2022-23 NBA Season Discussion

[CKRT]

The Nuggets ability to execute late game is insane.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Rip Miami three point shooting lol

[GSP]

Shades of Kobe 4th quarter mastery when Shaq was in foul trouble from Murray this game

[GSP]

Can Denver afford to keep Brown w/ new Cba? Doesnt seem possible Jokic, Murray, Gordon, Mpj, Kcp contracts

[GSP]

Rip Miami three point shooting lol

Caleb Martin deadass averaging 7 Ppg on .435ts after turning into prime Mitch Richmond against us im sick

[rk2023]

What a game it was from Gordon and Brown, it’s a wings’ league around the corners and as you go past the team-building foundations. Next men up tonight, and they stepped up hugely!

[70sFan]

Who said you can't have a post player lead a team to a title?

Go back to 2016-19 period and find so many posts about how post game is extinct and the future of basketball is all about shooting guards (not the position, the skill). You have been here for a year, I have been here for almost a decade.

Nah I think the more nuanced takes about bigs and post play at the time centered around how well the big can punish switches on the block and the offensive glass. I agree that I don't think it was seen as an integral part of winning compared to shooting the way it was back in the day, but I can't really say I think that Jokic's post play matters more than the Nuggets' overall shotmaking right now either.

I don't think most of these old takes were nuanced at all, that's the point.

I also don't agree that the Nuggets dominates Miami because of their shotmaking, they simply get whatever they want on offense most times when they involve Jokic in possession.

[Peregrine01]

Aside from that egregious flop to fish for Jokic's 5th foul, much respect to Bam. He's battling Jokic out there, giving up a lot of size and playing 40+ minutes. Just unreal conditioning. We saw both Bron and AD get worn out from having to wrestle with Jokic for stretches in the game while Bam is doing this pretty much the whole game.

I thought the way Miami played in the first half was unsustainable, going balls to the wall on every possession, and the Nuggets were still always in the lead. Looks like Miami did wear down toward the end of the game where every shot was short and they couldn't extend the lead with Jokic missing half of the 4th quarter. They battled as hard as they could but just wasn't enough. Unbelievable franchise to get to where they are.

[Statlanta]

I’m ready for the next generation of the NBA. LeBron James gave the East to Tatum to focus on his boys but Curry and Durant need to give up the West to one more non-Denver team

[Heej]

Go back to 2016-19 period and find so many posts about how post game is extinct and the future of basketball is all about shooting guards (not the position, the skill). You have been here for a year, I have been here for almost a decade.

Nah I think the more nuanced takes about bigs and post play at the time centered around how well the big can punish switches on the block and the offensive glass. I agree that I don't think it was seen as an integral part of winning compared to shooting the way it was back in the day, but I can't really say I think that Jokic's post play matters more than the Nuggets' overall shotmaking right now either.

I don't think most of these old takes were nuanced at all, that's the point.

I also don't agree that the Nuggets dominates Miami because of their shotmaking, they simply get whatever they want on offense most times when they involve Jokic in possession.

Yea and Jokic isn't posting up every possession. Also they're dominating because of their shotmaking in non-Jokic minutes. The teams in this league can't even win the minutes where Jokic sits lol

Also I find your argument dreadfully reductive. LeBron was winning just fine as a "post player" by this definition. Most of the rhetoric back then focused on plodding bigs that can only grind out points in the post and not offering much else in terms of playmaking or perimeter defense basically being extinct as a title leading option. Which I still find to be true.

And if you're arguing against the ghosts of GB normies past then what's the point. The people that are really interested in the Xs and Os of ball didn't take the 3pt shooting revolution to be the death knell for bigs. Just that the same important qualities were going to have to be expressed under different circumstances

[70sFan]

Yea and Jokic isn't posting up every possession.

No player in NBA history is posting up every possession, what kind of strawman is this?

