The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5)

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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#481 » by nzahir » Mon Aug 3, 2020 4:27 pm

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I would expect the Lakers to win but an upset would not surprise me one bit. The Lakers have role players who look content and high off their team success. They will cruise into the postseason where they will face a hungry team that has been clawing for their playoff life since entering the bubble.

Against the wrong team (Blazers) that could be a recipe for failure.


I don't expect the Blazers to win but I do expect multiple elongated series like the 2008 Celtics have faced.

The Lakers on paper have the most talent in the league but then you realize only two players on the whole roster played in the playoffs last season. A complete wild card team, imo.

This is news to me

LAC and PHI have more talent

We have 2 top 7 guys for sure. After Lebron and AD, who is our 3rd best guy?

You would think it would be Kuzma or DG before the season started. Kuzma has been bad, but showing good signs in this bubble and is healthier finally. DG has been up and down all year and has now been disappointing.

KCP started out like ****, then became maybe our 3rd best guy for a while (but this changes nightly), and now he is reversing

Dwight and Mcgee have been solid, but up and down as well and they clog spacing with Lebron and AD at the 3 and 4.

AC is finally getting more time, need him to keep hitting shots.

Dion is a huge pickup for us imo, finally someone who can create for himself and others and even shoot and defend

Kieff can be useful if he is hitting shots, but he has yet to with us

Then we have guys like JR, Cook, Rondo...yea
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#482 » by Joey Wheeler » Mon Aug 3, 2020 5:27 pm

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MyUniBroDavis wrote:Didnt watch the rockets game, but the buckd went 9/35 from three and giannis played 33 minutes, and the turnover disparity was insane, granted harden and westbroik both played under 40 (harden only 34) but idk. Im just not that afraid of houstan, their main problem's gonna be on the glass and their usual solution is to play bigs off the court but they cant do that against AD

Alot of things had to go wrong in our loss against them and we can make more adjustments than they can, and im pretty sure vogel can make them

One of the rockets things is wearing down an opponent, but with westbrook and harden both taking an absurd load i doubt they can do that for 7 games (well act idk for westbrook lol but energized harden is scarier)

I feel alot of what the rockets do is do something ur not used to and idk how that pans out when someone, you know, gets used to them


It doesn't matter if you're used to it or not. With 4 shooters on the floor, there's absolutely no stopping the ferocity of Westbrook's drives and he's one of the best players ever at finding shooters after driving into the paint. This is a sure fire formula for the Rockets to get consistently great looks from 3.

Then you have Harden half court ISOs, they're deadly, they put players in foul trouble and just like with Westbrook if you overcommit to stopping him he has the ability to find open shooters at will. There's no stopping the Rockets from getting consistent strong looks from 3; if their role guys are making them at a high rate, they'll be a massive problem for anyone.

While they can't indeed play AD off the court, they can seriously mitigate his defensive impact. I can see AD getting into serious foul trouble in some games of that series; a lot of the time he'll be protecting the rim alone against Westbrook running at him with a full head of steam or switched on to Harden at the 3-point line


I mean AD is the kind of center they specifically dont wanna go against lol, he might not have his usual rim protecting defensive impact but the idea is they play off centers and make teams play in a way that makes them uncomfortable, whereas all they do is force LA to put in their best lineup (AD at the 5) while stull having a huge rebound disadvantage over a series

Also, closing out on threes and defensive mobility is one of davis's strengths, not one of his weaknesses, unlike other bigs. If davis can play aggressive on the boards I doubt the rockets are a big threat


That's the thing though, there seems to be no formula to defend the Rockets. AD will have to be everywhere at the same time; if you pack the pain, you leave their shooters open; if you don't pack the paint Harden and especially Westbrook will destroy you.

For the record, I believe Davis is a clearly superior defensive and overall player to Giannis, but last night how even a very strong Bucks defense led by Giannis couldn't really stop the Rockets from generating quality 3-point looks at will. I don't necessarily expect AD to be much more successful. I think the main issue for the Lakers is they don't really have anyone who can contain Westbrook, his first step and explosion are too much and once you let him gain a head of steam you're in big trouble. Harden in isolation will of course also very extremely hard to contain. And those are the two main sources of all the quality 3s the Rockets get.

