2022-23 NBA Season Discussion

OhayoKD · Post #5021 » by **OhayoKD** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:02 am

bam wants that top 5 poy vote

RCM88x · Post #5022 » by **RCM88x** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:12 am

Officiating in this game so far has certainly been interesting

GSP · Post #5023 » by **GSP** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:15 am

Has there ever been a perimeter player with worse passing than Mpj? Its honestly unbelievable

therealbig3 · Post #5024 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:50 am

Why are we so convinced that Butler is the Heat's best player again? Why do we just dismiss Bam, who's a 20 ppg scorer in his own right, and is one of the best defenders in the league, as well as one of the best passing bigs in the league? How are we so convinced that Butler is better than a player like that, especially with how inconsistent offensively Butler is?

And I know for damn sure who's looked like more of an MVP for the Heat this series, and it ain't Butler, not even close. Has Butler even been the best player for the Heat in either of the last two rounds? Caleb Martin pretty clearly outplayed him in the last round too, and if we're talking overall, Tatum thoroughly outclassed him in the last round too until he got hurt.

Hope this puts the "playoff Jimmy" narrative to bed. He's a good player, has some big time playoff performances, but he's also got plenty of duds...just like any "good" player will have.

AEnigma · Post #5025 » by **AEnigma** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:53 am

More relevant to the top 100, but after Nash, Paul, Stockton, and Kidd, I am not sure any point guard has been as good at age 37 as Kyle Lowry.

GSP · Post #5026 » by **GSP** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:08 am

AEnigma wrote:More relevant to the top 100, but after Nash, Paul, Stockton, and Kidd, I am not sure any point guard has been as good at age 37 as Kyle Lowry.

I mean how many point guards ever made it to 37yo and still in Nba? Bar isnt high :lol:

eminence · Post #5027 » by **eminence** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:15 am

GSP wrote:
AEnigma wrote:More relevant to the top 100, but after Nash, Paul, Stockton, and Kidd, I am not sure any point guard has been as good at age 37 as Kyle Lowry.

I mean how many point guards ever made it to 37yo and still in Nba? Bar isnt high

Only other guys I can think of off the top who were real contributors semi-recently were '06 Payton and later career Fisher.

RCM88x · Post #5028 » by **RCM88x** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:50 am

Lmao, what's the point of having a review system

Post #5029 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:51 am

Amazingly bad call

HeartBreakKid · Post #5030 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:53 am

Refs probably said Butler was the GOAT and all that on the internet couple weeks back and trying to save face with those calls

The-Power · Post #5031 » by **The-Power** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:04 am

Congrats Denver! Well deserved, and I'm happy for them!

OhayoKD · Post #5032 » by **OhayoKD** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:04 am

Jokic utterly dominant in the 2nd half. Nice to see a 1st-time champion, though that might be the last hurrah for Butler/Bam

ronnymac2 · Post #5033 » by **ronnymac2** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:05 am

Best game of the year.

Congrats to Denver. They earned that championship.

therealbig3 · Post #5034 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:08 am

Jokic just capped off imo a season that's on par with anything LeBron or Jordan ever did. He's that freakin' good.

eminence · Post #5035 » by **eminence** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:11 am

eminence wrote:My guess is Nuggets in 5.

Easy money.

And strong work by the Nuggets closing out. Didn't wind up feeling seriously challenged all playoffs, we'll see how much they can bring back and if they can really start the climb to dynasty.

rk2023 · Post #5036 » by **rk2023** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:12 am

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nikola-jokic-playoff-stats-2023

This is History, we are witnessing history right now!

ceiling raiser · Post #5037 » by **ceiling raiser** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:13 am

Jokic is a monster. Amazing seeing the game evolve in real time before our eyes.

Post #5038 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:34 am

Jokic demolished the Heat in ways that all these other "stars" with pretty numbers through fouls and dunks, and flashy step back J's just couldn't manage to do at all. The gap between he and whoever is #2 is massive right now.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #5039 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:05 am

therealbig3 wrote:Why are we so convinced that Butler is the Heat's best player again? Why do we just dismiss Bam, who's a 20 ppg scorer in his own right, and is one of the best defenders in the league, as well as one of the best passing bigs in the league? How are we so convinced that Butler is better than a player like that, especially with how inconsistent offensively Butler is?

And I know for damn sure who's looked like more of an MVP for the Heat this series, and it ain't Butler, not even close. Has Butler even been the best player for the Heat in either of the last two rounds? Caleb Martin pretty clearly outplayed him in the last round too, and if we're talking overall, Tatum thoroughly outclassed him in the last round too until he got hurt.

Hope this puts the "playoff Jimmy" narrative to bed. He's a good player, has some big time playoff performances, but he's also got plenty of duds...just like any "good" player will have.

Because there's no argument for Bam being better? All the metrics support Butler.

So you bring up Tatum's injury and ignore Butler's injury? Butler was pretty poor in the finals despite likely being limited a bit, but they don't get to the finals without his play.

If he didn't go supernova vs the Bucks, they likely get eliminated in the 1st round.

eminence · Post #5040 » by **eminence** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:16 am

TheGOATRises007 wrote:
therealbig3 wrote:Why are we so convinced that Butler is the Heat's best player again? Why do we just dismiss Bam, who's a 20 ppg scorer in his own right, and is one of the best defenders in the league, as well as one of the best passing bigs in the league? How are we so convinced that Butler is better than a player like that, especially with how inconsistent offensively Butler is?

And I know for damn sure who's looked like more of an MVP for the Heat this series, and it ain't Butler, not even close. Has Butler even been the best player for the Heat in either of the last two rounds? Caleb Martin pretty clearly outplayed him in the last round too, and if we're talking overall, Tatum thoroughly outclassed him in the last round too until he got hurt.

Hope this puts the "playoff Jimmy" narrative to bed. He's a good player, has some big time playoff performances, but he's also got plenty of duds...just like any "good" player will have.

Because there's no argument for Bam being better? All the metrics support Butler.

So you bring up Tatum's injury and ignore Butler's injury? Butler was pretty poor in the finals despite likely being limited a bit, but they don't get to the finals without his play.

If he didn't go supernova vs the Bucks, they likely get eliminated in the 1st round.

Jimmy has the big box-scores and the memorable games, but the longer term impact type data does seem to point to Jimmy/Bam being approximate equals on the Heat during their time together.