Stalwart wrote:AEnigma wrote:Stalwart wrote:Its a lot easier to adapt to a guy who can do anything in any situation from anywhere in the floor whenever you need him to do it. That allows him to adapt his game around what his teammates do well.
Jordan did not adapt his game. He was never paired with a scorer on par with any of the scorers you harp on Lebron for minimising. Given his obsession with scoring, that probably would not have gone well.
He gave up the basketball and utilized his teammates.
No, that is what Lebron did. Jordan’s teammates just got better with time.
He lowered is PPG about 5pts and his stopped trying to be a one man show. He did this specifically so that his teammates would be in position to help him in the playoffs.
He scored at the same rate, but the league slowed down and he played less minutes as the team improved, thus reducing his raw points per game. Once again, pure narrativising, nothing real.
Lebron should do that.
He demonstrably did. Incredibly hilarious how all your narratives for Jordan apply better to Lebron.
Except Lebron was the one who adapted all of that. Worth repeating: are you interested in real basketball, or just Jordan hagiography.
He didnt develop those things to the extent that Bosh, Wade, and Love could then play to their strengths.
Once again, what are those strengths outside of scoring.
Wouldnt it have been nice if Lebron already had those things and at an elite level like Jordan did?
It would have been nice if his teammates did not need him to change anything, like Jordan’s.
Love could then actually play in the high post where he excelled at.
Based on what. How is Love high post offence contributing to a championship.
Wade wouldnt have to pull his game back.
Maybe Lebron should have been a massively worse player and just been Scottie Pippen instead. This is rubbish logic.
Bosh wouldnt have to reinvent himself.
So he would be a worse player?
Kyrie could run a real offense like he wanted to.
Oh look, yet another instance of you having zero clue what you are talking about. Kyrie did. It worked with Lebron there. Has never worked in any other capacity.
How are they “uncomfortable” outside of lowered primacy. How is Lebron comfortable in developing a shot, a post game, and offball play.
Well, I think its obvious. But youll have to ask Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade what exactly they meant when they made those statements. Wade also made this statement:
Wade spoke to the media Thursday ahead of his Friday matchup against Cleveland, and he acknowledged that he sacrificed and changed his game more to make the “Big 3” happen in Miami than James.
He said via ESPN:
“I definitely changed mine more. It’s not even a conversation. There’s no conversation to have. I definitely had to change mine more.”
And absolutely zero specifics, imagine that.
Why did Wade have to change his game so much more than Lebron?
He sacrificed more in the sense it was his team and he was a top ppg leader, but you have no ability to say what he actually changed outside of reducing his primacy.
Remember in the 2011 Finals is was Lebron that cost them that championship not Wade. It was Lebron who underperformed and got lost in the offense when Wade was dominating. Why can't Lebron maintain his own impact without diminishing Wade's?
Because unlike Jordan and Pippen their skillsets overlap. The same would be true with Jordan. Yet again you pretend this is not about offensive primacy when that is all it is.
Also love the citation to 2011 when that contrast with the following years is the best evidence why prioritising Lebron leads to winning. Imagine minimising Jordan. Imagine the world-class meltdown Jordan would have if he were ever minimised.
Why does Bosh have to reinvent himself playing next to Lebron?
To be a better player.
So many questions. So little answers.
Ignoring the answers being shoved in your face does not mean they are suddenly gone.
Jordan was a comparatively limited passer, was a comparatively limited shooter, had comparatively limited basketball intelligence, was a comparatively lower impact defender, had excessive intensity leading to burnouts, had poor health habits, was obsessed with being The Guy and the league’s highest volume scorer… He had plenty of weaknesses. However, his team and era allowed all of those weaknesses to be minimised.
Well thats flat out ridiculous.
Maybe try actual comparison instead of just reading player quotations.
Regardless, this “no weaknesses” standard has no real meaning behind it. Jerry West and Walt Frazier have “no weaknesses” by your standard of being able to do most “things” pretty well, but that does not make them better than Magic or Bird or Steph.
I never said it did. But having no weaknesses is better than having them.
Being outright better is even better.