On the flip side, Lebron and AD will feast on the Rockets' lack of rim protection for sure, but I think the Lakers risk running into a math problem where they're scoring 2s and the Rockets are scoring 3s. Neither Lebron or AD are great 3-point shooters and the roster in general isn't really built to withstand the kind of 3-point barrage the Rockets have the potential to put on them on a great night.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#483 » by MyUniBroDavis » Mon Aug 3, 2020 6:33 pm

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It doesn't matter if you're used to it or not. With 4 shooters on the floor, there's absolutely no stopping the ferocity of Westbrook's drives and he's one of the best players ever at finding shooters after driving into the paint. This is a sure fire formula for the Rockets to get consistently great looks from 3.

Then you have Harden half court ISOs, they're deadly, they put players in foul trouble and just like with Westbrook if you overcommit to stopping him he has the ability to find open shooters at will. There's no stopping the Rockets from getting consistent strong looks from 3; if their role guys are making them at a high rate, they'll be a massive problem for anyone.

While they can't indeed play AD off the court, they can seriously mitigate his defensive impact. I can see AD getting into serious foul trouble in some games of that series; a lot of the time he'll be protecting the rim alone against Westbrook running at him with a full head of steam or switched on to Harden at the 3-point line


I mean AD is the kind of center they specifically dont wanna go against lol, he might not have his usual rim protecting defensive impact but the idea is they play off centers and make teams play in a way that makes them uncomfortable, whereas all they do is force LA to put in their best lineup (AD at the 5) while stull having a huge rebound disadvantage over a series

Also, closing out on threes and defensive mobility is one of davis's strengths, not one of his weaknesses, unlike other bigs. If davis can play aggressive on the boards I doubt the rockets are a big threat


That's the thing though, there seems to be no formula to defend the Rockets. AD will have to be everywhere at the same time; if you pack the pain, you leave their shooters open; if you don't pack the paint Harden and especially Westbrook will destroy you.

For the record, I believe Davis is a clearly superior defensive and overall player to Giannis, but last night how even a very strong Bucks defense led by Giannis couldn't really stop the Rockets from generating quality 3-point looks at will. I don't necessarily expect AD to be much more successful. I think the main issue for the Lakers is they don't really have anyone who can contain Westbrook, his first step and explosion are too much and once you let him gain a head of steam you're in big trouble. Harden in isolation will of course also very extremely hard to contain. And those are the two main sources of all the quality 3s the Rockets get.

On the flip side, Lebron and AD will feast on the Rockets' lack of rim protection for sure, but I think the Lakers risk running into a math problem where they're scoring 2s and the Rockets are scoring 3s. Neither Lebron or AD are great 3-point shooters and the roster in general isn't really built to withstand the kind of 3-point barrage the Rockets have the potential to put on them on a great night.


I get what ur saying, but the thing about the rockets is that theres a direct tradeoff for having pretty much 0 rim protection, and it goes beyond 2s vs 3s

Threes are more volatile that twos over a series, you can shoot anywhere from 20-50% in a game. The rockets themselves average 35% from three since the capela trade which isnt anything special, its more they take so much. 2s otoh are much more reliable

They sacrifice rim protection, beyind just size they literally dont have rim protection, and More importantly rebounding, and they try to work around this by playing centers off the court but they cant do that to AD

The bucks win is impressive but the bucks were hardly great, and None of them played above 34 minutes (harden played 34 minutes but the other guys played their usual minutes), the bucks were off from three, and the rockets hit 27/31 fts and only had 9 turnovers to the bucks 22.

Lopez is a great defender but he cant guard the perimeter, unlike AD. They beat us in the boards last time but that was prolly a freak game since they somehow were getting everything. Our advantage on the glass and the fact that AD can stay on the floor as a 5 and still provide that rebounding advantage is huge (lopez is great but he cant guard perimeters like AD, but he was still effective it seems)

We cant play dwight or javale i agree

The rockets obv can win through going nuclear but they havent in like 4 years, and as much as it was against the warriors, their defense is what stepped up in the playoffs, their offense kinda regressed.

Its not as if theyve been unbeatable anyway, theyre 13-6, off rtg vs def rtg if 115 to 113 ish. Theyve had good wins, but some bad losses too
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#484 » by MyUniBroDavis » Mon Aug 3, 2020 6:50 pm

Greyhound wrote:I said bot because I found it to be less abrasive. What I wanted to say was Russian troll, but I will refrain from that accusation.

