (the basketball team laughed at that one Canadian guy lol)

Then again, I'm still pretty sure I'd take the Warriors in 6 regardless. Westbrook was 8/25 with him as the primary defender through game 5. Synergy said that players are 20/75 or something (2666666 or 2777777 percent I can't remember) with him as the primary play type defender which was impressive, especially considering the game 3-4 disasters,