Also they're dominating because of their shotmaking in non-Jokic minutes. The teams in this league can't even win the minutes where Jokic sits lol

Of course you need to have an elite team to win the title, but that's not related to our topic.

Also I find your argument dreadfully reductive. LeBron was winning just fine as a "post player" by this definition. Most of the rhetoric back then focused on plodding bigs that can only grind out points in the post and not offering much else in terms of playmaking or perimeter defense basically being extinct as a title leading option. Which I still find to be true.

No, these old arguments were dreadfully reductive. I just remind them for all here. Sorry, but nobody with the least amount of basketball knowledge would think that "plodding bigs that can only grind out points in the post and not offering much else in terms of playmaking or perimeter defense" can lead you to the title. It was never the case, such players never existed as the best players in the world.

If you think that I'm arguing that Jokic proves you can win the title with Al Jefferson or Bryant Reeves as your best player, then you either don't remember these arguments or try to manipulate my point intentionally.

[iggymcfrack]

I’m ready for the next generation of the NBA. LeBron James gave the East to Tatum to focus on his boys but Curry and Durant need to give up the West to one more non-Denver team

As a Nuggets fan, Phoenix and Golden State don’t scare me at all next year. The only team in the West I think would actually be scary if fully healthy is New Orleans. They were the 1 seed when they were healthy this season, they’re still very young, they have tons of picks to package for one more piece, and if somehow Zion could play 60 games + a healthy playoffs, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were the best team in the league.

[HeartBreakKid]

I’m ready for the next generation of the NBA. LeBron James gave the East to Tatum to focus on his boys but Curry and Durant need to give up the West to one more non-Denver team

As a Nuggets fan, Phoenix and Golden State don’t scare me at all next year. The only team in the West I think would actually be scary if fully healthy is New Orleans. They were the 1 seed when they were healthy this season, they’re still very young, they have tons of picks to package for one more piece, and if somehow Zion could play 60 games + a healthy playoffs, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were the best team in the league.

If the hype is real then the Spurs are coming for dat ass

[Lou Fan]

One Serbian Djoker just made history today we'll see if the NBA's Joker can do it tomorrow night

[Heej]

Yea and Jokic isn't posting up every possession.

No player in NBA history is posting up every possession, what kind of strawman is this?

Also they're dominating because of their shotmaking in non-Jokic minutes. The teams in this league can't even win the minutes where Jokic sits lol

Of course you need to have an elite team to win the title, but that's not related to our topic.

Also I find your argument dreadfully reductive. LeBron was winning just fine as a "post player" by this definition. Most of the rhetoric back then focused on plodding bigs that can only grind out points in the post and not offering much else in terms of playmaking or perimeter defense basically being extinct as a title leading option. Which I still find to be true.

No, these old arguments were dreadfully reductive. I just remind them for all here. Sorry, but nobody with the least amount of basketball knowledge would think that "plodding bigs that can only grind out points in the post and not offering much else in terms of playmaking or perimeter defense" can lead you to the title. It was never the case, such players never existed as the best players in the world.

If you think that I'm arguing that Jokic proves you can win the title with Al Jefferson or Bryant Reeves as your best player, then you either don't remember these arguments or try to manipulate my point intentionally.

Jokic had a 25% post up frequency this year. This is normal for a center and nothing truly outlandish. Your argument is that the nuggets dominate because Jokic controls the offense and I'm pointing out that it doesn't mean he's posting up all the time while doing so. Stop crying about strawmen and try to recall the line of reasoning we were actually trying to unpack, thanks.

And once again you're failing to realize the point that you're having an imaginary argument with the worst takes about postups known to man from years past. If the level of discourse you're aspiring to is Twitter casual level, then have at it. But actual knowledgeable basketball fans have always known where post play has had its place even in the midst of small-ball hysteria. Especially considering how many wings and perimeter players were soaking up possessions on the block.