“LMFAO”


Should i be mature like joey and not respond, yeah

Do i feel less ashamed about responding when im a risinf junior in USC and gettinng called a russian troll for saying lol by someone who seems to be the real life version of the simpson old dude yelling at a cloud

Yup


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If lakers win;
Print.ln("Damn guys lebrons looking spry out there, really strong, how old is this man, 35? Damn. More like 25 and by 25 i mean 25 miles per hour goddamn. His defense is looking perfect this lakers team is unbeatable, AD looks better than ever! Easy championship, no one can stop zero dark thirty)
Else if;
Print.ln("hes 35 hes slowing down but its painful to watch. Hes so slow now AD doesnt know how to post up, JR somehow ended up in Indonesia and Dion is still eating brownies he snuck in AND HE GOT KUZMA TO DO IT TOO, not to mention howard stole everyones mask and javale coauthored a book with kyrie! Swept by the spurs first round, no, maybe theyll disband because theyre just pathetic and shouldnt ever play bball again smh.")


On a real, lebrons ramping up u can kinda tell hes getting used to it on offense. Theyre gonna run AD at the 5 more in the playoffs, but I def wonder how theyre gonna run it. AD at the 5 gives both AD and lebron way more space but you get three options

More spaced out AD action (preferably with bron)
More spaced out lebron drives
More spaced out AD 1v1

You can kinda tell which ones would be the best, i hope AD doesnt try to iso too much. If he played like pels davis itd be a wrap
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#485 » by Dupp » Mon Aug 3, 2020 8:30 pm

Yeah blazers have 0 chance why is even I discussion
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The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#486 » by Greyhound » Mon Aug 3, 2020 11:07 pm

Dupp wrote:Yeah blazers have 0 chance why is even I discussion

I expect the Lakers to win (as does most everyone), but to say the Blazers have no chance is nonsensical.

They have a shot (a slim one), whether the lot of you choose to believe it or not.

I am a patient man. If they see the Blazers it will not be some walk in the park.

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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#487 » by nzahir » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:26 am

Why doesn't Lebron just post more often?
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#488 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:28 am

Two big lineups are no good. No space for LeBron to get in the paint, and they aren't even helping them at the rim or on the boards yet. Kieff is probably going to end up in the starting line up at some point.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#489 » by nzahir » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:29 am

MisterHibachi wrote:Two big lineups are no good. No space for LeBron to get in the paint, and they aren't even helping them at the rim or on the boards yet. Kieff is probably going to end up in the starting line up at some point.

Mcgee has been putrid all year long at offensive boards, really wish he wouldn't get boxed out so easily
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Post#490 » by nzahir » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:32 am

Here we go again with the bricking open 3s
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Post#491 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:37 am

Nice run without 2 bigs, what a surprise
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Post#492 » by eminence » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:40 am

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Post#493 » by KTM_2813 » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:45 am

Why is Smith playing actual minutes? I’m so confused by these lineups lol
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Post#494 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:51 am

LeBron's assists have a very disrespectful feel to them today.
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Post#495 » by Greyhound » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:55 am

Dwight Howard has arrived to the bubble. Good stuff.
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Post#496 » by Greyhound » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:57 am

KTM_2813 wrote:Why is Smith playing actual minutes? I’m so confused by these lineups lol

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Post#497 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:05 am

Not sure why Kieff isn't getting any minutes.
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Post#498 » by JLei » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:15 am

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KTM_2813 wrote:Why is Smith playing actual minutes? I’m so confused by these lineups lol

Great question.


Because the shooting has been pathetic the entire bubble besides Kuzma.

A lot of what's going on at the rim with Lebron is the floor isn't spaced and no one is making anything off his creation. So it remains super cramped.

And this is a long term problem right now. If no one can shoot and space the floor, Lakers will lose.
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Post#499 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:19 am

Lakers really susceptible to attacking guards without Bradley. Mitchell getting whatever he wants. Bad sign for a Portland/OKC series.

Not sure what's happening with these rotations, Cook, Dudley, JR, no Kieff? Vogel seems he's pretty much experimenting.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 5) 

Post#500 » by Greyhound » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:20 am

Vogel is getting a little too cute with these lineups.
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