And why exactly do you feel the need to put words in my mouth talking about Al Jefferson LMFAO. The point is that these takes about the demise of the postup were seen to be as dumb then as they are now. Especially given the fact that LeBron was dominating from the post for years at that point and the literal staple of the Warriors' offense was their pinch post play lol.

[GSP]

Jerry West is gonna be on Paul Georges pod today thats so cool i cant even remember a proper Jerry West interview

[70sFan]

Your argument is that the nuggets dominate because Jokic controls the offense and I'm pointing out that it doesn't mean he's posting up all the time while doing so. Stop crying about strawmen and try to recall the line of reasoning we were actually trying to unpack, thanks.

Show me when I said it's because he plays in the post all the time.

And once again you're failing to realize the point that you're having an imaginary argument with the worst takes about postups known to man from years past. If the level of discourse you're aspiring to is Twitter casual level, then have at it. But actual knowledgeable basketball fans have always known where post play has had its place even in the midst of small-ball hysteria. Especially considering how many wings and perimeter players were soaking up possessions on the block.

These takes were all over here, not on Twitter. Anyway, I don't think there discussion is productive anymore.

[iggymcfrack]

I’m ready for the next generation of the NBA. LeBron James gave the East to Tatum to focus on his boys but Curry and Durant need to give up the West to one more non-Denver team

As a Nuggets fan, Phoenix and Golden State don’t scare me at all next year. The only team in the West I think would actually be scary if fully healthy is New Orleans. They were the 1 seed when they were healthy this season, they’re still very young, they have tons of picks to package for one more piece, and if somehow Zion could play 60 games + a healthy playoffs, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were the best team in the league.

If the hype is real then the Spurs are coming for dat ass

They might be the team with the third most ring equity for the next decade behind Denver and New Orleans, but I’m not buying them even making the playoffs next year. What do they have past Wemby? LeBron missed the playoffs Year 1. So did Luka. Jordan made it, but only because 38-44 would get you in back then with fewer teams in the league. Usually for a player to make an immediate turnaround for a franchise in his rookie year, there needs to be another key piece or two already alongside him. With how deep the West is right now, even making the play-in could be difficult.

[HeartBreakKid]

As a Nuggets fan, Phoenix and Golden State don’t scare me at all next year. The only team in the West I think would actually be scary if fully healthy is New Orleans. They were the 1 seed when they were healthy this season, they’re still very young, they have tons of picks to package for one more piece, and if somehow Zion could play 60 games + a healthy playoffs, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were the best team in the league.

If the hype is real then the Spurs are coming for dat ass

They might be the team with the third most ring equity for the next decade behind Denver and New Orleans, but I’m not buying them even making the playoffs next year. What do they have past Wemby? LeBron missed the playoffs Year 1. So did Luka. Jordan made it, but only because 38-44 would get you in back then with fewer teams in the league. Usually for a player to make an immediate turnaround for a franchise in his rookie year, there needs to be another key piece or two already alongside him. With how deep the West is right now, even making the play-in could be difficult.

I missed the part where you meant next year specifically. Thought you meant more in the general nearish future.

[OhayoKD]

Your argument is that the nuggets dominate because Jokic controls the offense and I'm pointing out that it doesn't mean he's posting up all the time while doing so. Stop crying about strawmen and try to recall the line of reasoning we were actually trying to unpack, thanks.

Show me when I said it's because he plays in the post all the time.

And once again you're failing to realize the point that you're having an imaginary argument with the worst takes about postups known to man from years past. If the level of discourse you're aspiring to is Twitter casual level, then have at it. But actual knowledgeable basketball fans have always known where post play has had its place even in the midst of small-ball hysteria. Especially considering how many wings and perimeter players were soaking up possessions on the block.

These takes were all over here, not on Twitter. Anyway, I don't think there discussion is productive anymore.

Productive is when we start a "i told you so" to nameless posters from several years back for posts you haven't provided the content of or the context for